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Springfield's 97.7 The River

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Shizam

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I tuned into this station Saturday....in my ventures back to the Chicago area...and noticed a DJ screw up....like one said "That was The Verve Pipe--Freshman" when really it was a Green Day song that played.

Then the strangest thing.....a different lady came on and told me there was a winter storm warning for the Springfield area to be careful, there was going to be possibly 10 inches of snow coming. Then it hit....the voicetracks were all jumbled up.

Too bad someone replayed an air shift from 4 days ago....there was no snow coming to Springfield Saturday. Hope that didn't scare anyone or send anyone into a frenzy that snow was coming. It's so inexcusable is sad. Who is in charge over there? Doesn't a PD have to review tracks ready to air for the day?<P ID="signature">______________
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> Doesn't a PD have to review tracks
> ready to air for the day?
>
You have to HAVE a PD to have a PD to review tracks.

They have ads running for one.

And whhat POS system are they using? With NexGen, if no one tracks, no tracks run. Better to have no one back-announce Green Day, than to have a system that BLEEP up and calls it Verve Pipe...<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Shizam on 03/28/06 03:17 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> And whhat POS system are they using? With NexGen, if no one
> tracks, no tracks run. Better to have no one back-announce
> Green Day, than to have a system that ****s up and calls it
> Verve Pipe...

Although MWF in Springfield, MO uses Maestro, it sounds like Springfield, IL may be running AudioVault. Every Scott Concepts machine I've dealt with allows you to date the tracks and not run them out of date. When I've used AV Air, a message will print after the out of date tracks run, and there is, if I remember correctly, a "W" to the left of an out of date track once it preloads. However, none of the AV Air systems I've used will stop the tracks from actually running. The voicetracks are usually merged into your playlist, which means whatever is in those "carts" will run.

AV Air has its advantages. It's very easy to learn for music stations. Your 4-year-old could use pretty much every function on the system after a 30 minute training session. However, unattended operation is not what I would consider an AV Air advantage. I've seen way too many reliability issues with the product, especially when it's server-based, and I'd be scared to death to leave AV Sat unattended.
 
With Audio Vault Voice Tracking, the only way you can run an old voice track is if you load an old log into the system. So if they put their logs on a floppy and then merge them with the sales log in the AV computer, they need to make sure they load the right date. Sounds to me like they put all their logs on one floopy, and somebody didn't pay attention. As far as announcing the wrong song, they might have got it right when they voice tracked, but if the song isn't in AV it can't play, and perhaps the song before that was the Green Day song. So the VT ran after the Green Day song. The jock should have noticed that the song was missing when they voice tracked and made sure to get it in the system before the VT's played.

Just my theory. By the way what kind of money do they pay over there, and what kind of company is it?

> > And whhat POS system are they using? With NexGen, if no
> one
> > tracks, no tracks run. Better to have no one
> back-announce
> > Green Day, than to have a system that ****s up and calls
> it
> > Verve Pipe...
>
> Although MWF in Springfield, MO uses Maestro, it sounds like
> Springfield, IL may be running AudioVault. Every Scott
> Concepts machine I've dealt with allows you to date the
> tracks and not run them out of date. When I've used AV Air,
> a message will print after the out of date tracks run, and
> there is, if I remember correctly, a "W" to the left of an
> out of date track once it preloads. However, none of the AV
> Air systems I've used will stop the tracks from actually
> running. The voicetracks are usually merged into your
> playlist, which means whatever is in those "carts" will run.
>
>
> AV Air has its advantages. It's very easy to learn for
> music stations. Your 4-year-old could use pretty much every
> function on the system after a 30 minute training session.
> However, unattended operation is not what I would consider
> an AV Air advantage. I've seen way too many reliability
> issues with the product, especially when it's server-based,
> and I'd be scared to death to leave AV Sat unattended.
>
 
"Although MWF in Springfield, MO uses Maestro, it sounds like Springfield, IL may be running AudioVault."


Nope, I know somebody in the market.. they run ENCO.<P ID="signature">______________
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> With Audio Vault Voice Tracking, the only way you can run an
> old voice track is if you load an old log into the system.
> So if they put their logs on a floppy and then merge them
> with the sales log in the AV computer, they need to make
> sure they load the right date. Sounds to me like they put
> all their logs on one floopy, and somebody didn't pay
> attention. As far as announcing the wrong song, they might
> have got it right when they voice tracked, but if the song
> isn't in AV it can't play, and perhaps the song before that
> was the Green Day song. So the VT ran after the Green Day
> song. The jock should have noticed that the song was
> missing when they voice tracked and made sure to get it in
> the system before the VT's played.

Here's how we used to do it when I worked at a company that used AudioVault. I had three sets of voicetracks: KENTMWF, KENTTTH, and KSSUNWILD. I had one set of voicetracks for Monday, Wednesday and Friday, another for Tuesday/Thursday, and one for Sunday. Those tracks were parked on the server, and they were merged into the logs according to the day of the week. So, the same number that played on Monday would play at about the same time on Wednesday and Friday. Ditto for the Tuesday and Thursday tracks, and the same numbered tracks would play every Sunday. The tracks would be labelled something to the effect of "1010 Kent MWF 10 ID," "1011 Kent MWF 10:05," "1012 Kent MWF 10:17," "1013 Kent MWF 10:20 Break," and so on. So, if I missed a track, an old piece of material would air. Another company I worked for that used AudioVault did exactly the same thing. Of course, this was before AV2 was widely in production. The first company put it in right about the time I was forced out (I did two shows on it), and it was running off the same server as the other stations, which were still running AV Air, though you could run everything straight off the hard drive on AV2 in the event of a server crash or something of the like.

My experience with Voice Tracker is that it's much tougher to screw up and play out of date tracks, though I'm sure I could find a way to screw it up if I tried hard enough. From what one of the engineers at one of the AudioVault shops told me, you could integrate Voice Tracker into AV2 and possibly AV Air, but it was never done at either of the AudioVault shops I was at.
 
> Nope, I know somebody in the market.. they run ENCO.

Wow! I'm kind of surprised. I thought Voice Tracker, or something similar, came with ENCO, which would make it pretty hard to repeat the same tracks without trying to do so. However, I've never actually had any ENCO experience, and I've never heard even one positive comment about it from anyone who has.
 
> > And whhat POS system are they using? With NexGen, if no
> one
> > tracks, no tracks run. Better to have no one
> back-announce
> > Green Day, than to have a system that ****s up and calls
> it
> > Verve Pipe...
>
> Although MWF in Springfield, MO uses Maestro, it sounds like
> Springfield, IL may be running AudioVault. Every Scott
> Concepts machine I've dealt with allows you to date the
> tracks and not run them out of date. When I've used AV Air,
> a message will print after the out of date tracks run, and
> there is, if I remember correctly, a "W" to the left of an
> out of date track once it preloads. However, none of the AV
> Air systems I've used will stop the tracks from actually
> running. The voicetracks are usually merged into your
> playlist, which means whatever is in those "carts" will run.
>
>
> AV Air has its advantages. It's very easy to learn for
> music stations. Your 4-year-old could use pretty much every
> function on the system after a 30 minute training session.
> However, unattended operation is not what I would consider
> an AV Air advantage. I've seen way too many reliability
> issues with the product, especially when it's server-based,
> and I'd be scared to death to leave AV Sat unattended.
>


Now that we've all learned that. They use Enco.
 
> > Nope, I know somebody in the market.. they run ENCO.
>
> Wow! I'm kind of surprised. I thought Voice Tracker, or
> something similar, came with ENCO, which would make it
> pretty hard to repeat the same tracks without trying to do
> so. However, I've never actually had any ENCO experience,
> and I've never heard even one positive comment about it from
> anyone who has.
>
Hey guys,

I work for Midwest Family, owners of WYVR. What happened at the River was a nightmare in Enco. The person Voice Tracking had entered a wrong number and covered up a sweep cart. This took us a day to track down, as it only came up like 3 times in 72 hours, and we thought it was coming from a VT cart and not a sweeper cart. The way ENCO works, if you want to rotate a certain cart number, you have to create a rotating cart, and then assign other cart numbers to that cart via a playlist. When you have 70 some sweeps in a rotator, going through it to find a mistake can be a nightmare. For those of you who have experience with ENCO, you know how user unfriendly ENCO can be. Hope that clears it up.
 
actually I had something similar to that happen to me when using profit. covered up the wrong number took me and three other people several days to track down the problem.
 
I tracked with profit last week...I think on Monday. And for some reason the tracks from the previous Monday were playing. None of my tracks transferred so it was very weird we were able to get profit rebooted once we noticed and every went back to normal.
 
profit seems to have fewer problems than scott studios or audio value i've used all three. by far profit is the best then scott studios then audio valut. Cumulus has their own system, whats it called?
 
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