Spoon on Island 106

[RoddyFreeman]

I just returned from Panama City Beach. So apparently Chris Allen is gone and Spoon has moved to middays.

I've thought for a while that Island 106 was a really good-sounding CHR. I listened a lot to Kramer and thought he was good, especially considering his age and the short time he's been doing a morning show. And I thought Holly O'Conner did well on the show. And Kato has always sounded really good.

But Spoon in middays? Maybe it's temporary, but I don't think he'll cut it, and that's putting it kindly.

I noticed that Holly was also doing middays on The Wave and sounding good. To me, The Wave sounds really cheap--in programming and processing--but their ratings hold up well against Sunny 98.5.

 

[attackpoodle]

Have you read the Alabama board? May explain why there is trouble in paradise (PC)....Tragic is losing $$ by the hour, and somehow they are going to have to justify it to their investors...

 

[RoddyFreeman]

Have you read the Alabama board? May explain why there is trouble in paradise (PC)....Tragic is losing $$ by the hour, and somehow they are going to have to justify it to their investors...

I have. What's the deal with them? Their stations have good ratings but always seem to be in turmoil. If management is capable enough to get good ratings, it would seem they'd be able to handle the other aspects of operating their properties.

 

[attackpoodle]

I have. What's the deal with them? Their stations have good ratings but always seem to be in turmoil. If management is capable enough to get good ratings, it would seem they'd be able to handle the other aspects of operating their properties.

This is where you are mistaken, there is no management. There is dictatorship from afar. History has not been too good over the past few years, look at the ratings. WTVY held its own, but that is because of the staff, not management. Now the stafff is gone...

 

[whodouthinkur]

This is where you are mistaken, there is no management. There is dictatorship from afar. History has not been too good over the past few years, look at the ratings.

Hmmm...Doesn't sound much different than when they flew the Styles flag. Just instead of a nephew calling the shots from LA, it's JS calling the shots.

 

[Stewy]

This is where you are mistaken, there is no management. There is dictatorship from afar. History has not been too good over the past few years, look at the ratings.

Hmmm...Doesn't sound much different than when they flew the Styles flag. Just instead of a nephew calling the shots from LA, it's JS calling the shots.

 

[attackpoodle]

Whododontknowjack...nephew, what in the heck are you talking about? Nephew? Who's nephew?

 

[radioresearcher]

Whododontknowjack...nephew, what in the heck are you talking about? Nephew? Who's nephew?

I think that was when the cluster was #1 and beat CC with one less station they're referring to?

The cluster share in PC went from 22.5 to 32.7 in 18 months and 13.3 to 24.4 in Dothan.

Hmmm....

 

[whodouthinkur]

I think that was when the cluster was #1 and beat CC with one less station they're referring to?

The cluster share in PC went from 22.5 to 32.7 in 18 months and 13.3 to 24.4 in Dothan.

Hmmm....

Hmmmm...I think what you meant to say was: That was the book our CC friends would say was a fluke! :-*

 

[radioresearcher]

I think that was when the cluster was #1 and beat CC with one less station they're referring to?

The cluster share in PC went from 22.5 to 32.7 in 18 months and 13.3 to 24.4 in Dothan.

Hmmm....

Hmmmm...I think what you meant to say was: That was the book our CC friends would say was a fluke! :-*

Steady growth for 2 years was a fluke. WTVY from #9 to #1 in every demo over 18 months was a fluke. I think not.

 

[pnut rox]

Steady growth for 2 years was a fluke. WTVY from #9 to #1 in every demo over 18 months was a fluke. I think not.

I wouldn't brag too much on that, we all KNOW that during these 18 months, you and the company you worked for completely changed and destroyed another station in the cluster. If I want to dig back far enough on the boards you even admitted it! Most of the time I don't post in North Florida, but FACTS ARE FACTS and I believe in honest facts.

Sorry to hijack this post...I will step off my soapbox and go back to observing this board.

 

[whodouthinkur]

I think that was when the cluster was #1 and beat CC with one less station they're referring to?

The cluster share in PC went from 22.5 to 32.7 in 18 months and 13.3 to 24.4 in Dothan.

Hmmm....

Hmmmm...I think what you meant to say was: That was the book our CC friends would say was a fluke! :-*

Steady growth for 2 years was a fluke. WTVY from #9 to #1 in every demo over 18 months was a fluke. I think not.

Uh, do you get these numbers from the same fantasy land where you pull your Little Rock numbers from? Yeah, Styles PCB was #1...The same way you help beat the GR and the crew in Little Rock

Sure, WTVY was up. But only because the company took down its sister stations (and $$$ makers). Way to build a strong cluster! Where are TD and KS again??? :

 

[radioresearcher]

I think that was when the cluster was #1 and beat CC with one less station they're referring to?

The cluster share in PC went from 22.5 to 32.7 in 18 months and 13.3 to 24.4 in Dothan.

Hmmm....

Hmmmm...I think what you meant to say was: That was the book our CC friends would say was a fluke! :-*

Steady growth for 2 years was a fluke. WTVY from #9 to #1 in every demo over 18 months was a fluke. I think not.

Uh, do you get these numbers from the same fantasy land where you pull your Little Rock numbers from? Yeah, Styles PCB was #1...The same way you help beat the GR and the crew in Little Rock

Sure, WTVY was up. But only because the company took down its sister stations (and $$$ makers). Way to build a strong cluster! Where are TD and KS again??? :

TD and KS are doing just fine in their new ventures. Couldn't be better.

WTVY was up because it had a great staff who turned around a struggling station. The idea was to cut the Country stations down to 2.

WKMX (who was a competitor at the time) was No. 1 men 25-54 (no Hot AC should have those male numbers). We knew we could pull their male numbers with a Classic Rock/Hits station - which we did initially.

WTVY was then completely overhauled and made a great comeback thanks to Craig, Ms. Pollard, and a host of other people.

Little Rock was a great story - thanks for mentioning that and so have been Riverside, Medford, Twin Falls, Milwaukee, Shreveport, Mobile, and a few others.

And, for the record, KDAY had the highest cume in the stations 44 year history under Styles Media.

 

[radioresearcher]

Steady growth for 2 years was a fluke. WTVY from #9 to #1 in every demo over 18 months was a fluke. I think not.

I wouldn't brag too much on that, we all KNOW that during these 18 months, you and the company you worked for completely changed and destroyed another station in the cluster. If I want to dig back far enough on the boards you even admitted it! Most of the time I don't post in North Florida, but FACTS ARE FACTS and I believe in honest facts.

Sorry to hijack this post...I will step off my soapbox and go back to observing this board.

I think there may have been some mistakes made (but they eventually got corrected) ... and moving WKMX to Top 40 and WJRL to Adult Hits wound up being the right thing at the end - and we did that right before we left.

But the success of WTVY and the launch of WBBK did pretty well. 100.5 was a different story. That's a tough signal to make work.

 

[whodouthinkur]

TD and KS are doing just fine in their new ventures. Couldn't be better.

WTVY was up because it had a great staff who turned around a struggling station. The idea was to cut the Country stations down to 2.

WKMX (who was a competitor at the time) was No. 1 men 25-54 (no Hot AC should have those male numbers). We knew we could pull their male numbers with a Classic Rock/Hits station - which we did initially.

WTVY was then completely overhauled and made a great comeback thanks to Craig, Ms. Pollard, and a host of other people.

Little Rock was a great story - thanks for mentioning that and so have been Riverside, Medford, Twin Falls, Milwaukee, Shreveport, Mobile, and a few others.

And, for the record, KDAY had the highest cume in the stations 44 year history under Styles Media.

Glad to hear that. I always liked TD.

But, you my friend...Where to begin? I feel like I'm talking to a stop sign.

Let me get this straight. You're actually proud of your LR and Shreveport numbers? I guess some people believe if you repeat something enough, it makes it true.

KMX #1 in men? Not in any pre-Styles book.

Oh well, this is N florida...Where I am not...and you are not...so we'll leave it at that.

GR from LR says hello.

Now, on a north florida note...Anyone miss Petticoat Junction Amusement Park?

 

[radioresearcher]

TD and KS are doing just fine in their new ventures. Couldn't be better.

WTVY was up because it had a great staff who turned around a struggling station. The idea was to cut the Country stations down to 2.

WKMX (who was a competitor at the time) was No. 1 men 25-54 (no Hot AC should have those male numbers). We knew we could pull their male numbers with a Classic Rock/Hits station - which we did initially.

WTVY was then completely overhauled and made a great comeback thanks to Craig, Ms. Pollard, and a host of other people.

Little Rock was a great story - thanks for mentioning that and so have been Riverside, Medford, Twin Falls, Milwaukee, Shreveport, Mobile, and a few others.

And, for the record, KDAY had the highest cume in the stations 44 year history under Styles Media.

Glad to hear that. I always liked TD.

But, you my friend...Where to begin? I feel like I'm talking to a stop sign.

Let me get this straight. You're actually proud of your LR and Shreveport numbers? I guess some people believe if you repeat something enough, it makes it true.

KMX #1 in men? Not in any pre-Styles book.

Oh well, this is N florida...Where I am not...and you are not...so we'll leave it at that.

GR from LR says hello.

Now, on a north florida note...Anyone miss Petticoat Junction Amusement Park?

KMX was No. 1 in men pre-Styles...I don't have the numbers anymore - maybe they were No. 2 25-54 to DJR - but they had huge male numbers at one pre-Styles point.

In LR, KLEC was No. 11 when we started 18-34 and was No. 1 at one point. It faded once Archway bought it and then went away.

KHTE launched as Rhythmic and did very well ... At one point, they were No. 1 and No. 3 18-34 IIRC.

PG was a great programmer and isn't in the industry last I heard. He was terrific to work with. You can try to argue, I have the numbers somewhere.

Shreveport did well...cluster went up after we moved the furniture around.

 

[Stewy]

And, for the record, KDAY had the highest cume in the stations 44 year history under Styles Media.

researcher; I remember you and I having a conversation about cume/aqh and you said cume wasn't that important that everything (including) revenue revolved around aqh (to which I disagreed, need both strong). Now to support yourself you bring up cume success........either you've changed or you still speak from both sides of your mouth. I think whodo speaks accurately.

Anyway, good to here from you, hope you are well and I'm glad that TD and KS are doing well.

 

[radioresearcher]

And, for the record, KDAY had the highest cume in the stations 44 year history under Styles Media.

researcher; I remember you and I having a conversation about cume/aqh and you said cume wasn't that important that everything (including) revenue revolved around aqh (to which I disagreed, need both strong). Now to support yourself you bring up cume success........either you've changed or you still speak from both sides of your mouth. I think whodo speaks accurately.

Anyway, good to here from you, hope you are well and I'm glad that TD and KS are doing well.

Yes, TSL is important - but will you die without cume - and in PPM (where I have one market - just forget it) TSL is down to 2:15 for a good station. I think PPM is showing the truth - with so many other distractions and media - radio isn't what it used to be (but that's a reality).

We also had the best 18-34 KDAY share as well. However after Styles sold their shares of the company, KDAY's signal was improved by 70%, an investment in a huge morning show was made, a studio was built inside the facility, massive marketing was done, and a major competitor (KKBT) changed formats.

 

[whodouthinkur]

Researcher...and anyone else who's still paying attention. I've located the books...Fall 2004, Spring 2005, and Fall 2005. If you look at pages 18, 50, and 54...Or pull up all 3 books in PD Advantage...I think you'll see Stewy and I are the correct ones here about WKMX/Male vs Female numbers and who was really #1 F 25-54 and F 18-34.

Due to copyright and Radio-Info.com's policy, I can't post anything but I've given page numbers for those so inclined to research (no pun intended).

Thanks for playing...And now, back to Florida discussions...

 

[radioresearcher]

Researcher...and anyone else who's still paying attention. I've located the books...Fall 2004, Spring 2005, and Fall 2005. If you look at pages 18, 50, and 54...Or pull up all 3 books in PD Advantage...I think you'll see Stewy and I are the correct ones here about WKMX/Male vs Female numbers and who was really #1 F 25-54 and F 18-34.

Due to copyright and Radio-Info.com's policy, I can't post anything but I've given page numbers for those so inclined to research (no pun intended).

Thanks for playing...And now, back to Florida discussions...

The book I was referring to was Spring 2003 ... We flipped WJRL to Classic Rock after we saw WKMX do well with men. Let's just say WKMX had huge male 25-54 numbers that book and that was a reason why we did it - so you may want to check that.

Plus, none of you give WTVY enough credit. It did more damage to WKMX than possibly any other station. WTVY had so many challenges pre-Styles that it needed to be fixed. WKMX was probably over inflated because WTVY was underperforming. Remember, when WTVY turned around, Country shares grew a bit.

Does any of this really matter though? These stations are other peoples responsibilities now.