Star 103.7

[icycool7227]

Can you get WSTV Star 103.7 when you are in Louisville? It's a Frankfort station. Does that even come in?

 

[radioville]

No.

 

[KR4BD]

It doesn't do well in most parts of Lexington, either.

 

[BobOnTheJob]

It doesn't do well in most parts of Lexington, either.

If WAKY is still operating with IBOC, it's range is even further reduced toward Louisville.

 

[KyDXIn]

It doesn't do well in most parts of Lexington, either.

If WAKY is still operating with IBOC, it's range is even further reduced toward Louisville.

Plus don't forget Country Legends (WRKA) at 103.9 too.

 

[greg.hahn]

It comes in as well as 103.9 WRKA does in Frankfort. Pretty much not at all.

 

[William_Yeager]

Even in Shelbyville 103.7 doesn't do that well, and 103.9 only does modestly better.

 

[greg.hahn]

Even in Shelbyville 103.7 doesn't do that well, and 103.9 only does modestly better.

You've got that backwards. Star comes in better in Shelbyville.

But it should. Both stations facilities are basically equal, but Star is only 16.8 miles from Shelbyville, which puts the town almost within the 1 millivolt contour.

WRKA is 29 miles away, getting close to the reasonable limit of a Class A FM.

Also the Star site is on land that's probably 500 feet higher than WRKA in downtown Louisville.

With all that advantage, one wonders why the disparity between them in Shelbyville isn't greater. But it's less surprising if you've ever seen the Star site. They clearly don't put a lot into it.

 

[KyDXIn]

Here is a hypothetical question, and a bit technical too. If the 103.5 and 103.9 frequencies in the area (WAKY and WRKA in Louisville, and WGRR in Cincy) bought WSTV in Frankfort and had the station go dark, would it improve their respective signals very much? Which signal(s) would improve the most? Just how much interference is created by this signal?

I see there's even a K-love station W280DO in Lexington on 103.9!

I have actually picked up WGRR briefly in the St. Denis area on Cane Run Road round 8am in August of 2006. I guess it was e-skip.

 

[greg.hahn]

Here is a hypothetical question, and a bit technical too. If the 103.5 and 103.9 frequencies in the area (WAKY and WRKA in Louisville, and WGRR in Cincy) bought WSTV in Frankfort and had the station go dark, would it improve their respective signals very much? Which signal(s) would improve the most? Just how much interference is created by this signal?

I see there's even a K-love station W280DO in Lexington on 103.9!

I have actually picked up WGRR briefly in the St. Denis area on Cane Run Road round 8am in August of 2006. I guess it was e-skip.

It's hard to quantify. On some radios it would matter more than on others. But in the case of WRKA and WAKY, it would clean them up in Shelby County and make them somewhat listenable here and there in Franklin county. WAKY would probably be helped a bit more in that regard.

As for WGRR...I have no idea.

Not that it would matter. You can't just buy a station and turn it off, because the allocation still exists in the FCC table of allotments. If you bought it and turned it off, that would leave it up for grabs for the next person who wanted it.

You would have to move or upgrade one of the others to make it so that the return of 103.7 would be impossible. And that would involve changing the table of allotments to delete 103.7. And you'd have to provide an argument that they would accept which would support that deleting 103.7 from Frankfort would be a good idea.

Now to totally make something up- let's say you could move 103.9 to Simpsonville and make it a class C2 (50KW) if 103.7 didn't exist. So you could petition the FCC to create a station for Simpsonville, which currently does not have a radio station. You'd delete one from Louisville (103.9) and one from Frankfort (103.7). but your argument would be that Louisville and Frankfort have other radio stations already, and Simpsonville has none. That's the kind of thing that makes a lot of money for attorneys.

 

[Bengalsfan]

You'd delete one from Louisville (103.9) and one from Frankfort (103.7). but your argument would be that Louisville and Frankfort have other radio stations already, and Simpsonville has none. That's the kind of thing that makes a lot of money for attorneys.

And something the gub'ment workers at the FCC have yet to catch onto. If you successfully move 103.9 to Simpsonville, do you really think it is going to SERVE Simpsonville? Hardly.

 

[greg.hahn]

You'd delete one from Louisville (103.9) and one from Frankfort (103.7). but your argument would be that Louisville and Frankfort have other radio stations already, and Simpsonville has none. That's the kind of thing that makes a lot of money for attorneys.

And something the gub'ment workers at the FCC have yet to catch onto. If you successfully move 103.9 to Simpsonville, do you really think it is going to SERVE Simpsonville? Hardly.

Oh geez. I'd better point out here that this was all pure hypothetical discussion. There is no plan, nor to my knowledge any possibility, of making the above scenario happen.

 

[radiorob2.0]

You'd delete one from Louisville (103.9) and one from Frankfort (103.7). but your argument would be that Louisville and Frankfort have other radio stations already, and Simpsonville has none. That's the kind of thing that makes a lot of money for attorneys.

And something the gub'ment workers at the FCC have yet to catch onto. If you successfully move 103.9 to Simpsonville, do you really think it is going to SERVE Simpsonville? Hardly.

Just like Clear Channel plans to serve the community of Prospect with 98.9, it's all a dog and pony show. It gives the illusion a license holder operates in the public interest, necessity and convenience. The paperwork sings a happy song of how "insert community here" will now have a voice it never had before. But in reality it is just a place on earth where a broadcast facility may operate without interfering with other facilities.

 

[William_Yeager]

You've got that backwards. Star comes in better in Shelbyville.

But it should. Both stations facilities are basically equal, but Star is only 16.8 miles from Shelbyville, which puts the town almost within the 1 millivolt contour.

WRKA is 29 miles away, getting close to the reasonable limit of a Class A FM.

Also the Star site is on land that's probably 500 feet higher than WRKA in downtown Louisville.

With all that advantage, one wonders why the disparity between them in Shelbyville isn't greater. But it's less surprising if you've ever seen the Star site. They clearly don't put a lot into it.

I was thinking of the old WRKA, now WQNU. In any case, Star doesn't do that hot in Shelbyville.

 

[William_Yeager]

Here is a hypothetical question, and a bit technical too. If the 103.5 and 103.9 frequencies in the area (WAKY and WRKA in Louisville, and WGRR in Cincy) bought WSTV in Frankfort and had the station go dark, would it improve their respective signals very much? Which signal(s) would improve the most? Just how much interference is created by this signal?

I see there's even a K-love station W280DO in Lexington on 103.9!

I have actually picked up WGRR briefly in the St. Denis area on Cane Run Road round 8am in August of 2006. I guess it was e-skip.

When 104.3 WLRX went dark prior to becoming WAYI, I could regularly get K-Love out of "East Cincinnati", sometimes more clearly than WJLR. I also used to be able to get 93.3 WAKW out of Cincinnati regularly in eastern Jefferson and western Shelby counties prior to WXLN-LP signing on in Shelbyville.

Even If WSTV could somehow be deleted, it'd be difficult to upgrade anything else substantially-too many stations in Indianapolis, Dayton, Cincinnati, and even Campbellsville with which to contend.

 

[Tri-State Media]

Here is a hypothetical question, and a bit technical too. If the 103.5 and 103.9 frequencies in the area (WAKY and WRKA in Louisville, and WGRR in Cincy) bought WSTV in Frankfort and had the station go dark, would it improve their respective signals very much? Which signal(s) would improve the most? Just how much interference is created by this signal?

I see there's even a K-love station W280DO in Lexington on 103.9!

I have actually picked up WGRR briefly in the St. Denis area on Cane Run Road round 8am in August of 2006. I guess it was e-skip.

DISCLAIMER: The following is ONLY a hypothesis, and should NOT be construed to mean looming action. All information, and therefore, inferences, via Radio-Locator maps.

I suspect, the improvement for WGRR wouldn't be a lot interference-wise just by turning off the 103.7 stick. Maybe down into Owen, Carroll and Grant Counties.

WAKY and, for that matter, WRKA couldn't benefit a whole lot, either. Throw in second-adjacent interference between these two, and improvement is even LESS for them. Nothing short of a drastic change of frequencies for one would do either any good in combination with an end of the Frankfort 103.7 signal.

In the case of WGRR, a modest power increase, let's say to 20,000 watts, would help them serve the aforementioned three counties in that area. Coverage there requires a good antenna in northern Owen County, and in extreme northeastern Carroll. Beyond that...forget picking up WGRR except through EXTREMELY heavy static or under ideal DX conditions. And, besides that, by the time you get just north of Monterey along US 127, 103.7 makes mincemeat of WGRR, being city grade at that point. Removal of 103.7 could allow for WGRR to maybe even nudge a tad south, perhaps to Sharonville or Greenhills, Ohio.

As for the 103.9 stick in Lexington - that's purely a translator. Its city grade signal just BARELY reaches much of Lexington. They wouldn't benefit much anyway, being only 250 watts.

WXZZ 103.3 in Lexington is MUCH more likely to benefit east of Frankfort with removal of second-adjacent interference from 103.7 - city grade for WXZZ currently stops on the east city limits of Frankfort. Past that, though, Frankfort is covered by a still-decent distant signal from that station. Remove the 103.7 stick and blammo - you're likely to be able to improve city grade over maybe half to 3/4 of Frankfort itself.

 

[Tri-State Media]

By the way, two more things: I am bringing this back up because I've only recently registered here - and thus, have gone back to see where I can possibly contribute a thought or two. And, I live in the NKY burbs of Cincy - so when Cincy came up in this thread, I figured I might throw in my two cents.

 

[Tri-State Media]

OK I think I've lost the plot of things wrt WGRR.

The transmitter is in North College Hill, Ohio. (I believe, off STAR Tower.) Therefore, it wouldn't make much difference unless moved even closer to downtown.

Again: I'm only bringing this up because of the question having been asked last month before my entry to this forum.

And for the record: WGRR's COL is Hamilton, OH, between Cincy and Dayton. That might have been what I was thinking of as far as "a move south"...