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Sports Hub 3 years later...

Well, almost 3 years. It will be in August. What does everyone think about the way they have been able to get a fair share of the marketplace?

It sounds to me that WEEI still sounds older (hosts, imaging, callers, etc...) and the Sports Hub is the opposite. Sounding younger, more vibrant hosts and imaging. Plus, the audience seems younger.

Both stations have good play by play properties. So, what separates them in your opinion? On Air? Events/Promtions?

Also, which station is a better reflection of the community?
 
The morning shows are a good indicator of the differences between the stations.
Hub is younger and blue collar, EEI is older and white collar.
 
SportsDotCom said:
Well, almost 3 years. It will be in August. What does everyone think about the way they have been able to get a fair share of the marketplace?

It sounds to me that WEEI still sounds older (hosts, imaging, callers, etc...) and the Sports Hub is the opposite. Sounding younger, more vibrant hosts and imaging. Plus, the audience seems younger.

Sportshub is hot and fun the way WBCN and WTKK used to be
 
As a younger person, WBZ-FM is better aimed at what I want to hear out of my hosts.
 
The sucesss of 98.5 had a lot to do with a backlash at WEEI's arrogance and complacency. Hockey rising from the ashes of irrelevance also helped. The Big Show, in particular, had really gotten bad. There were weeks where they had Larry Johnson on two or three times. It seemed to me that someone was just too lazy to put together a good show. They also had a stable of morons who were regular guest hosts like Smerlas, Butch Sterns, Deossie, Borges, Burton that I'm sure drove people away. Felger and Mazz have both been around for over 20 years, I don't think it's all age related. And 'EEI has cleaned up their mess and won this slot the last time around after trailing badly for several months. My own personal feeling is that I don't understand how Felger is getting away with the same act that I've heard for a decade.

At mid-day both stations are horrible. If 98.5 got rid of Gresh, I bet they would steamroll M&M. Conversely, if WEEI got rid of Muttnansky, they would steamroll. At night Mike Adams seems to be well ahead.

In the morning, I think it's an apples/oranges comparison. T&R have a very funny comedy oriented show. D&C, especially since they've cut way back on political subjects, is a straight sports show. Didn't T&R have a pretty good audience before they were on the Sports Hub? I suspect that they kept all of their listeners and gained the people that didn't like the politics. I'd like to see how many listeners each show had before the switch.

To quote the colonel in "Red Dawn", the lines have pretty much stabilized. It would seem that there is definitely enough room for two sports stations in the Boston market.
 
I want to know what happened to all the crowing EVERY host on 98.5 did after the Spring 2011 book came out.

What happened to all the "sinking ship" "they're not going to last" and "theyre in some serious trouble over there" talk that I heard from them (specifically T&R and Gresh)

Where are the Damon Amendolara pre-produced musical pieces talking up their own ratings, to the tune of some Rihanna song?

After EEI got knocked down a peg for their arrogance, you figure the competition would know better than to smell their own farts.
 
I got a little irked during T&R's show the other day--the FBI report on Jerry Sandusky broke around 9:45 or so. Jon Wallach wanted to report it and Fred told him to hold it until the next update so they could continue the stupid bit they were doing at the time. I realize they're in the entertainment business but it caused me to do something I haven't done in a long time--switched to D&C, where they were discussing it.
 
SonicAl said:
I got a little irked during T&R's show the other day--the FBI report on Jerry Sandusky broke around 9:45 or so. Jon Wallach wanted to report it and Fred told him to hold it until the next update so they could continue the stupid bit they were doing at the time. I realize they're in the entertainment business but it caused me to do something I haven't done in a long time--switched to D&C, where they were discussing it.
I've been saying since the beginning that T&R was not a sports show. I know that here in the bluest of blue states a lot of people don't like D&C, but I really don't think the comparison is valid. Of course D&C have always slammed Imus, so maybe what goes around comes around.

After listening to Dale Arnold fill in a lot this summer, the Muttnansky move makes even less sense to me. Every time I hear Muttnansky, and it's not often, I think of that Larry Johnson snippet about "some high school kid at U-Mass". With Dale and Merloni, 'EEI would bury 98.5 at mid-day. Jason Wolfe has to admit he made a mistake, unless of course someone else called that shot.
 
ArtSpooner said:
I've been saying since the beginning that T&R was not a sports show. I know that here in the bluest of blue states a lot of people don't like D&C, but I really don't think the comparison is valid. Of course D&C have always slammed Imus, so maybe what goes around comes around.

After listening to Dale Arnold fill in a lot this summer, the Muttnansky move makes even less sense to me. Every time I hear Muttnansky, and it's not often, I think of that Larry Johnson snippet about "some high school kid at U-Mass". With Dale and Merloni, 'EEI would bury 98.5 at mid-day. Jason Wolfe has to admit he made a mistake, unless of course someone else called that shot.

I have said the same thing about T&R. They are a watered down Opie and Anthony show, that OCCASIONALLY discusses sports, and rarely indepth.

Just a couple days back, they spent quite a bit of time with a "comedy bit" where one of their flunkies was interviewing some gay man at the Fens. The flunkie was feeding him names of the on air talent at WBZ and WEEI, and asking the gay guy what he would like to do with them.

The answers were rather disturbing, but the "morning zoo crew" at T&R were eating it up.

I might have found that funny when I was 12.....

Anyoneclaiming T&R is a sports show, simply is NOT listening to it.

I cannot think of a SINGLE time when I thought "I should listen to WBZ to find out what is REALLY going on in the world of sports.

That is why I think comparing the D&C show to T&R is apples and oranges.

There was a time that Imus was the morning show on WEEI. I wonder how T&R would react if they were getting outrated by Imus?

Regarding Muttnansky, does he have incriminating pictures of Jason Wolfe laying around?
Pete Sheppard and Dale Arnold are basically pinch hitters, when Muttnansky is a starter? He is awful, and the mid day ratings are ripe for the picking, because Gresh is so horrible.
 
If ratings are really important how about the fact that a few books ago, 98.5's midday ratings were 14 and a half times as high as WEEI's for that midday slot in a key demo? WEEI's ratings: well, as the song goes "one is the loneliest number" if you get my drift--and to visualize 14.5 times as higher, picture a Lilliputian standing next to Dirk Nowitzsky. WEEI's ratings since then have improved a bit in that slot. Both stations are in a nip and tuck battle, though for a time Sports Hub dominated. Again with Red Sox interest (despite their place in the standings) and the C's playoff run, WEEI did pretty well last time. And the talk shows themselves may have
attracted more or less interest as we went along.

Both stations, given the commitment Ent. and CBS are giving them, and with four _major_ (sorry soccer)
sports teams divided up equally between them, I'd see WEEI and WBZ-FM both keeping sports, and continuing to battle, for many years to come.
 
sports media hacks are among the dumbest people walking the planet today. If you've failed at practically everything else, you into 'sports media.'

Happily, these media hacks will waddle over here and see this...probably taking 'great offense.'

The best sports radio is to be found on iTunes through ESPN radio podcasts. I am a PPM-wearer, so I am pleased that I am having an effect on the ratings by NOT listening to local radio.
 
ChrisNH said:
sports media hacks are among the dumbest people walking the planet today. If you've failed at practically everything else, you into 'sports media.'

Happily, these media hacks will waddle over here and see this...probably taking 'great offense.'

The best sports radio is to be found on iTunes through ESPN radio podcasts. I am a PPM-wearer, so I am pleased that I am having an effect on the ratings by NOT listening to local radio.
So may we assume that you have not been a miserable failure like the people that host shows on 98.5 and WEEI and, acccordingly, earn significantly more money than any of them?
 
Factoid via twitter: |
>>FM or FM Simulcast Sports stations have 43% higher daily cumes and 11% younger median ages. http://bit.ly/NotyourAvgQH
"All Sports And FM"

>>So it appears, based on this sample, that the way the product is consumed doesn’t change when sports programming is moved to FM, just the size and age of the audience consuming it
 
......Of course D&C have always slammed Imus, ......

I'm not sure that this is true. D&C started to turn on Imus when he remarried, fathered a son, and started acting like he had invented childbirth. Soon after, the incessant shilling for the Imus Ranch charity made the program just about unlistenable. Even I finally gave up on it, and I had been an Imus fan since the 70s.

Regards,
TSB
 
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