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SPOTS FOR COMPETING BUSINESSES IN THE SAME STOP SET...A NO-NO!

I heard a couple of spots for well-known furniture retailers on WBZ this afternoon. One was for Marty's Furniture of Melrose, and the other for the Bernie & Phyl's chain.

The trouble is that the spots ran in the same stop set, and worse, right next to each other.

If I were an executive with either store and heard this I would be on the phone first thing Monday morning with my ad agency telling them to contact 'BZ and read them the riot act. Unless there is some type of stipulation in the advertising schedule contract that BOTH Marty's and Bernie & Phyl's agrees to, allowing them to be scheduled next to each other, then 'BZ violated an industry standard that has been observed since radio advertising began. I seriously doubt that both of these furniture retailers want their ad to run next to a competitor, especially since Bernie & Phyl's has one of their stores in Saugus, the community next to Melrose. And, of course, both would want to have their spots scheduled at least one stop set away from those of Bob's Discount Furniture, Cardi's, Rotman's, etc.

Newspapers have observed a similar standard forever, as well. Very few advertisers tolerate their display ad place close to their competitors. I have heard of several instances (in radio, TV and newspapers) where advertisers have been lost because competitors ads are not spaced far enough away from each other.

Mistakes (in scheduling) do occur, and I'm sure WBZ would do a "make-good" for each in such a situation, but, IMHO, it happens much to often nowadays in radio. Personally, I think it's a result of less frequent but MUCH LONGER commercial stop sets. It used to be much easier to keep competing businesses separate from one another when stop sets consisted of three or less spots each.

I'm sure there are lots of opinions on this subject, so let's hear them.
 
From time-to-time, WBZ-1030 will end-up airing something like this:

Joe Matthieu: It's 7:33 (sounder), and time for the Subaru of New England Four-Wheel-Drive Traffic On The 3's....

Traffic Reporter: Thanks Joe, and this report is sponsored by The Toyota Dealers Of New England. On the Southeast Expressway, it's bumper-to-bumper......

A far cry from the days when Jell-O sponsored Jack Benny and was the only product advertised during the entire show.

;)
 
I remember back in the day watching "Ask the Manager" on Channel 38 with Stu Tauber (sp?) and Meg Lavinge (sp?) and Stu stated that WSBK had a policy of not airing commercials for competitors in the same commercial break.


What I love is Clear Channel Total Traffic in Hartford.

Voice Tracked Traffic Reporter: "I'm Brett Levine in the Price Chopper Traffic Center". Then she gives the traffic report. Then recorded announcer: "This Traffic Report sponsored by Big Y. This week at Big Y is the "Buy 1 Get 2 Free Sale."

Price Chopper and Big Y are competing supermarket chains.
 
From the Dinosaur Department:

My very first paying gig was as a traffic director (commercial scheduler; had nothing to do with cars). And just about the first instruction I received was to NEVER put competitors in the same stopset (let alone back-to-back).

Now I hear this phenomenon constantly. I see it on TV, too. Well in MY day...oh, hold on a second. Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!!
 
My wife was a TV APD, and she says in the TV world, they don't consider car & truck dealers to be the same product. That's why we see it so much on TV.

I think radio is simply at the point where, if all we can get are car dealers, then slam them all together.

...nobody's listening anyway.
 
We've done it with car dealers, because when you've got 4 car dealers that are all running once an hour and 8+ that are running schedules too, you'd have to have 5+ stopsets per hour to break them all up. We at least try to separate them in the stopset.

As for traffic reports, agencies know what they're getting into when they buy that time. A company/organization purchases the naming rights to the weather center, traffic center, helicopter, airplane, studio, whatever. It's usually at minimum, a year-long NTR contract. Price Chopper owns the naming rights to CC Total Traffic in Hartford. Subaru Dealers of New England owns the naming rights to Traffic on the 3's in Boston. If Toyota wants to run their ad adjacent to the traffic in Boston, they know what they're doing. So does Big Y when they buy in Hartford.

As an aside, the worst "offender" that I've heard when it comes to selling all sorts of naming rights is 630 WPRO in Providence, where they'd have "From the Cumberland Farms Traffic Center, here's your Burger King Regional Traffic, brought to you this hour by Metro Motor Group."

Can we squeeze a couple more NTR sales in there, guys??
 
radiorob2.0 said:
Radio and TV have relaxed those rules since it has become impossible to guarantee any exclusivity.

Relaxing such a standard, where and when it's done, is a contributing factor in the decreasing advertising revenue factor for all media.

It's not IMPOSSIBLE to separate competitors by AT LEAST one stop set. That's an excuse, and a lame one at that. It just takes due diligence on the part of scheduling people (once called Traffic).
 
It's not IMPOSSIBLE to separate competitors by AT LEAST one stop set. That's an excuse, and a lame one at that. It just takes due diligence on the part of scheduling people (once called Traffic).


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You must be in sales and have never done Traffic. We don't do magic. Many times contracts come to us that are not only competing sponsors but are competing for the same air time and with many spots. At times the arithmatic just isn't there. A conference with the sales manager is done to discuss the problems and although not often there are times when both sponsors are okay with being in the same spot set so what you see or hear may not be a mistake but rather an okay'd plan. Several of the examples given in this discussion deals with naming rights vs sponsors of a broadcast. Not a problem, the name of a 'copter maybe exclusive but done with the understanding that the sponsor of the traffic report can be totally different, including the competition.
 
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