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Sports Talk Hosts Going off on Tangents

It depends on the host. The OP is talking about Michael Kay, who is a heritage host and voice of the Yankees. He is the big dog at WEPN. If he wants to talk about Simon & Garfunkel, that's what he talks about. He & David Cone or Paul O'Neil talk about a lot of the same things when they do Yankee games on YES. People who are familiar with that will find it entertaining. Those who don't can switch over to WFAN.

These boards are filled with comments from people who feel the suits are ruining radio, and they should let talent be talent. If a station hires someone to be a personality, then this is part of their personality. On the other hand, someone else wants the experienced talent to stick to sports. My point is that a successful personality is going to be hard to control, no matter the format.
If a jock at a CHR, Classic Rock, or Country format started playing songs not on the playlist, they would be warned and then fired. Unless that host could prove they were bringing in revenue, breaking format would not be tolerated.

Talk Radio is obviously different from music formats. The host has more power unless the ratings and revenue tank. A jock on a music format is much more disposable since they generally have very little to offer(And are given no freedom to do so)...
 
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If a jock at a CHR, Classic Rock, or Country format started playing songs not on the playlist, they would be warned and then fired.

Most don't have access to the songs they play. The music is programmed by someone else and they just see the titles on the screen. So there's not much chance of that happening.

A jock on a music format is much more disposable since they generally have very little to offer(And are given no freedom to do so)...

Once again, it depends on who it is and what shift they work. If they're hired to be a personality, then that's what they're judged on. Not their knowledge of music.
 
That's why Nickelodeon aired an alternate Super Bowl. The NFL is trying to get kids interested.
The Nickelodeon stream averaged between 1.2 million and 1.75 million viewers. Not bad for a network that averaged less than 200,000 viewers last year during primetime.
 
Most don't have access to the songs they play. The music is programmed by someone else and they just see the titles on the screen. So there's not much chance of that happening.

Once again, it depends on who it is and what shift they work. If they're hired to be a personality, then that's what they're judged on. Not their knowledge of music.
Really? If a jock is working in the studio, they should have access to the music library. In the past it was records, carts, or CDs. Now it could be Scott, RDS, or any other systems that stations use.

Heaven forbid that a jock is passionate and is knowledgeable about music. Who needs quality content? Good thing the late Jim Ladd didn't concur with you. It's no wonder that so many people no longer bother listening to Radio...
 
Really? If a jock is working in the studio,


Thanx to COVID, how many on air folks are "in the studio"? If you are VTing you really don't have the opportunity to mess with the music. The average listener can't tell the difference if the tracking done properly. I personally couldn't VT morning drive but I wouldn't be surprised someone isn't doing it somewhere. 96.1 in Atlanta tries but IMHO it just doesn't flow well. It doesn't matter because The Burt Show is smoking them in the ratings.

If you are in studio, a lot of stations only have "digital" music libraries now on a server. I guess you could access and replace songs but remember unless you are doing a request show, you get paid to follow the program "log / schedule".
 
Most don't have access to the songs they play. The music is programmed by someone else and they just see the titles on the screen. So there's not much chance of that happening.



Once again, it depends on who it is and what shift they work. If they're hired to be a personality, then that's what they're judged on. Not their knowledge of music.
Thanx to COVID, how many on air folks are "in the studio"? If you are VTing you really don't have the opportunity to mess with the music. The average listener can't tell the difference if the tracking done properly. I personally couldn't VT morning drive but I wouldn't be surprised someone isn't doing it somewhere. 96.1 in Atlanta tries but IMHO it just doesn't flow well. It doesn't matter because The Burt Show is smoking them in the ratings.

If you are in studio, a lot of stations only have "digital" music libraries now on a server. I guess you could access and replace songs but remember unless you are doing a request show, you get paid to follow the program "log / schedule".

BigA, mostly false and secondchoice, mostly false.

Mindf you ive worked in small markets, but ive always had access to the whole library and was given permission within parameters of the format and rules the owner set forth to play a song or two i wanted per shift, if i wanted.. if it fit the mood/flow/format, and i had rules if i got a requestm, but was free to play any requestr whenever it came in.

I'm sitting at my computer in alaska, where i VT for a wyoming station and if a listener messaged the fb page and request a song or called and requested a song, id get an email with the voicemail and in about.. 30 seconds, id be logged into the automation sytstem and have their request in the playlist on KLMI.. all i need is an internet connection and web browser to do this with out automation.

Large/big markets and even medium markets are much different
 
That's what my post was about. I've never worked in a small market.
I'd also argue that the majority of small market stations are most definitely not run that way. While KLMI may have the benefit of having Paul sitting in a station in a small hamlet in AK, with studios in the same building where he also resides (unless that's changed), with not much else to do but change the playlist when he gets an e-mail alert, that's a very unique set of circumstances to say the least. Most small market stations that are satellite-fed or voice tracked don't have the ability (much less care) to run that way. Most VT'd stations are voiced by a jock who usually does that work for multiple stations, at times to supplement their primary gig and income. Few are monitoring the stations they VT or watching for FB posts from listeners with requests.

Keep in mind as well that many smaller market stations run lean on staff, share an engineer with lots of other stations and as mentioned in handfuls of other discussion threads, may go for hours or days with malfunctioning automation or satellite equipment, poor audio quality or problems with their transmission system, and seemingly no one at the station is monitoring them, even on occasion, to ensure they're on the air and broadcasting as they should be. That in mind, I'm guessing that, outside of maybe mornings when they may have live on-air staff, the automation system runs the music as programmed. In the case of Top40 or even AC stations, chances are if someone makes a request, it's coming up at some point in the relatively near future, anyway. That was the case even when jocks were live 24/7.
 
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I'd also argue that the majority of small market stations are most definitely not run that way. While KLMI may have the benefit of having Paul sitting in a station in a small hamlet in AK, with studios in the same building where he also resides (unless that's changed), with not much else to do but change the playlist when he gets an e-mail alert, that's a very unique set of circumstances to say the least. Most small market stations that are satellite-fed or voice tracked don't have the ability (much less care) to run that way. Most VT'd stations are voiced by a jock who usually does that work for multiple stations, at times to supplement their primary gig and income. Few are monitoring the stations they VT or watching for FB posts from listeners with requests.

Keep in mind as well that many smaller market stations run lean on staff, share an engineer with lots of other stations and as mentioned in handfuls of other discussion threads, may go for hours or days with malfunctioning automation or satellite equipment, poor audio quality or problems with their transmission system, and seemingly no one at the station is monitoring them, even on occasion, to ensure they're on the air and broadcasting as they should be. That in mind, I'm guessing that, outside of maybe mornings when they may have live on-air staff, the automation system runs the music as programmed. In the case of Top40 or even AC stations, chances are if someone makes a request, it's coming up at some point in the relatively near future, anyway. That was the case even when jocks were live 24/7.

It worked that way when i was local in Laramie, wY for 2 years too.

Even when i was on a network of 4-5 dozen classic country stations nationwide overnight, i kept an eye on my email and social media and id get in a shoutout or some other comment to a listener who wrote in.. to keep my show current and listener interactiuve
 
Radio was "more fun" pre PC days. Only big market stations took the time (and expense) to type out music in the program logs. You could always slip in a current request by changing the rotation as long as it wasn't played the last hour or two. You didn't do a lot of production during you on air shift unless there was a music sweep with 2 or 3 songs with a jingle and good cart machines that would start automatically.
 
The sports station I listen to from Milwaukee has regular sponsored segments that talk about sports or non-sports, depending upon the news or sports of the day. These segments include "What's Trending", "Where do you Stand Wednesday", "Top Three Tuesday", "Let's Go's & Oh No's" on Friday, and a "Banger of the Day", which is picked by a different show member or guest every day. The fact that a sponsor could be obtained for each of these segments indicates that there is a regular audience that listens for them daily. The afternoon hosts even have a "Friday Dance Party" or a "Head-Bangers Ball", depending upon which producer is on duty, and the third hour of the program has a sports lounge theme, which features a "Drink of the Day" and a "Tavern of the Day".
 
That's what my post was about. I've never worked in a small market.
Even in large markets, the music library should be available to staff. It's inexplicable that it would not be. In the event that an artist dies or some other event worthy of deviating from the scheduled playlist, there are ways to make changes. Companies like Cumulus have required staff to come back after COVID. They want them onsite again.

The strength of Radio used to be connection with listeners in real time. That has been almost completely eliminated. Major news events get ignored because stations are on auto pilot. People go to Social Media now for breaking news, because Radio can no longer provide it...
 
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Even in large markets, the music library should be available to staff. It's inexplicable that it would not be. In the event that an artist dies or some other event worthy of deviating from the scheduled playlist, there are ways to make changes.
There are procedures at stations to handle deaths of important artists. When Toby Keith died two weeks ago, country radio stations immediately began playing his music. Over 16,000 spins. You're trying to create a problem where none exists:

 
There are procedures at stations to handle deaths of important artists. When Toby Keith died two weeks ago, country radio stations immediately began playing his music. Over 16,000 spins. You're trying to create a problem where none exists:

I'm not creating a problem. People like you in this thread stated that the music is on a "server" that staff cannot access to make song changes. Obviously, that is not true.

Even voice tracked stations can "go live" or at the very least play different music under a scenario you posted...
 
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I'm not creating a problem. People like you in this thread stated that the music is on a "server" that staff cannot access to make song changes. Obviously, that is not true.

This is a thread about sports talk show hosts going off on tangents. You've hijacked this thread from its intended purpose. Some people seem to want restrictions put on talk show hosts so they don't go off on tangents. Instead you've gone off on a tangent talking about a subject that isn't relevant to sports radio.
 
Somehow this discussion thread has gotten way off the original stated topic of sports talk hosts discussing music or other non-sports related subjects. To summarize the most recent banter; When it comes to the music played on most stations, it often comes down to this: For tributes, playing certain music in news items or bits, or for stations to use music outside their usual playlist or format, they often have access to the stations' entire library of music and in the case of a cluster, they can at times also access the music libraries from the other stations in their group and there are policies in place to guide them. In the case of the day to day play list, since it's often created and scheduled by an MD, or by software using input from an MD based on testing and research, they often don't want individual jocks altering the playlists or playing music that may not fit within the format or the rotations they've created. That in mind, most jocks play what's listed in the computer in the order/schedule it's supposed to play.
 
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This is a thread about sports talk show hosts going off on tangents. You've hijacked this thread from its intended purpose. Some people seem to want restrictions put on talk show hosts so they don't go off on tangents. Instead you've gone off on a tangent talking about a subject that isn't relevant to sports radio.
The guy who started this thread wants restrictions on Sports Talk hosts. He doesn't want talk about non Sports subjects on a Sports station. I don't know if other listeners feel that way. Maybe some form of AI can detect when the banter is not about Sports and immediately go to a station promo or commercial.

PS -- Many threads on this site often wander away into other topics that are somewhat connected...
 
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