And what about that hamburger recall yesterday. That belongs on FOOD TV on the cable systems. How dare they put that in the regular news.
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Nertz!
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Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:And what about that hamburger recall yesterday. That belongs on FOOD TV on the cable systems. How dare they put that in the regular news.
That is actual news, since it is a health and safety issue. If the Phillies went rampaging and looting through the city beating people with their baseball bats then that would be news. Playing games is not news.
jason7973 said:Hey Nertz. Just because you don't like sports it does'nt mean it's not news. I don't follow the flyers, or hockey in general, but I realize if the flyers make it to the stanley cup finals it IS news.
No. It is not news. It is sports.
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news
/nuz, nyuz/
noun (usually used with a singular verb)
a report of a recent event; intelligence; information
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
Team of interest to many people make playoffs=an event
Admittedly, it would be fun to see how badly a newscast would be rated if Nertz were news director.
/nuz, nyuz/
noun (usually used with a singular verb)
a report of a recent event; intelligence; information
Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
Team of interest to many people make playoffs=an event
Admittedly, it would be fun to see how badly a newscast would be rated if Nertz were news director.
I guess they do the NEWS wrong in Denver too. All four major stations(NBC KUSA, CBS KCNC, ABC KMGH, and FOX KDVR) have something on their homepages in the "top stories" section about the Colorado Rockies making the playoffs, and arriving in Philadelphia. It's even the #1 story on the CBS website. Maybe sports is news, and certain people who hate sports have a BIG problem with it when it's the #1 NEWS story.
GO PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nertz!
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I'd have the news first then the stories would get less serious until you got to sports and then end with weather, since that is what people are waiting for. Go for actual hard news up front and all the garbage at the end. The rah-rah boosterism looks really bad and shows bias. Next thing you know you have anchors sleeping with congressmen. Wait, that breach of ethics has already happened.
And if I was in Denver and they were engaging in the same nonsense as here, I would have a problem with it.
Go whoever is playing the Phillies!
And if I was in Denver and they were engaging in the same nonsense as here, I would have a problem with it.
Go whoever is playing the Phillies!
If you're refering to the anchor on NBC 10, I do believe she is married to the congressman. You make it sound like she's out on a one night stand with this man. I think they've been married for quite a few years now. If you want to talk about ethics and married couples, how about our govenor married to a judge. I could care less about who someone that reads the news is married to. She READS the news, she does'nt give her OPIONION on anything, and she does'nt read anything that has to do with her HUSBAND.
BRNout said:With so many non-stories proliferating the local (and national) news shows, why not pick on something else? There are lots of examples of needless crap on the news. Criticizing those "stories" is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Boy, that's the truth. It's been said that the media today doesn't report the news... they create the news. Since everything these days is sensationalized, I've learned to accept the local news for what it is. They're reporting water cooler talk. When I turn on the news and the lead story is Britney, Lindsay, Paris, or Anna Nicole, I just change the channel. Depending on the station, you'll get an update on Survivor castoffs, the performances on Dancing With The Stars, and Letterman's top ten from the night before... but only if it's on the station's own network. You even get to see pictures of babies' first birthdays from complete strangers. See, I feel well-informed. When I want news, I just turn on Lou Dobbs.
To anyone who thinks the Phillies winning isn't news to the people of Philadelphia... or anyone who doesn't like the stories being done on Philly TV stations... very simply... stop complaining, and don't watch. There are plenty of alternatives in the TV world these days. I'm not speaking as a Phillies fan... I'm speaking as a person working in TV news (but not in the Philly TV market).
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Nertz!
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So what are the options then?
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imhomerjay
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Option 1: watch.
Option 2: keep the TV off and read a book.
It may be complicated to understand, but let the concept gently sink in and over time it may make sense.
Option 2: keep the TV off and read a book.
It may be complicated to understand, but let the concept gently sink in and over time it may make sense.
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Nertz!
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Enough with the snappy answers which you are trying to be clever.
I am just trying to bring to light how bad the TV newscasts are in this city.
I am just trying to bring to light how bad the TV newscasts are in this city.
With the coming of the news consultants with advice on how to keep viewers glued to the set, with all these cute techniques of telling you what they are going to tell you just soon and they get around to telling you what they have been telling you they will tell you, NEW IS BAD everywhere to some extent. Is yours worse than other cities....? takes you several months of watching the news in another city before you know if they are professional, or if they are journalistic prostitutes which is becoming the norm it seems.
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:With the coming of the news consultants with advice on how to keep viewers glued to the set, with all these cute techniques of telling you what they are going to tell you just soon and they get around to telling you what they have been telling you they will tell you, NEW IS BAD everywhere to some extent. Is yours worse than other cities....? takes you several months of watching the news in another city before you know if they are professional, or if they are journalistic prostitutes which is becoming the norm it seems.
That is a well-put statement. And, it goes for the cable news stations too. They're horrible. They keep teasing an interesting-sounding story and you end up sitting through about 3 or 4 oversized spot breaks before they manage to get to a 30 second blurb about that which they were teasing. Horrible! And, the worst is CNN though FNC and MSNBC are basically the same.
Not to mention that this business of using a program as a platform to promote other programs. The cable networks have gotten so greedy and awful about running promos on-screen DURING the show. The goal seems to be "push, push, push" - forget what's on now, keep tuned to see what's next. It is ruining TV in general and is particularly bad for news programs. And it is not limited to Philadelphia. Far from it.
If you want journalistic purity on the news, you'll probably have to watch the news from some little market where the talent is young and inexperienced and where they spend 3 minutes reporting on a local parade. Not that there is anything wrong with that - there isn't. However, those newscasts can be pretty amateurish too.
All of the larger markets have all been corrupted by modern marketing techniques, large corporate owners and big ad dollars. New York is much worse than Philly in that regard, by the way. At least the Philly stations make an effort to cover real 'local' news. If you live in a place like West Orange, NJ - good luck finding anything relevant to you (aside from the weather) on New York stations.
Nertz! said:Enough with the snappy answers which you are trying to be clever.
I am just trying to bring to light how bad the TV newscasts are in this city.
In your humble little opinion, that is.
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Honestly, I think expectations of TV news are out of whack on the part of some of us news-geeek-message-board types. We're not in 1950 or 1960 anymore. Society has changed, people's tastes have changed, and it serves no real purpose for a station to put together a high-minded program if people won't watch--and stations that have tried going closer to that approach have, by and large, failed in those experiments.
You can't force feed people something they don't want when the clicker offers them hundreds of other alternatives (and that's just keeping the options to TV). A mix of some headlines, some of which are relevant to me, some of which are relevant to other people, plus weather and sports highlights is what I expect from TV news. I tend to watch morning local news more than nightly shows (because I multitask by exercising while I watch), so that gives me a quick idea of what's going on; then I turn to the newspaper, Internet and Newsweek to dig deeper into the topics of most interest to me. I don't expect lengthy (15, 20 minute or more) investigative pieces from my local TV station, but I would expect them on something like 60 Minutes.
I consider news to be like a diet, with representations from different food groups. With news as with diets, not everyone wants a balanced diet, but that doesn't mean each element can't fill a place within the real world in which we live, not some rose-colored-glasses ideal of a different era.
Is it frustrating to see promos for various co-owned properties mixed in with other news content? Sure. It's flat-out silly, and a good time to visit the restroom. But it's a business, and businesses are there to make money. Get viewers to watch a certain prime-time show, they stick around for your other newscast, and both you and the network are happy. Running a business isn't cheap with stockholders breathing down your neck, so you do what you need to do to pay the bills and keep the rest of the news on the air.
You can't force feed people something they don't want when the clicker offers them hundreds of other alternatives (and that's just keeping the options to TV). A mix of some headlines, some of which are relevant to me, some of which are relevant to other people, plus weather and sports highlights is what I expect from TV news. I tend to watch morning local news more than nightly shows (because I multitask by exercising while I watch), so that gives me a quick idea of what's going on; then I turn to the newspaper, Internet and Newsweek to dig deeper into the topics of most interest to me. I don't expect lengthy (15, 20 minute or more) investigative pieces from my local TV station, but I would expect them on something like 60 Minutes.
I consider news to be like a diet, with representations from different food groups. With news as with diets, not everyone wants a balanced diet, but that doesn't mean each element can't fill a place within the real world in which we live, not some rose-colored-glasses ideal of a different era.
Is it frustrating to see promos for various co-owned properties mixed in with other news content? Sure. It's flat-out silly, and a good time to visit the restroom. But it's a business, and businesses are there to make money. Get viewers to watch a certain prime-time show, they stick around for your other newscast, and both you and the network are happy. Running a business isn't cheap with stockholders breathing down your neck, so you do what you need to do to pay the bills and keep the rest of the news on the air.
No, your trying to say that anything sports related isn't news. That basically unless its something bad, it isn't news, and your wrong. Weather it makes good news programing or not is a different debate. Afterall, Britney Spears = news too, but obvisously not good news programing.Nertz! said:Enough with the snappy answers which you are trying to be clever.
I am just trying to bring to light how bad the TV newscasts are in this city.
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If you just keep the unimportant stuff at the end, things would be better. We really don't need the a good chunk of the newscast focusing on a bunch of millionaire losers.
Well, two games into the playoffs, this thread is close to ending...as is the Phillies season...But only..and I stress..ONLY in Philadelphia...does a team make the playoffs...thanks in large part to a collapse worse than that of their own in 1964...and get a city hall celebration....before even winning a playoff game....
ah Philly...where the Stanley Cup hasnt been seen since the 70s...the World Series Trophy and the NBA Trophy since the 80s...and the Super...um...the NFL Championship not for 47 years....and an indoor football team co owned by a washed up rock star that hasnt won anything.....so you can understand the amount of celebration and attention devoted to the Phils......the only franchise in Major League sports to lose 10,000 plus games in its history..
Congratulations...now, after game three, please clean out your lockers and go home.....
ah Philly...where the Stanley Cup hasnt been seen since the 70s...the World Series Trophy and the NBA Trophy since the 80s...and the Super...um...the NFL Championship not for 47 years....and an indoor football team co owned by a washed up rock star that hasnt won anything.....so you can understand the amount of celebration and attention devoted to the Phils......the only franchise in Major League sports to lose 10,000 plus games in its history..
Congratulations...now, after game three, please clean out your lockers and go home.....
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