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Sports is not news

Nertz! said:
If you just keep the unimportant stuff at the end, things would be better. We really don't need the a good chunk of the newscast focusing on a bunch of millionaire losers.

Unimportant to you, that is, right? Never mind that things might be important to large numbers of other people. How does it feel to be the only person who knows what is and isn't important to the public as a whole?
 
Sports is unimportant in the greater scheme of things.
There is a war on and people are getting killed every day in it.
The city is being run by corrupt people who let crime run rampant.
Yet, it is a bunch of millionaire losers which they prattle on endlessly about.
You have people who claim to be journalists wearing uniform jerseys on air.
Something is very very wrong here.
 
Nertz! said:
Sports is unimportant in the greater scheme of things.
There is a war on and people are getting killed every day in it.
The city is being run by corrupt people who let crime run rampant.
Yet, it is a bunch of millionaire losers which they prattle on endlessly about.
You have people who claim to be journalists wearing uniform jerseys on air.
Something is very very wrong here.

Right idea, wrong target. Local sports teams rally the citizenry and generate huge crowds that, in and of themselves, become news. A big sports story is legitimate news because it generates such interest in the viewer's day to day life and has a local connection. And, it can take on the form of "good news" as we celebrate the accomplishments of a local team. I am neither from here, nor do I like the Phillies. But, I also won't knock the local media for covering this story in the way that they are. By and large, they are doing a good job with it.

If you want to vent anger at something, how about the news media's fixation with spoiled Hollywood lowlifes and whether they've had a beer or a bowel movement today? I don't want to see Britney or Paris on the NBC Nightly News or on FOX News or on CNN - yet there they are. We don't need to know about their personal habits, whether they have crabs, what they drive, and (in Spears case) see pics of thier kids. It's a waste of time that rots the brain. And, there is 10 times the coverage of that stuff on TV than there is of any given sport.

Not THAT is NOT news!
 
Cable news is totally different, since it is about morons ranting like idiots, car chases, and D-list celebs.
 
BRNout said:
Right idea, wrong target. Local sports teams rally the citizenry and generate huge crowds that, in and of themselves, become news. A big sports story is legitimate news because it generates such interest in the viewer's day to day life and has a local connection. And, it can take on the form of "good news" as we celebrate the accomplishments of a local team. I am neither from here, nor do I like the Phillies. But, I also won't knock the local media for covering this story in the way that they are. By and large, they are doing a good job with it.

So true. Stations get grief for "if it bleeds it leads," so what happens when something pushes the bleeding stories off by a few minutes? Still not good enough for some folks.

Agreed that by and large they're doing a good job. But oh the horror, some of the reporters wear Phillies gear. Heaven forbid they have some fun with it.

What Nertz refuses to see, much like RWS on the radio board and his blind hatred towards anyone who doesn't play rock, is that the war still gets covered, the political messes (in Philly and elsewhere) still get covered. But as the saying goes, his mind is made up, don't confuse him with the facts.
 
Nertz! said:
Cable news is totally different, since it is about morons ranting like idiots, car chases, and D-list celebs.

Ummmm, when it comes to those celebrity topics, I was referring to broadcast news too. Just as guilty.

When Glenn Schwartz donned a Phillies jersey and red bow tie - we had a heck of a laugh in my house about that! But doing so doesn't make him a bad meterologist - what it does is show civic pride. And I can respect that.

The Phillies are a big story right now. Hey, I don't care for them and yet have no problem with it. Why should you?
 
I'd love to hear what Mr. Nertz would have to say about WNYW's Good Day New York two years ago when they had the anchors wear Yankees shirts and hats and had festooned the studio with other Yankees items, such as posters and cut outs.

That was over the line. You really need to keep at least the appearance of some sort of journalistic neutrality, even with something as trivial as sports. Plus, in New York you run the risk of pissing off Mets fans.

True, the New York stations are not going overboard with Yankees playoff coverage, but we are used to it. A bit of expanded sports coverage and maybe some fan reactions, but that is it. Still, it is basically a yearly event, so it is just normal for this time of year.

Now, Philadelphia hasn't been in the post season since 1993 when they were defeated in an incredible walk off home run by Joe Carter in Game 6 of the World Series. Given they are the worst team in the history of professional sports with the dubious honor of the most losses ever, it is news when they through some fluke make it into the playoffs. It may not be worthy of devoting half the newscast to or the somewhat ethically questionable practice of wearing team apparel while reporting on the team, but it is news.

Personally, I'd do a feature story about the fans and have some extended sports coverage, but that is it. Still, it is news, since it is something that only happens about once a decade, so maybe a bit of extra coverage is needed.
And as a Mets fan, let me add - LET'S GO ROCKIES AND WHOEVER IS PLAYING THE YANKEES!
 
Sports is not news and newscasters and reporters should not be wearing any sort of sports uniform, hat or any other team garment on air. It is wrong and not right since it shows the station they work for is biased. If they are biased about sports they must be biased about other stuff, especially if the anchor is sleeping with a congressman.
 
Nertz! said:
If they are biased about sports they must be biased about other stuff,
That could be the single most off-base statement so far. We're not talking about politics, we're talking about having fun with a sports team. News flash, media types are allowed to be people who enjoy lives outside the studio. If the stations forced someone to wear something they didn't want to, there could be an argument for crossing the line.

Nertz! said:
especially if the anchor is sleeping with a congressman.

So is this your latest gimmick? She's married to him. So what? Do you propose journalists can't get married? After all, they might cover something associated with their spouse someday. Heck, maybe we can have robots be journalists instead, so they don't have families that might get in the way.

What you conveniently ignore is that she doesn't read any stories about her husband. Ergo, no conflict.
 
Studio20 said:
Well, two games into the playoffs, this thread is close to ending...as is the Phillies season...But only..and I stress..ONLY in Philadelphia...does a team make the playoffs...thanks in large part to a collapse worse than that of their own in 1964...and get a city hall celebration....before even winning a playoff game....

ah Philly...where the Stanley Cup hasnt been seen since the 70s...the World Series Trophy and the NBA Trophy since the 80s...and the Super...um...the NFL Championship not for 47 years....and an indoor football team co owned by a washed up rock star that hasnt won anything.....so you can understand the amount of celebration and attention devoted to the Phils......the only franchise in Major League sports to lose 10,000 plus games in its history..

Congratulations...now, after game three, please clean out your lockers and go home.....
Rally monday is an MLB hosted/sponsored event. It happens in every city that has a team make the post-season, every season (since 2004), the Monday after the regular season ends. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070929&content_id=2238650&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

But good job sounding informed on the subject ;)
 
Actually Rally Monday didn't happen in New York. Or let me put it this way, if it did occur, it didn't make it on the TV news, radio, newspaper, or in the internet media. And since it was the Yankees, who always get top billing, it would have definitely been noticed. So I would safely say it wasn't in every city with a playoff team. I think it was held once or twice before, but definitely not this year.
Personally I think it is a stupid thing where Bud Seilg and his minions attempt to be Leni Riefenstahl, but I digress.

Still it isn't going to change the fact that the Mets have been in the same number of World Series as the Phillies and have won twice as many. That may not sound like much, but the Mets started in 1962, about 90 years after the team that became the Phillies moved from Worchester.

Getting back to topic, is a company sponsored promotional event news or is it more like a video news release?
 
Vandelay said:
Actually Rally Monday didn't happen in New York. Or let me put it this way, if it did occur, it didn't make it on the TV news, radio, newspaper, or in the internet media. And since it was the Yankees, who always get top billing, it would have definitely been noticed. So I would safely say it wasn't in every city with a playoff team. I think it was held once or twice before, but definitely not this year.
Personally I think it is a stupid thing where Bud Seilg and his minions attempt to be Leni Riefenstahl, but I digress.
Correct, a team can say no to MLB, and the yankees did this year, but they're the only one. Infact, both the Padres, and rockies had rally monday, despite not actually being in the playoffs yet. Also, there was a rally Monday planned in NYC, at Bryant Park, but it was for the mets. I guess that got canceled.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make, is this is a MLB event, not the Phillies thinking to themselves, hey we made the playoffs, lets go have a celebration at city hall. Oh, and ofcoarse its really just to promote the networks carrying the playoffs anyway. Thats why FOX/TBS was branded everywhere.
 
So the Rally Monday thing was a staged promotional event, you admit it.
Seems silly that television stations would go nuts over something that was designed so that people would watch another channel.
Now the Phillies have been dispatched with efficency, they have shut up about the losers, leaving local televison news here back in to its normal non-news stupor and reporting on the killings instead of investigating why the police is not preventing them and the mayor seems to be fiddling with his iPhone while the city burns.
 
Nertz! said:
So the Rally Monday thing was a staged promotional event, you admit it.
Seems silly that television stations would go nuts over something that was designed so that people would watch another channel.

When thousands of people descend upon the downtown area, it is news. Strikes and political rallies are staged too - very much so. Yet, they seem to end up being the lead story. Not to mention the times when they focus on 10 anti-war protesters (out of a crowd of 1000) as if they were news. Get with it, rally Monday is more legitimate than a good percentage of what is called "news".

Nertz! said:
Now the Phillies have been dispatched with efficency, they have shut up about the losers, leaving local televison news here back in to its normal non-news stupor and reporting on the killings instead of investigating why the police is not preventing them and the mayor seems to be fiddling with his iPhone while the city burns.

They really gave the mayor a free pass on the IPhone thing. For cryin' out loud, the city was closing in on 200 murders at the time (now well over 300) and this guy is third in a six person line for an IPod! Talk about shuffling deck chairs while Rome burns!

Is he the nation's worst mayor? We'll never know because the local news media has given him a "get out of trouble free" card. Too bad he's not a Republican, then we would know everything about him, wouldn't we?
 
Nertz! said:
So the Rally Monday thing was a staged promotional event, you admit it.
Seems silly that television stations would go nuts over something that was designed so that people would watch another channel.
Now the Phillies have been dispatched with efficency, they have shut up about the losers, leaving local televison news here back in to its normal non-news stupor and reporting on the killings instead of investigating why the police is not preventing them and the mayor seems to be fiddling with his iPhone while the city burns.

So, let’s see if we can follow the logic laid forth in this thread.

In an earlier post you state that the manager committing murder by beating the first baseman would be news, that reporting on a major sports story is, in fact not news. Yet above, you suggest the stations are now going back to a non-news stupor.

To return to a given state necessitates that one leave it. So, if stopping talking about the Phillies means they’re back to non news, the rational argument is that talking about the Phils was, in fact, newsworthy.

Moreover, the fact that something is staged does not negate news value. If they impact a significant number of people in the target audience, they have news value on that basis.

As for reporting about the police "not preventing" the murders, I've seen reports on every station highlighting one of the biggest underlying problems: a "don't snitch" culture. When you have dozens of people in a crowded bar but none manage to see anything of importance when a crime goes down, the police can only do so much. When murderers walk free to do it again because witnesses run away, the police can only do so much. Witness what happens when people do come forward, as in the recent armored car robbery. Not surprisingly, he was caught before he could kill again, because the community stepped up and told what they saw. The bigger problem is the culture; all the well-intentioned, good cops in the world can't totally overcome the attitude that police are the enemy.

Regarding Mayor Street, he's a walking policy disaster for the city, and by extension the region, but the iPhone thing is an intellectually lazy argument, just like when the anti Bush crowd whines about the President taking a vacation in Crawford. Chief executives, like them or hate them, good or bad, city, state or federal, are generally allowed to some "down" time. I use quotes around down because it was well established he was still engaged. Would we say that he's never allowed to see play or a movie? To attend a family picnic? To bowl, if he liked bowling? To go out to eat?

There's no reason to believe sitting behind his desk that day would have suddenly cut down the crime rate any more than Geogre Bush not leaving the Oval Office would impact the casualty rate in the war. Both are nothing more than easy pot shots.
 
imhomerjay said:
Regarding Mayor Street, he's a walking policy disaster for the city, and by extension the region, but the iPhone thing is an intellectually lazy argument, just like when the anti Bush crowd whines about the President taking a vacation in Crawford. Chief executives, like them or hate them, good or bad, city, state or federal, are generally allowed to some "down" time. I use quotes around down because it was well established he was still engaged. Would we say that he's never allowed to see play or a movie? To attend a family picnic? To bowl, if he liked bowling? To go out to eat?

There's no reason to believe sitting behind his desk that day would have suddenly cut down the crime rate any more than Geogre Bush not leaving the Oval Office would impact the casualty rate in the war. Both are nothing more than easy pot shots.

Though I am in general agreement with you with respect to this thread, the IPhone thing is a great example of how this guy is sleeping on the job. I don't have time to spend all day and all night being 3rd in a 6 person line and I would bet that you don't either. Yet Street does? It is a clear metaphor for what a disaster he is. A complete screw up. And (bringing this back to TV), I lay a heap of blame in the laps of the local media for not calling him on this. They only happened to find him in the IPhone line by accident, and they rarely seem to bother with him. Yet this is a city that squanders millions and millions of dollars of tax money while it has become a national embarrassment for its high crime rate. Street is mayor and he has not been taking action during this critical time. The local news media should be on him like ants at a picnic and they show no interest.

Does he deserve some down time? Sure, we all do. But, the way he is governing, it seems that most of his term is being spent in down time.
 
BRNout said:
Though I am in general agreement with you with respect to this thread, the IPhone thing is a great example of how this guy is sleeping on the job. I don't have time to spend all day and all night being 3rd in a 6 person line and I would bet that you don't either. Yet Street does? It is a clear metaphor for what a disaster he is. A complete screw up. And (bringing this back to TV), I lay a heap of blame in the laps of the local media for not calling him on this. They only happened to find him in the IPhone line by accident, and they rarely seem to bother with him. Yet this is a city that squanders millions and millions of dollars of tax money while it has become a national embarrassment for its high crime rate. Street is mayor and he has not been taking action during this critical time. The local news media should be on him like ants at a picnic and they show no interest.

Does he deserve some down time? Sure, we all do. But, the way he is governing, it seems that most of his term is being spent in down time.

If I can begin by making a flip comment with regard to your last point, perhaps more down time on his part would be the best way he could govern the city---let’s encourage him to spend more time buying gadgets.

I rarely have time for such pursuits, though I did take a day off to see a movie I wanted to see on “day one.” I wonder if anyone would have cared had it been a Saturday or Sunday, and to be balanced—despite my complete agreement about his lack of leadership—he, like all in his role, puts in significant time around the clock.

All of that aside, my speculation about why the broadcast media is not that interested in hanging him out to dry is that perhaps they feel (rightly? wrongly?) that it’s not something a significant portion of the audience would be interested in. When “buggate” broke and actual corruption trials take place, it fits the scope of newsworthy, but on a day-in, day-out basis, are viewers in West Chester, Cherry Hill and Wilmington all that interested in a “how bad John Street is today” series of reports? I would suggest many people are plenty aware of the reality, but because they live outside the city, they see it as having less impact on their day-to-day lives. Heck, if his incompetence drives businesses to the suburbs, thus easing the residential tax burden in some areas, he could be doing them a favor.

It’s a flip side to the proposition that started the thread: if you’re driving viewers to other stations because of what you aren’t or are running, is it a smart business decision? Not focusing on the Phils during the brief playoff period could have driven away more viewers than you would have gained by confining them to the sports segment. Exposes on John Street’s mind-numbing incompetence and corruption may be great journalism, but if people are tuning out to watch the pretty fires on the other station, what have you accomplished for your bottom line? (Whether or not the bottom line should play the role it does in those decisions is an interesting theoretical debate, but reality isn’t going to change.)
 
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