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Looks like WSTW got a great anniversary present, by moving back to number 1, like they were in the 80's and 90's. (Of course, as Dave Williams points out on another thread, this is only the 30th anniversary of the contemporary format, not of WSTW, which got the calls in the late 60's).

Delmarva Broadcastings WXCY also did well. But WDEL is slipping back ward now that people are figuring out that Rush and Hannity are on 1450, NOT 1150.

For those who listen to religious radio, its interesting that WDAC is doing well.
 
My question is how much longer Clear Channel is going to keep their two dismal dogs (The River and The Ticket), as well as their staff, around? It's apparent that after 10 years of phoning it in, the cluster has finally hit rock bottom.

But like Bob Walton said in Out & About magazine:

"Ratings don't matter. I've never seen a ratings point come in and buy advertising..."

It's that kind of philosphy that makes Clear Channel what it is, in Delaware...among other things...
 
Apparently CC's move to place Rush and Hannity on WILM paid off and, as many suspected, the move would hurt WDEL. I guess the next question would be how much longer will WDEL stay live and local, which must be far more costly than airing syndicated programming. Even though they wouldn't be airing the top tier shows of Limbaugh and Hannity, they might be able to salvage something by having some syndication, like top tier Glenn Beck as WILM has local John Watson. In other words, when WILM is airing local go syndicated.

It would be interesting to know how both station's ratings go through out the weekday. Here's my spin:

Morning Drive newscasts WDEL vs WILM (this really gets down to who's style of newscast you prefer like watching channel's 3,6, or 10), my guess is WILM still wins out as they present more data with less hype, especially with the weather. WDEL teases the forcast to try to force you to listen longer, where as WILM gives the forecast often.

Massetti vs Watson (this could be tied or Watson with a slight lead). Al's a good guy and has interesting topics sometimes and offers interesting insight on some issues, but Watson does more national topics than Massetti so my guess is John pulls in the larger audience as too much local Dover politics gets old quick, at least for me. On the other hand, Watson has the Wilmington mayor and gets into city politics and on those days, he'd lose my ear. A side bar to my comments, one advantage to Watson's show over Massetti's as a caller, Watson's producer will give preference to callers on a cell or at work, Massetti's producer will let you sit and sit. Actually Al's producer's demeaner as he talks to you comes across like he's doing you the favor to let you get on with Al. He wants to know exactly what you plan on saying, so in essence you have to say it twice, one to him and then if you are granted the honor, of saying it a second time to Al. Rush's call screener might be able to get away with that sort of approach being a national show with probably hundreds or thousands of folks calling in, but I'd think the local yokel show's wouldn't want to turn off their more limited supply of callers by acting like they are doing the caller a favor by letting them on. Of course, it should also be noted that Al is an easier person to talk to on the air than John. John interrupts a lot making it more difficult to make your point where as Al will listen to your comments before offering his comments. If Al's show focused more on national topics than local I'd listen more often. Because of his producer's approach and the fact I'm at work and don't have the time to "hang" on the phone, I rarely call his show.

The duo of Rick & Jerry vs Rush (this one probably does go to Rush hands down). The idea of having both liberal and conservative on together could make for an interesting show, but it seems each time I tune they are discussing Delaware politics in far more detail than required, which isn't all that interesting except for a couple big topics. I'd be more inclined to give them a listen if they were discussing more national issues, then the point counterpoint of lib and conservative would be far more entertaining, at least to my ear.

Jerry and Loudell news vs Hannity ( Hannity from 3-4, then it might even out more with the afternoon Loudell newscast, or Hannity keeping the lead, but a smaller lead). Jerry has an acid tongue, you know the "angry liberal" so a little bit of that goes a long way and again he's usually ranting about local politics, so even though Hannity seems angry (the angry conservative), his show is more interesting than Jerry's. Loudell's newscast is a good newscast, so that get's down to whether you want news or talk during your drive home, assuming Allan's afternoon broadcast isn't prempted for Phillies baseball.

I have no inside info, this just how I'd rate the programming based on my ear.

It would be interesting to see how the non-comms in Wilmington fared: 89.1 WXHL (Contemporary Christian), 90.9 WHYY (NPR), 91.3 WVUD (Uof Del), and 90.1/107.7 WRTI (Classical/Jazz)
 
Like you Mike, I wish I could see the hour by hour ratings. Back in the 90's when I saw those, it was interesting. WDEL had the morning news lead. When 10am hit, WJBR-AM took over with music against 'DEL's and WILM's talk and led until 4pm. At Rush time, he led WDEL until 4pm, when the bulk of the AM audience switched to WDEL news over WILM.

When I can be out of work by 2:30, I catch the last 30 minutes of Rush, 3pm news and the first few minutes of Hannity. If Mark Simone is filling in, I stay. If not, I hit the button for cd's. No way will I puch the button for WDEL, unless the Phillies are on. Since Jerry is on with Rick, I will no longer listen to him either. To me, Jerry is what drives people from AM talk radio.

Watson is so arragant, I cannot listen to him. Given the choice, I will take Glen Beck.

But WDEL has to make a decision. Their ratings are not bad, but I doubt if Fall will see an upward trend for them, while WILM could gain as more people realize Rush and Hannity are on 1450. Also, WILM is improving their news, weather and traffic coverage during the syndicated shows. It is far more professional than it was (it often sounded like a youngster reading the newspaper aloud) and is good competition for Loudell, who I like. In the current incarnation, I see WILM and not WDEL picking up steam.

WWTX is a dead issue. No, a rating point does not buy ads. Likewise, a radio ad does not walk into Home Depot and buy lumber! CC management in the Wilmington cluster had better pull their heads out of their lower torso and come up with new plans for 1290 and The River!
 
But WDEL has to make a decision. Their ratings are not bad, but I doubt if Fall will see an upward trend for them, while WILM could gain as more people realize Rush and Hannity are on 1450. Also, WILM is improving their news, weather and traffic coverage during the syndicated shows. It is far more professional than it was (it often sounded like a youngster reading the newspaper aloud) and is good competition for Loudell, who I like. In the current incarnation, I see WILM and not WDEL picking up steam.

WWTX is a dead issue. No, a rating point does not buy ads. Likewise, a radio ad does not walk into Home Depot and buy lumber! CC management in the Wilmington cluster had better pull their heads out of their lower torso and come up with new plans for 1290 and The River!


I'd agree with your assement for WDEL. The one thing they could do would be to carry Glenn Beck from 9-12noon. I can get Beck on Philly's 1210 WPHT, but it's not the best signal and if there is some interference then it's gone, but WDEL could blanket the area with a top tier show that would probably beat out Watson's show, other than for the folks who actually want to call in to a talk show so they can rant about their pet political peeve. What I've noticed, there are the "regulars" who call both Al and John.

Maybe what WDEL could do in the afternoon at 1pm, after Loudell's noontime newscast, is to drop Jerry and add Al with Rick. Al isn't the flaming angry lib that Jerry is, but he's not a conservative either. Al expresses his opinion in well thought out ways that would go well with Rick Jensen's well thought out opinions which defininitely lean to the right. I'd tune in to hear both Al and Rick together, but like WTUX said, Jerry's style is hard to take. He comes across like an angry old man, which is not entertaining. Maybe WDEL could find some syndicated show to air from 3pm - 4pm ( my guess is you'd not have to air all three hours of some show so sign up one hour of some show that's format would fit the temper and style that Rick and Al would create) rather than having Jerry or Al go it alone for a fourth hour, which seems anticlimatic after the three hour dual act.

Yes I'd also agree with you that WILM's newscast capsules during the syndicated talk have improved greatly and sound very professional. Their overall sound of the station has improved as the folks there have gotten used to their new digital equipment, etc.

One thing that I think Clear Channel is overlooking and that is that while WILM's ratings have improved their spot breaks still have an awful lot of PSA's (I'm so tired if hearing about the drunk who freestyles rap at a Karaoke bar). My guess is that WDEL has the heavier spot load due to being able to sell WDEL with WSTW and possibly WXCY. Of course CC could do that with WILM and WRDX. The problem is WRDX is not doing well ratings wise. So it would seem to me that CC should change that format to something else that might sell well here in this market. I'd vote for a real Oldies station to offer some competition to the boring WOGL from Philly (I'd like to believe that format would sell well here). But in any case fixing what's wrong with WRDX would seem to me to be an important thing for them to do as that powerful 94.7 frequency is being wasted. The other choice might be country and compete with Delmarva's WXCY as the 94.7 signal used to be the country station and did penetrate the market better than 103.7 from Havre de Grace.

I've listened to the local talk sports show on WWTX 1290 (3-6pm). It's a refreshing change from political talk, but they too do not have any spots, just PSA's. So again fixing 94.7 which would be the drawing card for advertisers where you can add the AM's at a very small rate too would seem like the approach. The problem with CC dropping Fox Sports Radio on AM1290 probably has more to do with CC having some agreement with Fox to carry Fox Radio News on their talk stations and Fox Sports on sportstalk stations. My guess to this is that CC makes more money from a corporate point of view by having AM1290 pull in 10 listeners for Fox Sports as Fox can sell a higher rate for network spots because their programming is aired in more markets, especially that very hard to reach demo of younger men who typically don't listen to radio; than if AM1290 went back to ABC's Unforgettable Favorites where, from what WTUX said, AM 1290 was on top of the other local AM's during the mid day parts. You know the old story, AM1290 pulled in good ratings, but all those folks weren't the one's the advertisers wanted as most were over the age of 49.

It's a shame that radio hasn't figured out what cable TV did, and sell older demos listening, to the drug companies, life insurance companies, etc. Let's face it, the drug companies have a hugemungous amount of money to spend on advertisements. Without the drug company ads, many of those cable channels would go belly up. So why shouldn't radio cash in on that drug company money by selling them on radio. The largest demo block in our nation, the babyboomers, is for the most part now over the age of 49 and a prime target for those drug ads, retirement investments, temporpedic beds, RV's, (they've got Sally Fields and Lindsey Wagner now hawking stuff). Also the babyboomer has another important advantage for advertisers we still do listen to the radio, unlike the younger age groups who've left radio for Ipods, Blackberry's and Iphones, etc, but it seems that radio has tossed the boomers aside. I find it crazy that ad agencies haven't figured out what type of music, news, talk, etc, we'd prefer to hear on radio and then find out what products we use and then market that product with those sponsors as national syndicated shows. My guess is those radio stations and advertisers all would make money. Our group is large, we still do things, we spend money, we don't just sit home in rocking chairs knitting or playing shuffle board. Seems like a lot of money could be made by some smart people.

Hey here's a thought, maybe AARP should start it's own syndicated radio show featuring boomer music, boomer talk, etc and sell it to the drug companies.
 
Wilmington's Urban station, WJKS 101.7 with studios in Downtown Wilmington and its tower and city of license in Canton, NJ was #11 well below the two Philly Urban stations WDAS-FM #3 and WUSL #7. It's sister station at AM 1510, WFAI, Urban Gospel, with studios in Downtown Wilmington and its tower and city of license in Salem, NJ was tied with four other stations for #22 at the bottom of the rankings. I guess the only Wilmington market stations to get lower ratings were WWTX AM 1290 Fox Sports Radio and 1380 DELDOT traffic radio.

Now the question would be why does the local yokel urban station come in so far behind the two out of town urban stations. I don't listen to that type of music so I can't offer an evaluation, other than to say that it must be that WDAS-FM and WUSL play better Urban music or the jocks are better or some variation of the two. It would be interesting to know how heavy the spot load is on WJKS. I'm assuming that on 1510 WFAI being a Urban Gospel station that it gets most of its support via the dollar a holler preachers they air, but they too may pull in a reasonable spot load making it a profitable venture even though they are at the bottom of the ratings pile.
 
Jerry has an acid tongue, you know the "angry liberal" so a little bit of that goes a long way.

Not only that, but two seconds of Jerry's voice prompts me to hit the "scan" button.
 
I gave the guy a try. But as they say, some people "have a face for radio" (including me!). He has a voice for Newspaper! HE HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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