I noticed that KBKS-FM Seattle has gone down in the ratings. that's suprising! they were horrible a while ago then did so well what happened?! Any other stations in danger of flipping? any stations improving?
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stations in danger of flipping/stations that improved
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KBKS isn't gonna flip formats, but I think they're gonna be under more pressure to reconsider their Alt/Rock lean
I see WRWM 93.9/Indianapolis and WNFN 106.7/Nashville as potential flippers. WNFN is in a sale trust, actually. Neither have really gotten anywhere with CHR.
Unless it's changed, WNFN's signal wasn't a very good one. Maybe that's why it's not doing as well as it could, or perhaps the station's presentation isn't.
Well, it's a Cumulus CHR (lol) trying to go up against a more established one. The WNFN signal looks alright online, it's a C3, but it could have issues. I guess that's why Cumulus is technically putting it up for sale.the golden boy said:Unless it's changed, WNFN's signal wasn't a very good one. Maybe that's why it's not doing as well as it could, or perhaps the station's presentation isn't.
WRWM in Indy got just a 1.7 in the last book, down from the past 2. I think it's safe to classify a a goner sooner than later....
Because of Nashville's terrain, most of the stations have at least SOME problems in portions of the market, even if the big boys. The 106.7 signal gets broken up by the terrain in the southern suburbs, which is where the money is.
Ah, I see. I've never been to Nashville, but I know what you're talking about with terrain, etc. Makes sense to sell it if it isn't reaching an important part of the market well.rubberchicken said:Because of Nashville's terrain, most of the stations have at least SOME problems in portions of the market, even if the big boys. The 106.7 signal gets broken up by the terrain in the southern suburbs, which is where the money is.
i106 might do better if they had a mainstream CHR playlist that was a little rhythmic friendly and dropped the adult lean since The River is adult friendly. Doesn't make much sense to have two adult friendly CHR's. Just like I keep saying, it isn't logical for Cumulus to have the same playlist on all of their CHRs, of all formats.....just because it makes sense on Q100 doesn't mean it's gonig to make sense somewhere else - but then again it may, depending on the market.
carolinaradio said:Ah, I see. I've never been to Nashville, but I know what you're talking about with terrain, etc. Makes sense to sell it if it isn't reaching an important part of the market well.rubberchicken said:Because of Nashville's terrain, most of the stations have at least SOME problems in portions of the market, even if the big boys. The 106.7 signal gets broken up by the terrain in the southern suburbs, which is where the money is.
i106 might do better if they had a mainstream CHR playlist that was a little rhythmic friendly and dropped the adult lean since The River is adult friendly. Doesn't make much sense to have two adult friendly CHR's. Just like I keep saying, it isn't logical for Cumulus to have the same playlist on all of their CHRs, of all formats.....just because it makes sense on Q100 doesn't mean it's gonig to make sense somewhere else - but then again it may, depending on the market.
I really despise Cumulus CHRs. Even their supposedly rhythmic-leaning CHRs have an "adult" feel! WWKL in Harrisburg has an "old-school" lunch and they regularly play 90's and 2000's gold hip-hop/r&b records. It sounds awful on a CHR.
carolinaradio said:Ah, I see. I've never been to Nashville, but I know what you're talking about with terrain, etc. Makes sense to sell it if it isn't reaching an important part of the market well.rubberchicken said:Because of Nashville's terrain, most of the stations have at least SOME problems in portions of the market, even if the big boys. The 106.7 signal gets broken up by the terrain in the southern suburbs, which is where the money is.
i106 might do better if they had a mainstream CHR playlist that was a little rhythmic friendly and dropped the adult lean since The River is adult friendly. Doesn't make much sense to have two adult friendly CHR's. Just like I keep saying, it isn't logical for Cumulus to have the same playlist on all of their CHRs, of all formats.....just because it makes sense on Q100 doesn't mean it's gonig to make sense somewhere else - but then again it may, depending on the market.
The thing is though, Cumulus already tried the rhythmic-leaning CHR thing in Dallas and Nashville, and ratings were terrible - the adult-lean is only 3-4 weeks old on these stations
Don't get me wrong, it still probably won't work - but the rhythmic friendly playlist didn't work either
I don't mean to be so down on Cumulus (I like some of their stations and have no reason to be against them personally), but I think a big part of these stations not doing great is that they are trying to go up against very established competitors that have more localization and just sound better in presentation. The River in Nashville, Radio Now/Z99.5 in Indy, and Kiss in Dallas just sound so much better. I don't really care for their CHRs, either.atlantaboy said:carolinaradio said:Ah, I see. I've never been to Nashville, but I know what you're talking about with terrain, etc. Makes sense to sell it if it isn't reaching an important part of the market well.rubberchicken said:Because of Nashville's terrain, most of the stations have at least SOME problems in portions of the market, even if the big boys. The 106.7 signal gets broken up by the terrain in the southern suburbs, which is where the money is.
i106 might do better if they had a mainstream CHR playlist that was a little rhythmic friendly and dropped the adult lean since The River is adult friendly. Doesn't make much sense to have two adult friendly CHR's. Just like I keep saying, it isn't logical for Cumulus to have the same playlist on all of their CHRs, of all formats.....just because it makes sense on Q100 doesn't mean it's gonig to make sense somewhere else - but then again it may, depending on the market.
The thing is though, Cumulus already tried the rhythmic-leaning CHR thing in Dallas and Nashville, and ratings were terrible - the adult-lean is only 3-4 weeks old on these stations
Don't get me wrong, it still probably won't work - but the rhythmic friendly playlist didn't work either
Skim, all of the Cumulus CHR's have the same playlist as Q100 in Atlanta. When Q makes a move to compete in the ATL market, the rest of the stations change to their playlist to Q's, regardless. It's just the way they operate. The "i" stations initally started out as rhythmic-friendly, but have recently changed.
I don't want to be accused of working for them, because I never have, but I agree that their CHR stations, even if they have some voicetracking, sound the best.
Entercom is worse at CHR than Cumulus - WFBC in Greenville, SC is a mess.
Entercom is worse at CHR than Cumulus - WFBC in Greenville, SC is a mess.
carolinaradio said:I don't want to be accused of working for them, because I never have, but I agree that their CHR stations, even if they have some voicetracking, sound the best.
Entercom is worse at CHR than Cumulus - WFBC in Greenville, SC is a mess.
Huh? Entercom is awesome! Their CHRs are some of the best, period.
Kiss 98.5 Buffalo, 103.7 Kiss FM Milwaukee, 98.5 KRZ Wilkes Barre, 107.9 The End Sacramento, 98 PXY Rochester, B-97 New Orleans.
I'd love to know how exactly are those stations worse than the Cumulus ones???
B93.7 in Greenville, SC makes my ears bleed. Perhaps to say they are all bad is an overstatement, but WFBC is terrible and a poor reflection on Entercom. They are horrendously slow to add new songs, and the air talent is miserable. The rest of Entercom's stations are terrible here, too, so I'm not really surprised. Sounds like they let them do whatever they want to.
For example, one of the most played songs with 61 plays on B93.7 is "If I Die Young" by The Band Perry - not even on the CHR chart. Songs like "Perfect", "Tonight (I'm Loving You)", "We R Who We R", "What The Hell", "Boyfriend" are still some of their most played songs with about 50 or more plays/week, while Britney Spears' "Til The World Ends", Adele's "Rolling In The Deep", Jennifer Lopez's "On The Floor", etc. still aren't being played as much as they should....about 25-30 plays a week or so. It took them FOREVER to start playing "Born This Way." I have seen songs be #1 2, 3 on the CHR chart and this station almost ignore it. A lot of times, a song is falling down the chart before they start putting it in heavy rotation. They are playing "The Lazy Song", "ET", "Just Can't Get Enough" with 100 plays a week. It's baffling. None of the other CHR's I listen to sound this way.
At least I can get 95.1 and 96.1 from Charlotte. Those truly play "all the hits."
For example, one of the most played songs with 61 plays on B93.7 is "If I Die Young" by The Band Perry - not even on the CHR chart. Songs like "Perfect", "Tonight (I'm Loving You)", "We R Who We R", "What The Hell", "Boyfriend" are still some of their most played songs with about 50 or more plays/week, while Britney Spears' "Til The World Ends", Adele's "Rolling In The Deep", Jennifer Lopez's "On The Floor", etc. still aren't being played as much as they should....about 25-30 plays a week or so. It took them FOREVER to start playing "Born This Way." I have seen songs be #1 2, 3 on the CHR chart and this station almost ignore it. A lot of times, a song is falling down the chart before they start putting it in heavy rotation. They are playing "The Lazy Song", "ET", "Just Can't Get Enough" with 100 plays a week. It's baffling. None of the other CHR's I listen to sound this way.
At least I can get 95.1 and 96.1 from Charlotte. Those truly play "all the hits."
What's wrong with CHRs giving high rotations to songs that aren't big yet on the CHR/Pop or Billboard Hot 100 chart? I think it's great when CHRs take chances on new records and find success with them. Whether it's a song the PD is going with his gut on b/c he/she knows what works at the station, or b/c it's a local or regional act that's generating buzz, or just a good balance record, there's a lot of reasons some records receive high rotations prior to most stations.
For example, 107.5 The River Nashville was early on Adele's "Rollin In The Deep", and the song was in High rotation long before most CHR/Pop stations added it. And hey, guess what WRVW is also playing The Band Perry's "If I Die Young" with about 90 spins, and 95.1 WAPE Jacksonville already has it with about 50 spins.
104.7 Kiss FM Phoenix has "Right There" by Nicole Scherzinger in its Top 10,
The number 1 song on 101.1 WIXX Green Bay is "Paris (Ooh La La)" by Grace Potter, and they have Locksley's "The Whip" in their Top 10 as well. Oh yeah, they too have The Band Perry in their Top 10.
Channel 95-5 Detroit has "I'm In Love" by Christian TV in their Top 10.
Kiss 106.1 Seattle has Downtown Fiction "I Just Wanna Run" in their Top 10. They're also the only CHR playing Pink's "Heartbreak Down"
Radio Now 100.9 Indianapolis has Mike Posner at number this week with "Bow Chicka Wow Wow"
92 Pro in Providence has Runner Runner Top 10 with "I Can't Wait (Be My Wife)"
107.5 KZL Greensboro has Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson "Don't You Wanna Stay" in the Top 10, and has increased spins for "Closer To The Edge" by Thirty Seconds To Mars, even though the song's moving down nationally.
107.5 The Q in Memphis has Santana's "Photograph" in its Top 10
There are plenty of successful CHRs that still spin Recurrents in high rotation.
106.1 Kiss FM Dallas put Edward Maya's "Stereo Love" back inside their Top 20.
Kiss 108 Boston still has Britney Spears "Hold It Against Me" and Ke$ha's "We R Who We Are" in its Top 20.
In fact, "Hold It Against Me" is Top 10 at 93.3 FLZ Tampa. FLZ also has "Club Can't Handle Me" by Flo Rida in the Top 20, and Edward Maya.
101.3 KDWB Minneapolis still has Avril Lavigne's "What The Hell" in its Top 20.
In fact, Z-100 Portland still has Avril in its Top 10, and Bruno Mars "Grenade" in its Top 20.
You brought up Kiss 95.1 Charlotte, which still has "Waiting For The End" by Linkin Park in its Top 10, and Pitbull's "Hey Baby". Amongst its Top 20 you can find Chrstina Perri's "Jar of Hearts" and Avril's "What The Hell".
G-105 Raleigh also has Avril in its Top 10, and My Chemical Romance is now Top 5 with "Sing" on WDCG even though it's moving down the CHR/Pop chart. Neon Trees "Animal" is Top 20 there.
96.5 Kiss FM Cleveland has Rhianna's "Only Girl" in its Top 20.
In your region stations such as Star 102.1 Knoxville, Star 104.3 Asheville, and 104.7 WNOK Columbia give high rotations to plenty of Recurrents.
So I'll base my conslusions on all of the information I've posted above, and couple that with the current playlist I see for B-93.7, as well as the fact that B-93.7 posted a 6.1 share, which is its highest share in some time (while Rhythmic Hot 98.1 is down to a 3.9, which may be its all-time low).
Conclusion: I really don't think B-93.7 is a hot mess, quite the opposite - its seems like a pretty focused and well-programmed CHR/Pop station.
For example, 107.5 The River Nashville was early on Adele's "Rollin In The Deep", and the song was in High rotation long before most CHR/Pop stations added it. And hey, guess what WRVW is also playing The Band Perry's "If I Die Young" with about 90 spins, and 95.1 WAPE Jacksonville already has it with about 50 spins.
104.7 Kiss FM Phoenix has "Right There" by Nicole Scherzinger in its Top 10,
The number 1 song on 101.1 WIXX Green Bay is "Paris (Ooh La La)" by Grace Potter, and they have Locksley's "The Whip" in their Top 10 as well. Oh yeah, they too have The Band Perry in their Top 10.
Channel 95-5 Detroit has "I'm In Love" by Christian TV in their Top 10.
Kiss 106.1 Seattle has Downtown Fiction "I Just Wanna Run" in their Top 10. They're also the only CHR playing Pink's "Heartbreak Down"
Radio Now 100.9 Indianapolis has Mike Posner at number this week with "Bow Chicka Wow Wow"
92 Pro in Providence has Runner Runner Top 10 with "I Can't Wait (Be My Wife)"
107.5 KZL Greensboro has Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson "Don't You Wanna Stay" in the Top 10, and has increased spins for "Closer To The Edge" by Thirty Seconds To Mars, even though the song's moving down nationally.
107.5 The Q in Memphis has Santana's "Photograph" in its Top 10
There are plenty of successful CHRs that still spin Recurrents in high rotation.
106.1 Kiss FM Dallas put Edward Maya's "Stereo Love" back inside their Top 20.
Kiss 108 Boston still has Britney Spears "Hold It Against Me" and Ke$ha's "We R Who We Are" in its Top 20.
In fact, "Hold It Against Me" is Top 10 at 93.3 FLZ Tampa. FLZ also has "Club Can't Handle Me" by Flo Rida in the Top 20, and Edward Maya.
101.3 KDWB Minneapolis still has Avril Lavigne's "What The Hell" in its Top 20.
In fact, Z-100 Portland still has Avril in its Top 10, and Bruno Mars "Grenade" in its Top 20.
You brought up Kiss 95.1 Charlotte, which still has "Waiting For The End" by Linkin Park in its Top 10, and Pitbull's "Hey Baby". Amongst its Top 20 you can find Chrstina Perri's "Jar of Hearts" and Avril's "What The Hell".
G-105 Raleigh also has Avril in its Top 10, and My Chemical Romance is now Top 5 with "Sing" on WDCG even though it's moving down the CHR/Pop chart. Neon Trees "Animal" is Top 20 there.
96.5 Kiss FM Cleveland has Rhianna's "Only Girl" in its Top 20.
In your region stations such as Star 102.1 Knoxville, Star 104.3 Asheville, and 104.7 WNOK Columbia give high rotations to plenty of Recurrents.
So I'll base my conslusions on all of the information I've posted above, and couple that with the current playlist I see for B-93.7, as well as the fact that B-93.7 posted a 6.1 share, which is its highest share in some time (while Rhythmic Hot 98.1 is down to a 3.9, which may be its all-time low).
Conclusion: I really don't think B-93.7 is a hot mess, quite the opposite - its seems like a pretty focused and well-programmed CHR/Pop station.
OK, maybe I'm wrong, but it still doesn't appeal to me. I might be able to tolerate B more if they would ditch their ancient morning show and get some fresher talent.
Hot 98.1's numbers don't surprise me. Nothing about them stands out at all. Those are the worst numbers I have ever seen for them - they had been doing exceptionally well (6 shares, beating B)
Hot 98.1's numbers don't surprise me. Nothing about them stands out at all. Those are the worst numbers I have ever seen for them - they had been doing exceptionally well (6 shares, beating B)
carolinaradio said:For example, one of the most played songs with 61 plays on B93.7 is "If I Die Young" by The Band Perry - not even on the CHR chart.
B93.7 is actually the station that literally broke Taylor Swift - they had Teardrops On My Guitar in power rotation before anyone had ever heard of it on pop radio, and once her label saw how successful it was on that station, they recorded the pop remix that basically launched her career
What about Denver's Hot 107.1? They're ratings aren't high. Their signal doesn't even really cover Denver metro area does it? Why aren't their ratings that high?
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