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Standards stations that have their own music library

Here are a couple of Adult Standards stations that have their own music library, i.e., they don't rely on Dial Global, ABC, or Jones:

Kings Radio 103.3 from Lindsay, California
Curly 103.9 from Malta Bend, Missouri

IMO Adult Standards stations that have their own music library are much more interesting to listen to than Adult Standards stations that rely on a satellite service because having your own music library shows that you are very creative and have a very good imagination.
 
Ivan Badget said:
IMO Adult Standards stations that have their own music library are much more interesting to listen to than Adult Standards stations that rely on a satellite service because having your own music library shows that you are very creative and have a very good imagination.

I agree. Taking a satellite feed may be safe, but it certainly isn't very adventuresome. I know it is a shameless plug, but what the heck. www.kzqx.com is all volunteer operated, non profit Adult Standards with its own music library and programming. People either love it or hate it, but it is home grown, which a lot of people find to be interesting. These days, that's quite unusual.
 
Ivan Badget said:
IMO Adult Standards stations that have their own music library are much more interesting to listen to than Adult Standards stations that rely on a satellite service because having your own music library shows that you are very creative and have a very good imagination.

I think this is true for stations in general.

A good PD with an in-house music library can, with hard work and effort,
create a unique sound for the station. I believe originally the intent of the satellite services
was to enhance stations in weak or graveyard dayparts rather than replace the bulk of the broadcast day.
 
Amen, amen, amen! Look, station operators are "bottom-line" first. Dead or dying AMs, or high-priced FMs, are huge investments anywhere, and owners deserve a return on investment IF earned. The problem is, the truly responsible owner can't afford to just "throw it to the birds" to provide a lifeline and "link" to its local audience today, especially in this format. That's why now everyday technology (a computer, instead of a roomful of reel-to-reel automation and button-pushing employees,) with the simple ability to download music (as many adults do with iPods...not just kids) it's a matter of smart owners not cutting their noses off to spite their faces. Listeners may be fickle, but they aren't stupid and syndicators treat them that way. It's about the national spot load per hour the network gets, not about "entertainment." The local owner in this format (and any other) thinks it's "Free" when he/she gets a 300 track library, no control, no local cohesion outside of "Majic Calls" and promo liners ... when in fact, the service is costing $$$$ a month in lost local revenues because the network gets several minutes of national spot time each day. Poorly billing stations, then, haveeven more to lose. No relatability with your audience, reading out of a national newspaper and homogenized satellite "time checks" and you have a cookie cutter radio station. On AM, this is lethal, financially. On FM, you burn out the audience quickly. Owners need to know who and what their target is, know where their guts and instincts are (or hire someone to provide the passion and experience in the genre,) and put a small price in an in-house library that they control locally. Massage every song to the max. Listen to the rotation and voice track the station affordably and to perfection. Not caring about the "product" gives you nothing to sell. Giving it up for perceived "convenience" is a poor excuse for local radio, when a computer with inexpensive software can work wonders and save big bucks in the short and long run. Not doing so with your own involvement is a huge drain on resources, acceptance and profit. Care about YOUR product and service...or don't do it at all! "Free" isn't free. An extra grand or two for a station you probably overpaid for is a small price to pay to affordably localize a relatable radio station in this format.
 
oaktree said:
[ Not caring about the "product" gives you nothing to sell. Giving it up for perceived "convenience" is a poor excuse for local radio, when a computer with inexpensive software can work wonders and save big bucks in the short and long run. Not doing so with your own involvement is a huge drain on resources, acceptance and profit. Care about YOUR product and service...or don't do it at all! "Free" isn't free. An extra grand or two for a station you probably overpaid for is a small price to pay to affordably localize a relatable radio station in this format.

Very true. Further, I don't think it is all that hard to do. If you’re a real "radio person" putting together something that is uniquely yours is not all that hard to do. In fact, it should be a lot of fun.

Certainly the cost of equipment shouldn't be a hold up. You can get a computer that will do the job at Wal-Mart for less than $500. There is lots of inexpensive but good automation software out there. In fact, I can think of at least three automation programs that cost nothing to own or use. All you have to lose is some time, but I think the returns would be well worth it. I’m surprised more station don’t give it a try.
 
Chuck or anyone, any idea on the three free automation software?

Digilink is no longer free! Salem has one that is in the old DOS format. Don't know of any others.
 
lash said:
Chuck or anyone, any idea on the three free automation software?

Digilink is no longer free! Salem has one that is in the old DOS format. Don't know of any others.
Digilink should still be free, but I don't recommend it. I have A CD if you really want one. Rivendale by Salem uses Linux, It is a good system, but you need to load Linux into your computer first. The "Susie" (SP?) is free and looks like Windows.

The winner is Zara. It looks a lot like Raduga, but with some refinements. It runs fine on Windows. I've been playing with it for a while, but still prefer Raduga. II still think Raduga is worth the money, since it delivers a smooth and consistent sound. Perhaps I haven't figured out all the nuances of Zara. But for the price (free) Zara is really nifty. http://www.zararadio.com/ Be sure to click on the "English" button on the upper right hand of the page, unless Spanish comes easily to you.

I hope that helps.
 
I agree to not being a fan of "free" DigiLink. Out here on the left coast, the defacto automation system it appears is Simian from BSI. Pricey at over a grand and it's music scheduler is $600. I also agree with Raduga...good product. I like ZaraRadio from what I see, but I haven't used it.

On that note, I use this system originally (and still) from Great Britain, now with an American distributor and support. http://www.stationplaylistusa.com/

It's the upscale middle ground at a most affordable low price...and it's supported with service. It's not a toy or hobby automation system ... it just works and does it well.

Outstanding features: Has a (free) audio multi-band processor that rivals an Omnia or Optimod, lots of eq, built in scheduler/logger in "Radio English adjustments galore, easy to use, intuitive, powerful music scheduler / engine and the thing I like most ... it allows voice tracking that automatically does talk-ups to posts or vocals. No encoding the voice tracks in post-production. Previews the song intros and outtros and is flawless. I bought the UK version and have nothing but great customer support...and have, in fact, offered suggestions that showed up in following updates. It's good enough for on-air terrestrial stations, translators, community non-coms and other uses.

It's very strong, inexpensive ($200) and it really works.

After two years of swearing by OTSdj at www.otsdj.com ... I switched to Station Playlist.

I use Ots for live mobile jobs and have used it for Internet radio streaming. Easy to use and incredibly tight and consistant, as is Station Playlist, but without voice-tracking and the scheduler/logger is pricey and somewhat of a pain. Playlist Creator & Studio is not only cheaper, but incredible to hear, see and use. There are three modules to the Playlist system...total: less than $500.

Clocks, local library use, voice tracking all included. Ots charges to program a clock template. Station Playlist is "radio friendly" because we understand it and how it works as radio people...because that's who it's for. And your processing will sound like magic.

It blows away the big boys. Check out the site and see what you think. It works very well and the customer service is top notch...and they take suggestions on further (free) upgrades.

Solid system...rotates all programming elements from music to jingles, promos, liners...does stopsets exactly as you want them, times a 60 minute hour to the second for live net news feeds...and schedules spots with reports.

Plus...with a "live" local library ... YOU have the control and design the "ultimate" library mix from simple files you create. Great rotation of music by the factors you want. Just add that WalMart HP, a moderate priced Dell (which I use) or laptop plugged into pot #3 on your console... It works well.

See what you think. There is lots of info online with screenshots. I know you'll notice some similarities to big packages. I think the thing even does time checks ($29) and grabs weather, too...

Now...where's that (small) commission check...?
 
PS - Re: in-house music libraries... This does not mean to run to corporate "sales" suppliers to pick up the first thing that says "Adult Standards" or, for that matter, any "format" on CD or hard drive. Look at the library completely, first. Lots of tunes does not a library make. Find out how much customization (if any) the company will do, find out how much of the genre they truly understand (or is it a bunch of songs being passed off as a non-researched library just to fill CDs or a drive,) and look for quality in audio and manufacturing. Contracts are not easily broken without pain and suffering.

Go to the bookstore (or online) and get a good book or two by Joel Whitburn as a reference...save lots of money. The titles will jump right out at you if you are a fan of the format...but don't merely go by "charts." Lots of "turntable hits" were just that in this format. Sinatra, for example, did ten times as many songs we knew than those that ever charted. Know the product as much as possible, but don't do just "favorites."

You'll fill your library with drivvle that won't fit the format if you do, (hence, the problem with buying blindly what a syndicator tells you is "Adult Standards.") Some just don't know the format and its ingredients. They are selling quantity, not quality ... but quality is, in my opinion (and many others,) more than 300 "Greatest Hits" songs. There are thousands of well remembered songs out there...many hundreds that would be fresh to hear on-air today.

Don't forget dowloading, whether it be iTunes, WalMart.com, Rhapsody, MusicMatch or others. Not hard to do, and, actually, quite fun. Exceptional quality and fast to do. As expensive,inexpensive or as cheap as you want it to be. Budget your music and build a library as you go along after you establish a good base. Keeps the format fresh, that way.

It's so fast, your 7 year old can do it...(especially if he/she is atypical and actually likes Adult Standards... The point -- they can download anything. You'd be surprised. It's really easy to do. No Einstein needed and it works anywhere, as long as there is an Internet connection ... and a broadband one, at that. (You'll long have sold your station trying this by dial-up modem.) You can get broadband, now, anywhere.

And, yes, there are directions available.

Soon, you'll have a library to be proud of, one that is instantly updateable, one that flows with the seasons, songs that can be relaxed when you want them to be, increased as you need them, tempoed, rotated, balanced etc. It's not hard to do or, today, as time consuming as it used to be.

It truly IS rocket science! People will be way impressed if you play not only the "best" music...but a lot of it that has feeling, relevance, style and class. And they'll give you the credit for being smart and intelligent for your own community, not because you went to the "major syndicator store" to get, at a substantial cost, what you think you want, because they tell you it's what you need. (I've been there, done that, incidentally...for years.) And remember..."Free isn't free."

Remember...adult listeners, even on AM, have longer Time Spent Listening (TSLs) spans well over the 22 minute average. Why bore them to death with the same old - same old every single day? Some songs are being played today as much as they were 40 years ago! Shame...

Control, that's what it's about. Your control. You won't mess it up too bad (there is no perfect format, after all,) and the uniqueness that is your "design" (even down to playing the basic hits, if that's what you want,) is what makes the station fresh, positive, believable, relateable, promotable and $ellable.

It's always easier to sell yourself and your product, if it's well done.

The hype that listeners don't know "bird programming" is a fallacy. They do. Even if you're the only game in town, they know something is amiss. Don't treat your listeners (and customers) as dummies. Anyone who hears, "It's 20 past the hour," knows something is up. And so it goes...

That's why they call them "program directors." Hire a competent one or get some outside advice (sometimes for free!)

Check online for particular "lists" and save lots of time and money on research. There are a lot of such lists out there. Lots of radio stations of the genre put playlist info on their web sites. It's a kick to see how they do their programming. Great research tool.

A week of that and you're set to get a good idea of what "sound" you really want ... A/C based gold, "true Standards," "Nostalgia," MOR, Soft A/C, contemporary MOR, crossover country, a hybrid of all, etc.

Inside a week, you'll have an more than basic library. Inside of two weeks, a complete library. Your jingles won't be cut that fast, so, you'll have plenty of time. Go make some sales in between downloads.

This format is only as "alive" as you can make it ... and there is plenty to keep it that way for success with planning and a dedication to it. You'd be surprised how inexpensively this can be done. There's a goldmine out there ... lots of nuggets for success. It's a great format, long neglected...and longer remembered, or it wouldn't be around today, at all.
 
Apparently, there was an attempt in 2005 to sell Kings Radio 103.3 to LazerBroadcasting, a very well known and well runn SPANISH broadcasting company in California.

Clearly, the station is for sale as it's in the possesion of a Executor/Trustee. Which means under standard business practice, the assets are eventually sold.

With the numbers, demographics, etc in the coverage area of 103.3's Class B1 Signal, I don't see why another spanish broadcaster won't show up soon to buy the station.
 
oaktree said:
Remember...adult listeners, even on AM, have longer Time Spent Listening (TSLs) spans well over the 22 minute average. Why bore them to death with the same old - same old every single day? Some songs are being played today as much as they were 40 years ago! Shame...

Control, that's what it's about. Your control. You won't mess it up too bad (there is no perfect format, after all,) and the uniqueness that is your "design" (even down to playing the basic hits, if that's what you want,) is what makes the station fresh, positive, believable, relateable, promotable and $ellable.

It's always easier to sell yourself and your product, if it's well done.

Anyone contemplating doing this format should read Oaktree's advice very carefully and take it to heart. He is right on the money. Obviously, it is not a format for every listener, but you'd be surprised how many young people will give it a try. I've had several people tell me"...my kids really love your station." Every now and then, kids will call, and ask some amazingly astute questions. I have to admit that it surprises me when it happens, but it does happen fairly frequently. Whooda thunkit...

We also enjoy a pretty good TSL. Nearly 9 hours according to Arbitron. Somebody is listening.
 
Chuck ... thanks much for the kind words. Much appreciated.
 
PS - Chuck, what we'd all give for a 9 hour TSL! Hope you're doing a lot of "Listen At Work" promos. Keep up the good work!
 
oaktree said:
PS - Chuck, what we'd all give for a 9 hour TSL! Hope you're doing a lot of "Listen At Work" promos. Keep up the good work!

It's certainly on in lots of doctor's and dentists offices. As far a as I can tell, a quite a few people turn it on at work and leave it on all day. That is despite having a marginal signal in many locations. On the other hand, my dentist likes to play Arrowsmith while drilling... Maybe I need a different dentist. :eek:

The same listening pattern seems to be true for our Internet stream but on a smaller scale. You can watch the listeners log on about 8-9 AM and log off about 5 or 6 PM. Then there are about a dozen people who must have the stream on all the time. On the weekends, the average TSL can go up to 30-40 hours despite the fact that only a handful of people are listening. It sometimes makes me wonder what they are doing with it, but I'm happy to have the listeners just the same.
 
Ivan Badget said:
Here are a couple of Adult Standards stations that have their own music library, i.e., they don't rely on Dial Global, ABC, or Jones:

Kings Radio 103.3 from Lindsay, California
Curly 103.9 from Malta Bend, Missouri

IMO Adult Standards stations that have their own music library are much more interesting to listen to than Adult Standards stations that rely on a satellite service because having your own music library shows that you are very creative and have a very good imagination.
Not always the case. When I visited Modesto, CA recently, I listened to the new KMPH-840 Modesto. And their Adult Standards library seem VERY LIMITED. Always repeating a song compared to its competetor,KVIN-920 which uses the Jones's "Music Of Your Life" feed. It depends on the station.
 
There is no more KMPH 840 in Modesto today. A new KTRB 860 is 50kw (just went on the air last week) covering San Francisco, playing AOR on AM (!) as "The Sound of San Francisco" in a month-long stunting move before it's actual format kicks in. (No guess as to what that might be as yet.)

KMPH-AM did have a limited library when it was on the air, as recently as summer of 2006, before it left the air. Seemed like they went and bought, maybe, 10 CDs...

"MOYL" is extensive and deep in its library as well as quite "purist" in its range of being a "standards" station. Great personalities, help make the format work well if stations really promote it and not just use it as a "set and forget" satellite service. It is so "upper class" with personality (largely from the formerly iconic LA 710-KMPC and 570-KLAC) that it doesn't quite have a local "fit" in many smaller and medium markets. I mean...Wink Martindale and Gary Owens in Resume Speed, Nebraska? A bit of a stretch in some places, but a good format, nonetheless.

Incidentally - Congrats to Tony Bennett & Stevie Wonder for the collaborative Grammy win from "Duets"! Great CD. People DO listen to this music...still!
 
I think the satellite formats do a great job (or in the case of Stardust, did). The music libraries may be a little limited, that's true. And the personalities are top-notch, which you can't often get with local.
 
I think that's subjective, but honest. Some like the convenience of satellite, others think we lose control of the format. Some say they hate the homogenized "safeness" that leads to bland radio, others don't have the time or inclination to customize or semi-automate live or voice track for their own particular market(s).

My feeling is that with plenty of good voice talent, people looking for work and combined technology to bring the two together locally, I'd opt not to go satellite these days. I also think that Wink Martindale, nice guy and great personality that he is, is a dead giveaway in many markets, mostly the small ones. That goes for Gary Owens (whom I'm a loyal fan.) I'd voice track rather than pay someone to push buttons, unless I could afford to do it right. Plus, I'd want the control of yanking stuff I didn't think fit and adding what I think did for my market. It's not hard to do and allows great flexibility against competition. Plus, I'd cut down on repetition as I felt, not as the satellite told me...or, I'd cut the playlist as the need required.
 
I like the personalities on Dial Global and Timeless Classics. Except Laurie Bandemir, but I just associate her with the mess on Unforgettable Favorites that is creeping into Timeless Classics. I admit it's the music, not the personalities, that make Music of Your Life so great.
 
oaktree said:
My feeling is that with plenty of good voice talent, people looking for work and combined technology to bring the two together locally, I'd opt not to go satellite these days. I also think that Wink Martindale, nice guy and great personality that he is, is a dead giveaway in many markets, mostly the small ones. That goes for Gary Owens (whom I'm a loyal fan.) I'd voice track rather than pay someone to push buttons, unless I could afford to do it right. Plus, I'd want the control of yanking stuff I didn't think fit and adding what I think did for my market. It's not hard to do and allows great flexibility against competition. Plus, I'd cut down on repetition as I felt, not as the satellite told me...or, I'd cut the playlist as the need required.

As good as Wink Martindale and Gary Owens are, even the most gullible people are fairly sure that neither live in their home town. Hearing them on the air is like putting up a billboard that says "We Aren't Local."
 
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