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Stations moving?

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jras20

I see in the FCCInfo page Kj-97 has a app. to move to 96.9 as C1 class station, which right now they are at C, Wonder how well that will work over the skip season with KIOX el-campo? looks like a lot of multipaths to me. Also KHFI is expose to move to 96.5 as C3 class station (may be a problem with mix 96.5 in Houston). I gues one KJ-97 moves then 97.7 may have a chance of moving in. Wonder how this will effect the reception after all is done?
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jras20</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by jras20 on 07/08/05 02:25 PM.</FONT></P>
 
As long as KHFI moves over to 96.5, I don't see a KAJA move to 96.9 as being a problem. I see no reason to think that KHFI at 96.5 would be any more of the "threat" to KHMX than KLBJ is to KRRW (especially since KRRW is slightly directional). The towers are close to 170 miles apart.

A 97.3 signal would be nice to have as a citygrade in the Austin area.

Maybe my boy Kent has some comments on this possiblity. :)


> I see in the FCCInfo page Kj-97 has a app. to move to 96.9
> as C1 class station, which right now they are at C, Wonder
> how well that will work over the skip season with KIOX
> el-campo? looks like a lot of multipaths to me. Also KHFI
> is expose to move to 96.5 as C3 class station (may be a
> problem with mix 96.5 in Houston). I gues one KJ-97 moves
> then 97.7 may have a chance of moving in. Wonder how this
> will effect the reception after all is done?
>
 
The entire catalyst for KAJA's move is to allow for KWTX to move into the Austin market.

In order for that to happen, KAJA must move to 96.9, which would prompt KHFI to move to 96.5 so that KWTX can move to 97.3.

Bear in mind, all three of these stations are owned by Clear Channel.

Ironically, there used to be a 96.5 in Austin before the facilities were upgraded and moved to 96.7. It was after this (Spring 1990) that KHFI moved from 98.1 to 96.7 to make room for KVET.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by MRD on 07/08/05 07:07 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Question?

A couple of years ago(maybe more) 96.1 and 97.3 were suppose to move to other frequencies but nothing has happened. KLTO 97.7 is also suppose to move to the Tower of America with 97.3 moving to 96.9. Does anyone know when all this will take place?
 
Re: Question?

What's the point of moving all these stations? Just for one for frequency to come on the air? If you ask me, there are plenty of gaps already that wouldnt affect Austin or Houston.

> A couple of years ago(maybe more) 96.1 and 97.3 were suppose
> to move to other frequencies but nothing has happened. KLTO
> 97.7 is also suppose to move to the Tower of America with
> 97.3 moving to 96.9. Does anyone know when all this will
> take place?
>
 
> Ironically, there used to be a 96.5 in Austin before the
> facilities were upgraded and moved to 96.7.

The current 96.7 signal began as KGTN-FM 96.7, a Class A that signed on in 1972. In the mid-80's it moved to 96.5 and upgraded to a C2 under the KQFX calls. A few years later it moved back to 96.7 and upgraded to a C1...that was about the time the KHFI format and calls were relaunched on 96.7 after getting the axe on 98.1 which had been LMA'd out to KVET.

The 98.1 signal itself had been upgraded to a C1 in 1989, after 33 years as a Class A 0n 98.3, all under the KHFI calls.

There is no direct relationship between the old and new KHFI's, as far as station licenses go.
 
Re: Question?

> What's the point of moving all these stations? Just for one
> for frequency to come on the air? If you ask me, there are
> plenty of gaps already that wouldnt affect Austin or
> Houston.
>
> > A couple of years ago(maybe more) 96.1 and 97.3 were
> suppose
> > to move to other frequencies but nothing has happened.
> KLTO
> > 97.7 is also suppose to move to the Tower of America with
> > 97.3 moving to 96.9. Does anyone know when all this will
> > take place?
> >
>
The frequency changes doesn't effect Houston. It affects San Antonio and Austin.
 
Not moving...

> I see in the FCCInfo page Kj-97 has a app. to move to 96.9
> as C1 class station, which right now they are at C, Wonder
> how well that will work over the skip season with KIOX
> el-campo? looks like a lot of multipaths to me. Also KHFI
> is expose to move to 96.5 as C3 class station (may be a
> problem with mix 96.5 in Houston). I gues one KJ-97 moves
> then 97.7 may have a chance of moving in. Wonder how this
> will effect the reception after all is done?
>

The FCC doesn't show any applications for KAJA to move. In 2001, there was a proposal filed with the FCC to create a new Dallas/Fort Worth move-in on 97.5. That proposal was to move KLAK from 97.5C2 Durant OK to 97.5C Keller TX. To do it required a bunch of stations to shift and move -- most notably KWTX-FM from 97.5C Waco to 97.3C1 Lakeway (Austin). The proposal was shot down -- it got hung up on unbuilt KRZB 97.5 Archer City (Wichita Falls) moving to 93.9C1 as another D/FW move-in's from southern Oklahoma (KNOR 93.7) upgrade to 93.7C1 blocked it. The original application had errors in it -- KWTX-FM's proposed co-ordinates for its Austin tower was in the middle of the Colorado River.

KLAK is going to try to rim-shoot suburban north Dallas/Collin County via a move south (change city of license to the small town of Tom Bean TX in northern Collin County), but still as a C2. It's signal likely won't be much better than KHYI 95.3's in the market.

The proposed changes involved many Clear Channel outlets across several markets (KWTX-FM, KLFX 107.3->97.7 Nolanville, KHFI 96.7C1 Georgetown->96.5C2 Lago Vista, KZCD 94.1->94.3 Lawton OK). CC was a supporter of the FM table of allotment changes, which was interesting since it would introduce new FM competitors it can't own in Dallas and Austin and allowed for Univision's 97.7 to move basically into San Antonio (via Comverse) rather than rimshooting it (via McQueeny). For example, it would have created a new FM on 97.5 in D/FW where CC was/is maxed out on the number of FMs it can own. In Waco and Temple/Killeen, it would have lost a signal for them altogether. In Austin, it would have to sell off an existing FM or sell-off the moved KWTX-FM (and in either case, no improvement in facilities as KHFI was downgraded from a C1 to a C2 -- so it's not like they could have come out of this with a better facility in a a new C1 and sell off one of the C2s -- either 102.3 or 105.9).
 
Re: Question? Answer!

Does no one remember this deal?

This is part of the KLAK Durant, OK station move into north Texas. For this one station to move it affects stations all over central Texas and Oklahoma. There is still a NPRM with the FCC to change the table of allocations for all of these stations. IMHO this won't all happen though some of the moves would be a good idea.

This is from the NPRM as found on the FCC website:

http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Consumer_Information/Public_Notices/2001/pnci0147.txt

Report No. 2500 August 3, 2001

CONSUMER INFORMATION BUREAU
REFERENCE INFORMATION CENTER
PETITIONS FOR RULEMAKING FILED

Interested persons may file statements opposing or supporting the Petitions for Rulemaking listed herein within 30 days, or as noted. See Sections 1.4 and 1.405 of the Commission's rules for further information.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
RM NO. RULES SEC. PETITIONER DATE RECEIVED NATURE OF PETITION
10198* 73.202(b) First Broadcasting Company, L.P. 10/10/00
Rawhide Radio, L.L.C.
Next Media Licensing, Inc.
Capstar TX Limited Partnership
Clear Channel Broadcast Licenses, Inc.

(Filed for First Broadcasting and
Rawhide Radio, L.L.C. by
Mark N. Lipp & J. Thomas Nolan
Shook, Hardy & Bacon, LLP
600 14th Street, NW, Suite 800
Washington, D.C. 20005

Continued…
Filed for Next Media Licensing, Inc. byMatthew L. Leibowitz & Joseph A. Belisle
Leibowitz & Associates, PA
One Southeast Third Avenue
Suite 1450
Miami, Florida 33131-1715

Filed for Capstar TX Limited Partnership and
Clear Channel Broadcast Licenses, Inc. by
Nathniel F. Emmons & Gregory L. Masters
Wiley, Rein & Fielding
1776 K Street, NW
Washington, D.C. 20036)


Request Amendment of the FM Table of Allotments as Follows:

Delete Channel 248C2 at Durant, Oklahoma, and add Channel 248C at Keller, Texas, and modify Station KLAK license to specify operation on Channel 248C at Keller (33-26-13 and 97-29-05);
substitute Channel 230C1 for Channel 248C1 at Archer City, Texas, and modify the Station KRZB license to specify operation on Channel 248C1 (33-36-58 and 98-51-42);
substitute Channel 222C2 for Channel 230C2 at Seymour, Texas, and modify the Station KSEY license to specify operation on Channel 222C2 (33-35-59 and 99-18-42);
substitute Channel 298C2 for Channel 222C2 at Seymour, Texas (33-34-49 and 99-18-01);
substitute Channel 257A for Channel 297A at Knox City, Texas (33-25-03 and 99-40-16);
substitue Channel 296C3 for Channel 298C3 at Wellington, Texas (34-49-13 and 100-14-29);
substitute Channel 232C2 for Channel 231C2 at Lawton, Oklahoma, and modify the Station KZCD license to specify operation on Channel 232C2 (34-38-13 and 98-31-45);
substitute Channel 233C2 for Channel 232C3 at Elk City, Oklahoma, and modify the Station KXOO license to specify operation on Channel 233C2 (35-27-01 and 99-27-36);
add Channel 255C1 at Quanah, Texas (34-17-52 and 99-44-23); delete Channel 249C3 at Healdton, Oklahoma and add Channel 249 at Purcell, Oklahoma, and modify the Station KGOK license to specify operation on Channel 249A at Purcell (34-56-11 and 97-21-12);
delete Channel 239C1 at Ardmore, Oklahoma and add Channel 239C1 at Healdton, Oklahoma and modify the Station KKAJ license to specify operation on Channel 239C1 at Healdton (34-09-42 and 97-09-11);
delete Channel 248C at Waco, Texas and add Channel 247C1 at Lakeway, Texas and modify the Station KWTX license o specify operation on Channel 247C1 at Lakeway (30-18-27 and 97-46-46);
substitute Channel 245C1 for Channel 247C at San Antonio, Texas and modify the Station KAJA license to specify operation on Channel 245C1 (29-30-01 and 98-46-41);
delete Channel 244C1 at Georgetown, Texas and add Channel 243C2 at Lago Vista, Texas, and modify the Station KHFI license to specify operation on Channel 243C2 at Lago Vista (30-27-18 and 97-53-03);
substitute Channel 297A for Channel 242A at Llano, Texas and modify the Station KBAE license to specify operation on Channel 297A (30-43-40 and 98-36-43);
substitute Channel 249A for Channel 297A at Nolanville, Texas and modify the Station KLFX License to specify operation on Channel 249A (31-05-38 and 97-34-51);
delete Channel 249C1 at McQueeney, Texas and add Channel 249C1 at Converse, Texas and modify the Station KVCQ license to specify operation on Channel 249C1 at Convere (29-25-07 and 98-29-02);
substitute Channel 256A for Channel 243A at Ingram, Texas (30-04-30 and 99-14-06);
add Channel 232A at Flatonia, Texas (29-37-00 and 97-12-44);
substitute Channel 248C2 for Channel 225C2 at Marlin, Texas and modify the Station KLRK license to specify operation on Channel 248C2 (31-09-27 and 97-09-22);
substitute Channel 225C2 for Channel 248C2 at Waco, Texas and modify the Station KWTX license to specify operation on Channel 225C2 (31-30-51 and 97-11-43).
 
Re: Not moving...

Actually, it looks like there is a counterproposal to a proposed allotment to Fredricksburg. The counterproposal essentially involves the last half of the steps of the original proposal in 2000 (FCC MB Docket 00-148). It's apparently part of FCC MB Docket 05-112, which was a proposal by Katherine Pyeatt to allot channel 256C3 (99.1 FM) to Fredricksburg originally filed in March of this year. In order to keep in line with the existing proposal, it proposes allotting channel 256A to Ingram. Since it was filed this year, I don't think this new counterproposal has been dismissed yet. So, it looks like this saga has risen from the dead.

I would have to agree with you that it seems weird that Clear Channel would consent to such an arrangement as they don't get anything at all in return. The only thing I can figure is that they have a potential deal to swap some excess stations for some other properties they find more interesting. Since they're on a Hispanic format kick, I could see how a swap with Univision might be attractive, but there would still be very little Clear Channel could own. Of course, they wouldn't necessarily have to deal with Univision, even though they seem to be getting together on this proposal.

(Note: Edited to show Pyeatt's proposal to be 256C3 instead of 256A)
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Kent on 07/10/05 05:52 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Not moving...

I heard at one point Univision(then Hispanic) wasn't building out facilities for 97.7 because Clear Channel was supposed to get it in some sort of swap when it moved to the Tower of Americas. I don't know what the other end of the swap was to include.

The other thing that I've heard from friends at Lotus is that the master antennea project for the Tower will include room for 97.7 and that Clear Channel is picking up half of the bill. Lotus and Infinity pay the other half.

Losing one in Austin or Waco might be worth picking up a city grade in Market #30.

> I would have to agree with you that it seems weird that
> Clear Channel would consent to such an arrangement as they
> don't get anything at all in return. The only thing I can
> figure is that they have a potential deal to swap some
> excess stations for some other properties they find more
> interesting. Since they're on a Hispanic format kick, I
> could see how a swap with Univision might be attractive, but
> there would still be very little Clear Channel could own.
> Of course, they wouldn't necessarily have to deal with
> Univision, even though they seem to be getting together on
> this proposal.
>
> (Note: Edited to show Pyeatt's proposal to be 256C3 instead
> of 256A)
>
 
Re: Not moving...

> I heard at one point Univision(then Hispanic) wasn't
> building out facilities for 97.7 because Clear Channel was
> supposed to get it in some sort of swap when it moved to the
> Tower of Americas. I don't know what the other end of the
> swap was to include.

That would make better sense. I'd have to wonder what the other end of that swap would include. My guess is one of Clear Channel's Austin facilities would be swapped. Whatever the intent, Clear Channel probably isn't just doing this for its health.

> The other thing that I've heard from friends at Lotus is
> that the master antennea project for the Tower will include
> room for 97.7 and that Clear Channel is picking up half of
> the bill. Lotus and Infinity pay the other half.

Will the master antenna for the Tower also include KQXT? Its pretty much down the street right now, and the Tower is higher than the present KQXT antenna.

> Losing one in Austin or Waco might be worth picking up a
> city grade in Market #30.

Well, they could certainly make due with such a deal. After all, KWTX-FM 97.5's format could, and probably would, be moved to 95.7 or 102.5. They really wouldn't lose anything in Austin but one signal. They'd have exactly the same signal classes they had before, just different frequencies. Because they have WOAI-TV, they'd likely have to unload one radio station in San Antonio, but they could probably do that easily enough. They could just get rid of 810 or 92.5, and it would hardly affect them.
 
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