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STATION SOLD IN SAINT AUGUSTINE

Dear Mr. Geddings. Its obvious by now that your great at gettining nice logos, and studios built for your new WSOS operation. Looks great! But the problem is, it doesn't sound great. It takes more than just a large library of whatever your format is, to be successful.

I have a recommendation. Cox recently stunted with a Soft AC format in Jacksonville. In St. Augustine, where the demo is older then Jax, this format really might work. And it can be programmed by even a novice.

The well researched library is sitting here in my computer. I'll wait for your call.
 
Nice offer 1250 but I would not hold my breath until you hear from him. I am sure that he feels he is on top of everything and all is well. Feel that is most likely the same feeling his wife has with her stations. Sad situation to know there are owner/operators out there that do not take advantage of the help that is readily available to them. Wouldn't it be a hoot if his wife put her translator which rumor has it to have more power and most likely more height on the air as an Oldies station! Guess the family fued could continue.
 
That would make for a War of the Roses event. But it won't happen. She's also be offered lots of help for a lot of good radio people, and she's chosen to turn them down. WFOY could really be an outstanding station. We'll so be it. I bought 3 stations in the mid-west today, so I'll focus on those.
 
I will only visit. Will remain here in Florida. Yet program them from here. My days of snow are over. And my days of offering any sort to bad radio people like the folks in St. Augustine are over. :D
 
1250WTAE said:
I will only visit. Will remain here in Florida. Yet program them from here. My days of snow are over. And my days of offering any sort to bad radio people like the folks in St. Augustine are over. :D

1250WTAE, Best of luck in your new Radio adventure! I reached out to both St. Augustine operators over the past few months, and was told, "We'll keep you in mind". I guess 40 years broadcast experience isn't quite enough for them! ;D
 
I hear you nfladxer. I was actually given a postion by Ms. Phillips and then blown off completely. I was willing to help her for free. I find them both to be really unprofessional, and their radio stations ooze it.
 
Congrats 1250WTAE on your new venture and thanks for trying to help with the new WSOS-AM.

A seasoned radio professional and a long-time, active radio listener do share something in common. Beyond love of the radio industry, there are those life experiences of knowing what does or doesn't work. But then few care to take advantage of that. All anyone has to do is turn on the radio in N.E. Florida and realize an operating procedure is in place that may be a lot of things but fun, entertaining, interesting and creative are mostly just words but they don't describe what is a lot of radio.

As far as an oldies format goes in N.E. Florida, we've been down this road way too many times before. Someone tries it. Then it's gone and there are lots of reasons in between why it happened. Parts of the chain just didn't work. I'll explain.

The next few comments may seem corny to some but I'm being very sincere. I've noticed the more successful stations offering nostalgia type formats have to have the following all working together in harmony. Probably, the most important part is the PD/MD and/or key management have to absolutely love, know and understand the music in their format. That passion just has to exist. There has to be the skills to make it all sound so good, knowing just how to position songs so it all flows beautifully. Senior management and owners have to be committed to the format endeavoring to make it even better by actually supporting it and not interfering where things change too fast or even too illogically. They have to be willing to invest the necessary time and effort. Everyone needs to at least be receptive to what listeners are saying through ratings results and commentary. Music testing should be used as a guideline, not as the final decision. Skills and experience should weigh more. It's like a chain. If there is a weak link anywhere, success is harder to achieve.

I can appreciate Nfladxer's frustration. I'm frustrated too but while I'm not a radio professional, I've tried to bring a lifetime of listening experience particularly regarding oldies to the table. I've been "involved" with the format since 1967 - a long love affair. I've kept tabs on the songs that have lasted through time. I've seen how listeners gravitate to a certain personality. I've seen what kind of promotions work the best in the format. On and on I can go.

The radio environment is one where there is so much control, so much science, so much politics, so much fear too in not hitting all the metrics goals or even fear attempting a different course that there is just a lot of sameness. It "oozes" all over. Both the seasoned professions and people like me don't really have a voice. Frustrating indeed.

I don't know Kevin Geddings or his skills, passion, you name it. All my research and even real estate studies showing who is moving to N.E. Florida keeps telling me there is a growing audience and demand for a fun, mellower retro hit music station covering areas south of I-10, mainly Mandarin and certainly into northern St. John's County and areas across the river, particularly Fleming Island. This demand has always been in the Jax area. It's the chain that had something broken to it.

The ball is in Mr. Geddings' court to get his act together.
 
It seems that 1250 and JohnJax have a pretty good grasp on what's going on in St. Augustine radio. This story could be told in market after market where there is a need but nobody is actually filling that need. The Gedding station has not gotten any better and the Phillips station continues to flounder. What will happen when Phillips get her translator and increases her coverage in the St. Johns county community? You can offer help but if these two are not willing to take the help you will always know you offered.
 
nuffsaid said:
It seems that 1250 and JohnJax have a pretty good grasp on what's going on in St. Augustine radio. This story could be told in market after market where there is a need but nobody is actually filling that need. The Gedding station has not gotten any better and the Phillips station continues to flounder. What will happen when Phillips get her translator and increases her coverage in the St. Johns county community? You can offer help but if these two are not willing to take the help you will always know you offered.

In my observation, there are two things going on. First, while I absolutely love St. Augustine, the radio operations here are very small, especially in terms of potential revenue. So, in fairness, they may be unwilling, or feel unable, to hire some of the experienced broadcasters available. (Although it's been mentioned some help has been offered for free, so that's puzzling). So, that brings me to my second point. They may feel somewhat threatened to share some of their programming power with someone they percieve may have superior programming knowlege and/or instincts. If that's the case, too bad for them! ;)
 
For once these boards seem to be chatting about some problem areas with some degree of professionalism not to mention knowledge! I am sure there is only so much ad revenue in the marketplace but feel sure there is enough in the area to support the stations. Kevin Geddings takes a translator with limited power that has no change of winning and puts an oldies format on the air. That format in that market has more than a good chance of winning however if anybody could make more mistakes than Kevin I am not sure who it might be. His ex wife on the other hand had an established News/Talk station that she started wtih Kevin when they were married. To my knowledge she has made virtually no changes to the station since they split up. I am told they both operate on the cheap: old equipment, part time sellers, part time air talent, and all with virtually no real broadcast experience. This kind of echos the comments made by JohnJax. I personally am tired of this tread and feel the comments to date more than satisfy my need to know. Stupid is as Stupid does or something like that.
 
I'm told the new WSOS FM translator is a non com translator with a commercial station running on it. FCC blocked the sale of it a few weeks ago.
 
1250WTAE said:
the new WSOS FM translator

Aha! There's one point that I can't believe wasn't raised sooner. When I first heard about WSOS-AM signing back on and being fed to a translator, my first thought was, "Are they actually going to call this station WSOS?" Classic Rock 94.1 does actively use those calls in its branding.
 
TommyR said:
1250WTAE said:
the new WSOS FM translator

Aha! There's one point that I can't believe wasn't raised sooner. When I first heard about WSOS-AM signing back on and being fed to a translator, my first thought was, "Are they actually going to call this station WSOS?" Classic Rock 94.1 does actively use those calls in its branding.

I DID bring up this very point much earlier, and don't remember much reaction to the fact that some listeners will be able to recieve TWO WSOS-FM's, one at 94.1 and another at 99.5 - Rather corn-fusing, don't you think?! :D
 
There's so much dead air, and really no imaging on the station, that the calls will go un-noticed. Doesn't any body think its bad planning that he tried to convert this non com translator to commercial and the FCC stopped it?
 
1250WTAE said:
There's so much dead air, and really no imaging on the station, that the calls will go un-noticed. Doesn't any body think its bad planning that he tried to convert this non com translator to commercial and the FCC stopped it?

Yes, 1250, if this is really the case, I would say there was a severe lack of planning! One would think a good consulting engineer would catch a non-com status, and advise as to whether the proposed translator facility can be converted to commercial, before acquiring said signal.
 
nfladxer said:
1250WTAE said:
There's so much dead air, and really no imaging on the station, that the calls will go un-noticed. Doesn't any body think its bad planning that he tried to convert this non com translator to commercial and the FCC stopped it?

Yes, 1250, if this is really the case, I would say there was a severe lack of planning! One would think a good consulting engineer would catch a non-com status, and advise as to whether the proposed translator facility can be converted to commercial, before acquiring said signal.

I am a distant observer and I don't know the people that are the target of this discussion. But I have to offer this observation after several years in the business "back in the day" and a few years recently of kicking tires and trying to find I property that I might be able to acquire.

It is a severe assumption to think that everyone in the business knows how to recognize, investigate and worry about little minor irritating details like: "Can this be done? Is it legal? Will this cause friction between me and the regulators? What business is it of their's anyway!"

What is severe to find yourself working for such a person! And they are found in every line of work and business. But radio may have more than its share.
 
Cowboy, sorry if I sounded heavy-handed, or too critical, with my "severe" description. From many years in broadcasting, it would seem that knowing if a potential translator is classified as non-comm or commercial, would seem somewhat basic. I have nothing personally or professionally against these owner/operators, and hope their stations DO succeed. Although from what I'm reading here, they seem to be operating on the cheap, but most likely out of necessity.
 
No, I was not being critical of your use of the word severe.

I was intending to poke fun at the idea that people do run stations in a style that is like driving on a dark night with your headlights off. It's asking for trouble. And I was lamenting some experiences I had where people are driving in the dark without headlights and have no idea why you would suggest to them that life would be safer for them... and for me.... if they would turn the lights on and pay attention to how the world works.
 
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