Star & Buc Wild Now Have Online Show

[Barry]

The personalities, which used to have morning programs on Hot 97, Power 105, and Pulse 87, now can be heard online, like a number of other people that had radio shows in the past.
Beginning Monday, they will be on mornings, at a site called Shot97.com. According to InsideRadio, Emmis Communications has sent them a cease and desist letter, due to the similarity of the website name to their Hot 97.
Though I believe some radio personalities, such as Adam Corolla on the west coast have done the webcast thing successfully, I would think it is tough to sell enough advertising to make this type of endeavor worthwhile.

 

[TonySantiago]

I wish Star and everyone there much success with this endeavor.

 

[WNTIRadio]

Let's see.... Hot 97, Power 105, Philly, 87.7 and now the internet.

They may as well go back to college radio now. How the mighty have fallen.

 

[d21ofnj]

Regards of their rep on terrestrial, it seems the logic thing to do is take advantage of where the majority is. Yeah, go ahead and joke about Internet Radio. 10 years from now, FM will be AM.

 

[WNTIRadio]

Not really. In another thread I outlined how limited data plans and just plain limited spectrum/bandwidth make streaming an individual unique stream to every listener not a great financial or technical way to do it.

Broadcasting is the same whether there are 10,000,000 listeners or 10. The power bill is the power bill.

Until someone can figure a way around that, even in 20 years FM still won't be AM.

 

[nd2023]

Not really. In another thread I outlined how limited data plans and just plain limited spectrum/bandwidth make streaming an individual unique stream to every listener not a great financial or technical way to do it.

Broadcasting is the same whether there are 10,000,000 listeners or 10. The power bill is the power bill.

Until someone can figure a way around that, even in 20 years FM still won't be AM.

10 years ago we didn't even dream about Internet on our cell phones. Heck, most of us had dial up and no cell phones. Now we have 10 megabit Internet on our phones. 10 years from now, mobile bandwidth will be more plentiful that we won't have to worry about it. Just like we don't have to worry about hard drive space anymore, when that was a big concern 10 years ago.

 

[ProducerGuy]

Adam Corolla on the west coast have done the webcast thing successfully, I would think it is tough to sell enough advertising to make this type of endeavor worthwhile.

Corolla still has to do stand up to support himself. And he's the biggest podcast out there.

It's a good way to keep your name out there between radio jobs, but let's not pretend there's any real money in internet broadcasting now.

That "10 year" prediction is more like 50 for reasons I've covered before. The bullet point version:

1. People listen in their cars. Internet receivers will have to be standard in cars for at least 20 years (for old cars to be cycled off the road) before AM and FM die.
2. Bandwidth must be available EVERYWHERE like radio. We're not even close to that yet.
3. Network capacity must be able to support enough traffic for bandwidth caps to be lifted.

It takes DECADES for people to change how they consume media. We're closer to the beginning of the wireless Internet revolution than we are to the end of radio.

 

[FellOutBoy]

Adam Corolla on the west coast have done the webcast thing successfully, I would think it is tough to sell enough advertising to make this type of endeavor worthwhile.

Corolla still has to do stand up to support himself. And he's the biggest podcast out there.

It's a good way to keep your name out there between radio jobs, but let's not pretend there's any real money in internet broadcasting now.

That "10 year" prediction is more like 50 for reasons I've covered before. The bullet point version:

1. People listen in their cars. Internet receivers will have to be standard in cars for at least 20 years (for old cars to be cycled off the road) before AM and FM die.
2. Bandwidth must be available EVERYWHERE like radio. We're not even close to that yet.
3. Network capacity must be able to support enough traffic for bandwidth caps to be lifted.

It takes DECADES for people to change how they consume media. We're closer to the beginning of the wireless Internet revolution than we are to the end of radio.

Actually that is incorrect Carolla does stand up mostly out of his own desire to do so, or not to put too fine a point on it out of his own ego. He's doing radio in LA between Kroq were he is a morning show contributer to Kevin and Bean and Amp where he is Carson Daly's co host essentially, he's one of Kevin Weatherly's guys so he's fine. His podcast is huge as he was able to get it on itunes when he had an audience built up so it's easy to find and more importantly itunes makes it easy for someone who is not even a fan to sample it, find it. Unlike something like Marc Maron's WTF podcast which you have to seek out actively and while fans DO, Carolla had a built in following before moving it to Itunes. Star is a talented guy who deals in a certain type of expression, he has a very caustic act which is based on much personal experience and obviously a certain amount of personal pain. Guys like that always run the risk of being radioactive. Star and Buc wild have been doing internet video podcasts and features for years this is nothing new. I wish them the best with his latest episode.

 

[d21ofnj]

That "10 year" prediction is more like 50 for reasons I've covered before. The bullet point version:

1. People listen in their cars. Internet receivers will have to be standard in cars for at least 20 years (for old cars to be cycled off the road) before AM and FM die.
2. Bandwidth must be available EVERYWHERE like radio. We're not even close to that yet.
3. Network capacity must be able to support enough traffic for bandwidth caps to be lifted.

It takes DECADES for people to change how they consume media. We're closer to the beginning of the wireless Internet revolution than we are to the end of radio.

1.  True, most people listen in their cars, but for an average time of 1.5 hours a day.  But some people already found alternatives to listen to Internet radio right now through their smart phones (FM transmitter, AUX line) like me, who's lucky to have a car radio that starts at 87.5 and can set the transmitter to the 87 frequencies.  Newer car stereos have an AUX line already in place for their mp3 players. 

2. Most commuters travel in the most populated highways with the most 3G or 4G coverage, tested by me since I'm a bus driver during the day.  Yes, in the suburb streets and rural areas, you get dropouts, but for the city residents and major highways (Turnpike, Parkway, Interstate Highways) where the data is strong, I can drive for a good 40 minutes solid without any dropouts. 

3. If you aren't aware, but the cable companies have installed free wifi hotspots for paying customers in public places. 

For example, http://www.optimum.net/WiFi/Find

Yes, as of now it is not everywhere, but for today to see the main spots where people go to, it's pretty amazing at this rate to see so many public locations with public wifi, or home wifi, which is also provided by the cable companies or install yourself.  Now for the way how people change the way they consume media, well I'm only going to agree it's going to take a while on these views.

1) people (and cable customers) don't know about free public wifi that's being provided.

2) internet stations/podcasters need to educate people in this fast growing technology (word of mouth) on how they can be heard in their cars.

3) The current habit of "if you really want the music you want, to find it" (active listener) vs the habit of "I'm not jumping through loops to do that" (lazy listener)

 

[TonySantiago]

That "10 year" prediction is more like 50 for reasons I've covered before. The bullet point version:

1. People listen in their cars. Internet receivers will have to be standard in cars for at least 20 years (for old cars to be cycled off the road) before AM and FM die.
2. Bandwidth must be available EVERYWHERE like radio. We're not even close to that yet.
3. Network capacity must be able to support enough traffic for bandwidth caps to be lifted.

It takes DECADES for people to change how they consume media. We're closer to the beginning of the wireless Internet revolution than we are to the end of radio.

Radio is not going to die.....BUT, let's take your decade assessment here.

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50 years ago (1962) AM holds strong musically.

40 years ago (1972) AM still strong, FM was "HD" during that time but people take notice.

30 years ago (1982) AM music formats dying off, FM takes over musically. Automakers no longer make AM radio only as standard.

20 years ago (1992) AM mainly spoken word, FM strong, Internet at infancy - dial up modem 28.8k

10 years ago (2002) AM spoken word, FM (post T.A. 1996) still okay, satellite radio, beginning of HD radio, Internet - cable modem/DSL, streaming about 5 years old.

NOW (2012) AM spoken word, FM leaning towards spoken word, Internet - WiFi 4G, online stream quality better. Smartphone apps, tablets, streaming through car stereo via aux port/cassette adapter.

FUTURE (these are just predictions...mitigating factors can happen)

10 years from now (2022) AM used mainly for brokering & lesser formats. FM leans more spoken word. HD slowly drops broadcasts. WiFi - 5G, streaming car stereos & video services begin/subscribing to bandwidth, satellite radio subscriptions down (once Howard Stern retires). Smaller tablets with more capabilities.

20 years from now (2032) FCC dumps AM & forces the few stations remaining to go HD. FM 80% spoken word except for International and Urban music formats but more people will tune in to streams. WiFi - 7G (yeah, it's going quick!), streaming music/video as standard in autos without dropouts (except for extreme rural areas in the US). Satellite radio dead.

30 years from now (2042). FM dies off (still exists but few listeners), more cars will have streaming stereos than those that don't. WiFi - 10G. FULL coverage of streaming in the US and majority of Canada.

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Having said that, I go 30 on this. Add to the fact that a generation dies off and newer generations take over, yes, things adjust.

 

[TonySantiago]

BACK TO TOPIC!

From Star (Mr. Troi Torain) himself that he personally wanted me to share with all of you

http://shot97.com/hot97legal/

 

[FellOutBoy]

No surprise there especially when Emmis has only one station left in New York they're not going to let anyone screw with the brand. Star is smart enough to know that so I assume he did this knowing the C and D would be coming soon after.

 

[TonySantiago]

No surprise there especially when Emmis has only one station left in New York they're not going to let anyone screw with the brand. Star is smart enough to know that so I assume he did this knowing the C and D would be coming soon after.

Emmis still owns WEPN-FM on 98.7 with the LMA going to Disney.

 

[ProducerGuy]

30 years is also a reasonable estimate.

As for Corolla,

He uses the podcasts to promote his live stand-up shows, which have been selling out.

Not the other way around.

I know a lot of people who want to pretend they're in radio go on the Internet and start shows, but at this point in time, it's a vanity project/hobby/promotional tool for your day job. Even for the biggest name in the game.

 

[WNTIRadio]

10 years ago we didn't even dream about Internet on our cell phones. Heck, most of us had dial up and no cell phones. Now we have 10 megabit Internet on our phones. 10 years from now, mobile bandwidth will be more plentiful that we won't have to worry about it. Just like we don't have to worry about hard drive space anymore, when that was a big concern 10 years ago.

10 years from now, there will be the same amount of spectrum available. Bandwidth in mobile devices is dependent upon spectrum. Compression algorithms can only go so far.

Unless the FCC completely shuts down OTA TV and reassigns it to mobile broadband, then the exponential growth of mobile bandwidth won't happen.

Remember, you're sharing the cell site with all the other users. If everyone is downloading at once, the rate for everyone goes down. Try using the internet or even a Facebook app at a live concert and see how fast it is. That's no different from sitting in traffic with 5,000 people all around you.

 

[nd2023]

10 years ago we didn't even dream about Internet on our cell phones. Heck, most of us had dial up and no cell phones. Now we have 10 megabit Internet on our phones. 10 years from now, mobile bandwidth will be more plentiful that we won't have to worry about it. Just like we don't have to worry about hard drive space anymore, when that was a big concern 10 years ago.

10 years from now, there will be the same amount of spectrum available. Bandwidth in mobile devices is dependent upon spectrum. Compression algorithms can only go so far.

Unless the FCC completely shuts down OTA TV and reassigns it to mobile broadband, then the exponential growth of mobile bandwidth won't happen.

Remember, you're sharing the cell site with all the other users. If everyone is downloading at once, the rate for everyone goes down. Try using the internet or even a Facebook app at a live concert and see how fast it is. That's no different from sitting in traffic with 5,000 people all around you.

However, in the future, more data can be transmitted in the same amount of spectrum. 2G is a lot less efficient than 4G and it uses more bandwidth than 4G. 4G is even more efficient than 3G. If every device were 4G, then there would be plenty of bandwidth since there wouldn't be 2G or 3G. Also, Internet streams get better compression algorithms like HE-AAC which can make a 32k AAC stream sound like a 128k MP3. Phones are replaced a lot more frequently than cars. Usually every 2-3 years, people get a new phone. Some phones last for over 5 years, but those are the exception.
A car (and its associated radio) lasts 7 years on average. My car is 20 years old and I have no intention of replacing it any time soon since it runs great. Its radio also works great, even for DXing. I have no intention to replace its radio unless NYC gets a dance station like Area 95.5 in DC on HD. If all car radios starting with the 2013 model year were Internet radios, it would take until the 2030s for it to be ubiquitous. I think that dashboard Internet radios will become standard in the latter part of this decade. Internet radio is growing much faster than the failing HD radio.
There will always be AM and FM, but eventually there will be a point where it's no longer economical to run the FM transmitter because the Internet stream would be getting much more listeners (HD radio is at that point now, and in fact it has never been economical to run the HD transmitter)

 

[ProducerGuy]

Internet radio

The Internet isn't radio. I know you're using the term to refer to dash mounted Internet receivers, but too many people go on Blogtalk and yell into gaming headsets, and call that "radio". We need to be careful with the words we use.

 

[TonySantiago]

Internet radio

The Internet isn't radio. I know you're using the term to refer to dash mounted Internet receivers, but too many people go on Blogtalk and yell into gaming headsets, and call that "radio". We need to be careful with the words we use.

Technically no, but we do broadcast