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Sports Hub Bruins Delay

While watching the Bruins and Senators at the Garden Saturday Afternoon, I had my I-Pod Nano with an FM radio to hear play by play..but I noticed something was, well, strange..

The delay between the live action on the ice and the call was at least thirty seconds...

I know the Red Sox and WEEI use a delay of between 7 and 10 seconds..but Thirty Seconds?

What's up with that?
 
HD encoding delay accounts for part of it. streaming delay from game to main studio, and main studio to tx for some. maybe 7 seconds in case a player drops a F-bomb?

usually radio is still ahread of TV by a few seconds, which really annoys people if you mute it and listen to the usually better radio announcers giving things away
 
carmen said:
HD encoding delay accounts for part of it. streaming delay from game to main studio, and main studio to tx for some. maybe 7 seconds in case a player drops a F-bomb?

I was dropping a few myself watching it at home, even more of them on Sunday.
 
I seem to recall hearing that some professional teams install some sort of small transmitter device in the audio chain prior to it leaving the arena thus allowing the play by play to be heard "in real time" in the venue. Is that true?
 
98.5 runs HD AFAIK, and that adds about 8 seconds of delay. Plus another 1-2 seconds (maybe less) of transmission delay between the rink and the studio, assuming they're using ISDN or maybe a Comrex Access or a Tieline iMix or similar. If, for some reason, they're using satellite that would add about 5 seconds of delay, IIRC. Add another 7-10 seconds of profanity delay that the station probably runs 24/7 (most non-music stations do). Probably a slight delay, 1-2 seconds max, for the STL link...although the STL may have less than 0.5 sec delay, too.

As for the remaining 10 seconds of delay I'm a little stumped. It's possible they run with a LOT of profanity delay (i.e. 15-20 seconds) and leave it on 24/7. That seems like a lot of profanity delay to me, but I'm not running their station. (shrugs)

TV feeds, of course, are another ball of wax. You can easily have 10-30 seconds of delay for a satellite video feed, plus encoding/decoding delay at the cable/satellite head-end, and additional delay from your cable/set-top box decoding the signal. That's ignoring any profanity delay the video might have (always a problem that some dumbass brings a "naughty" sign and flips it up at the last second) and the various delays throughout the video signal chain. It can add up to 1 - 3 minutes pretty easily...although I remember the Sox games on NESN via Comcast being about 20 seconds behind WEEI, which itself was close to real-time (maybe a few seconds behind, total).

BTW, there wouldn't be any delay on Sox games at Fenway Park because WRKO/WEEI don't run HD Radio; their only delay is the ISDN link between the booth and the station, which is about a half-second at most. Actually I think the booth at Fenway has a fiber link back to the studio, and that'd have even less delay...but road games are probably ISDN. I remember asking them about this once and I think that WEEI doesn't run profanity delays on the Sox games. I could be wrong, or it could've changed (the last time I would've asked would've been at least three years ago), but I don't think they do; the booth is far enough away from the fans that it's not a problem. If they did run a profanity delay, I imagine it'd be in the 7-10 second range.

Some arenas will set up Part 15 transmitters so if you bring a radio to the game, you can hear things in real-time with no delay at all. Most don't bother, though...it's not cheap to set up a good Part 15 system and it's got limited ROI given how few people bring radios these days.
 
The Superbowl normally runs 4-5+ feeds, all in real time, via low power in the stadium.

When I went to Houston for the Pats/Panthers bowl they gave each patron a tiny fm radio. There was an insert with the radio telling you the 5 stations you could listen to...

CBS TV Feed
CBS (Westwood One) Radio Feed
Spanish Radio Feed
Patriots (WBCN) Feed
Panthers (???) Feed

I thought that was pretty cool, and I kept on ear in so I could hear Gil/Gino for anything major all game.
 
Well the Superbowl is the Superbowl. Ever read the level of frequency coordination they have to go through? It's a total madhouse and takes nearly six months to prepare for. Of course, with the money surrounding it, everyone involved can afford it!

The Houston stadium does highlight one avenue that a Part 15 system can really help with: foreign-language play-by-play. Presumably the Spanish-language market is the biggest in this aspect, and presumably it's primarily in the southern states, particularly in the southwest. If the in-stadium audience has enough bilingual folks in it (or monolingual, non-English) then the ROI for a Part 15 system starts getting a lot easier to justify.

FWIW, with your average leaky-cable FM Part 15 system, the expensive part is running all the actual "leaky cable" (aka radiating cable, usually Andrew NF-2d cable) around the facility to ensure good coverage, and to space the amplifiers accordingly. The actual FM modulators are only $2500 or so, IIRC, and it's easy to combine several of them into one cable. Given that most non-open-air stadiums have enough steel and concrete to do a fine job "attenuating" (if not "blocking entirely") your outside signals, you usually end up with several "quiet spots" on the dial where you can slip in a Part 15 transmission.

Also FWIW, I don't know much about how stadiums are wired with AC power, but I wonder if a carrier-current approach might work better. CC-AM signals can't pass through a transformer, though...so I would imagine you couldn't cover an entire facility with just one CC-AM transmitter. Although maybe you could if you designed a particular subsystem of AC wiring for the purpose. (shrugs)
 
Right, but if the NFL can spring to do it for the superbowl, you'd think a stadium which hosts 2 prof sports teams and countless other events may invest in one of those systems as a long term thing. The Jacobs could get the Celtics to split the bill I'm sure, or better yet farm the bill out to a sponsor, or let 98.5 and/or 850 pay for it as they'd be gaining listeners too.
 
thetheo said:
When I went to Houston for the Pats/Panthers bowl they gave each patron a tiny fm radio. There was an insert with the radio telling you the 5 stations you could listen to...

Patriots (WBCN) Feed
Panthers (???) Feed

The Panthers' flagship at the time was WRFX 99.5; it was the last season Bill Rosinski did play-by-play. Since then, the Panthers' flagship has been 50,000-watt blowtorch WBT; incidentally, WBT was their original radio home from the franchise's inception in 1994.
 
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