STATIONS SEEN ON THEIR CORRECT CABLE CHANNEL (EXAMPLE: CHANNEL 5 ON CHANNEL 5)

[gregg75]

Are there any cable areas where one or more channel is on the correct channel?

It seems in many areas (for some unknown reason) they are always off by at least one number (channel 8 is seen on cable channel 9). What is their logic in putting channel 8 on cable channel 9?

Don't include Dish or DirecTV.

 

[spencerkarter85]

When I had boring cable before going satellite in 2004 I had Northland.

4 is WYFF
7 is WSPA
10 is WIS (out of Columbia, SC)
13 is WLOS

While WFBC/WBSC (now WMYA 40) is on 6 and WASV (now WYCW 62) is on 8 and WGGS 16 is on 11 and last WHNS 21 on channel 12. Non-commercial station we had only is WNEH 38 (SCETV/PBS) on channel 2.

 

[borderblaster]

The logic of putting local VHFs on a different channel during analog days was that homes close to the tower would pick up the over-the-air signal along with the signal from the cable system and they'd interfere with each other (usually with a ghost image). Usually something with very little viewership would be on the actual over-the-air spots on the cable system...maybe even the community access channel.

That being said...in Dayton, Ohio WHIO has stayed on their actual 7 on most systems. WDTN was moved from 2 to 9 in the greater Dayton area, remaining on 2 further out.

 

[RadioPhillyFan]

CBS 3 in Philly.
ABC 6
NBC 10...

You get the point.

 

[MCarney]

Comcast in the Boston area has the historical VHF channels on their channel #s:

2 - WGBH
4 - WBZ
5 - WCVB
7 - WHDH

The UHF stations were dispersed around the lower part of the dial between channels 10-22.

 

[e-dawg]

Major Cities in the West Coast Cable matches OTA analog Channels.

San Francisco - Comcast KTVU 2, KRON 4, KPIX 5, KGO 7, KQED 9 execpt KNTV 11 is on cable 3
Sacramento - Comcast KCRA 3, KVIE 6, KXTV 10, KOVR 13
Los Angeles - Time Warner KCBS 2, KNBC 4, KTLA 5, KABC 7, KCAL 9, KTTV 11, KCOP 13
Portland - Comcast KATU 2, KOIN 6, KGW 8, KOPB 10, KPTV 12
Seattle - Comcast KOMO 4, KING 5, KIRO 7, KCTS 9, KSTW 11, KCPQ 13
San Diego - COX XETV 6, KFMB 8, KGTV 10, XEWT 12

 

[wncc]

the cable system I grew up had all the VHF's on their proper channel (now Charter Cable)

3-WBTV (CBS) Charlotte, NC
5-WCYB (NBC) Bristol, VA
8-WGHP (ABC) High Point, NC (this was before New World, now WKPT, Kingsport, TN is on that channel)
9-WSOC (ABC) Charlotte, NC
11-WJHL (CBS) Johnson City, TN
12-WXII (NBC) Winston-Salem, NC (now QVC replaced by WCNC on channel 6)

Interestingly found that 3,5,9, and 11 are still at the same spot in the lineup with WHKY on Channel 14 (which was their analog channel).

 

[Darth_vader]

Re: STATIONS SEEN ON THEIR CORRECT CABLE CHANNEL

(Continuing e-dawg's post...)

Vancouver - Comca$t; KATU (2), KOIN (6), KGW (8), KOPB (10), KPTV (12)

KATU was flipped to channel 4 at the start of the AT&T era for unknown reasons, but was flipped back to 2 about a year into the Comca$t era. I seem to remember Paragon (in Portland) also doing that for a little while in the 90s, probably until enough people complained.

 

[nathannah]

Almost all my channels on Charter in Wisconsin share their same channel numbers, mainly because the Lake Michigan cities mostly have their affiliates on VHF. The only ones that aren't are all higher UHF stations which wouldn't be logical to 'neighborhood' channels, so...

Charter mid-Wisconsin
WBAY - 2/2 (ABC GB)
WMVT - 3/36 (PBS MKE; 16 on Time Warner systems)
WTMJ - 4/4 (NBC MKE)
WFRV - 5/5 (CBS GB)
WITI - 6/6 (FOX MKE)
WPXE - 7/55 (ION MKE; joined in 1999. On 15 for Time Warner customers)
WDJT - 9/58 (CBS MKE; joined in 1995 after the big CBS/Fox switch, so it had to be squashed somewhere. Usually it's universally on 5 throughout the Milwaukee metro.)
WMVS - 10/10 (PBS MKE)
WLUK - 11/11 (FOX GB)
WISN - 12/12 (ABC MKE)
WPNE - 13/38 (PBS GB; moved from 38 after a 2000 channel re-mapping after our system ditched the A/B switch system)
WVCY - 15/30 (REL MKE; wedged in last year after they asserted must-carry after Charter and forerunners never offered any channel space to them)
WGBA - 16/26 (NBC GB; moved from 26 after the 2000 re-map)
WVTV - 18/18 (CW MKE)
WBME - 19/49 (METV MKE; joined in 2008; universally Channel 19 throughout the market, and one of only a few full-power ME-TV stations)
WMLW - 21/41 (IND MKE; joined in 2001, bumping WGN America to 17 and TV Guide to Channel 89)
WCGV - 24/24 (MYN MKE)
Univision's on cable channel 69, national cable feed
WYTU - 965/63 (TMD MKE; late addition to Charter, digital-only)

 

[MarcB]

The logic of putting local VHFs on a different channel during analog days was that homes close to the tower would pick up the over-the-air signal along with the signal from the cable system and they'd interfere with each other (usually with a ghost image). Usually something with very little viewership would be on the actual over-the-air spots on the cable system...maybe even the community access channel.

COMCAST where I live (Bristol, Connecticut), which was United Artists Cable back in the day had WFSB Channel 3 on Channel 2 because of this. Channel 3 was Prevue Guide. Later Channel 3 became what TCI Cable called "Color Check" which was just color bars meant for you to make sure the colors on your TV were set correctly. Then NESN - New England Sports Network went from being a Pay Channel to a basic cable channel and they occupied Channel 3. After complaints they swapped Sneak Prevue the Prevue Guide's Pay-Per-View Preview channel and NESN with NESN ending up on Channel 10. Later still they eventually left Channel 3 as an empty channel, which was what it was like when I moved into my apartment and became a Comcast subscriber in April 2009. A few months after the analog shut-down they moved WFSB to Channel 3. Channel 2 was removed all together (though if you disconnect the digital box there's color bars on Channel 2. (Don't know if its the same as the color bars on Channel 102 with the box).

Channel 69 also became a problem in 1997 when they revived WHCT (now WUVN) Channel 18 from the dead. Same issue. Ghosting.

COX in Meriden when they rebuilt the system after they bought it from Dimensions (sic) put WFSB Channel 3 on Channel 2 and WTNH Channel 8 on Channel 7. The 3 towns they serve are closer to New Haven (where Channel 8 is based out of), so the ghosting was worse. Channel 3 was COX-3 later renamed COX Sports Television (mostly infomercials) and Channel 8 was WSAH Channel 43 out of Bridgeport which was the flagship station of The Shop-At-Home Network. After the analog shut down they too moved WFSB from 2 to 3 and put COX Sports Television on 2. WTNH however remained on Channel 7. Now there's nothing on Channel 2. The moved COX Sports TV to Channel 128. And Channel 8 is now HSN. WSAH (Now a mix of ME-TV and Infomercials) moving to Digital only Channel 75.

 

[crainbebo]

Comcast, Bellevue, WA

4-KOMO 4 (ABC)
5-KING 5 (NBC)
7-KIRO 7 (CBS)
9-KCTS (PBS)
11-KSTW (CW)
13-KCPQ (Fox) are all on correct channels. Other locals (like ION, KBTC, etc) are on different channels.

-crainbebo

 

[trapper12]

WCYB Bristol channel 5
WJHL Johnson City channel 11
WATE Knoxville channel 6
WVLT Knoxville channel 8
WBIR Knoxville channel 10 on the majority of systems that I have dealt with.
WOWK Huntington WV channel 13 again on the majority of systems.
WCHS Charleston WV channel 8
WSAZ Huntington WV channel 3

 

[borderblaster]

In Knoxville on Comcast, WATE 6 is on 13, WVLT 8 is on 5, and WBIR 10 is on 9.(of course all of these channels are virtual now)

 

[LKellerIII]

Comcast in San Francisco does this correctly - 2 is on 2, 4 on 4, 5 on 5, etc. Even the Hi Def channels follow this rule, so HD 2 is 702, HD5 is 705, etc. The UHF channels remain on the same cable channels they have had for decades.

The only exception is NBC "Bay Area," broadcast channel 11, which is on Cable 3. But as I understand it, that was at the request of NBC.

 

[nathannah]

The only exception is NBC "Bay Area," broadcast channel 11, which is on Cable 3. But as I understand it, that was at the request of NBC.

If NBC had their way it would've actually been on 11, but before they bought the station, Granite Broadcasting tried to brand it as "NBC 3" upon the NBC relaunch and had it moved to 3 near-universal. However, KCRA in Sacramento is on the real Channel 3 and both them and NBC complained about confusion, so when NBC took over, they killed the "NBC 3" branding immediately and bumped it to "NBC 11", then "NBC Bay Area". But they're stuck with the 3 cable slot, which they can't move now (and wouldn't because they control the main Bay Area cable systems in Comcast now).

Of course in San Diego NBC embraces the false cable channel branding with "NBC 7/39" for obvious reasons.

 

[KML0224]

The interference mentioned earlier was due to something called ingress. Like MarcB said, that is the biggest reason why WFSB-TV (CBS) channel 3 of Hartford was always on cable channel 2 in the old analog days. WTNH-TV (ABC) channel 8 of New Haven was always on analog cable channel 8 here in southern Hartford County. Their Hamden transmitter site was far enough away from our system's head end, so it was never a problem. WUVN-TV (UNI) channel 18 of Hartford was on analog cable channel 18 when they came back on the air in the late 1990s (they were forced off the air in the spring of 1991).

Of course, with digital broadcasting , that really isn't a problem now. At this point for the few customers in New Britain and Hartford still using an analog lineup, the so-called "matches" are 3 on 3, 8 on 8 and 18 on 18. That will change shortly, once Comcast sheds the old analog line-up for good in April. Hopefully, it'll make WCTX-TV (MY) channel 59 of New Haven rethink about calling their station MY-TV 9, since it was on analog cable channel 9 in much of the market.

@MRSCHIMPF: That's why I hate the branding of MY-TV 9 here in Connecticut. Go an hour and change down I-95 from New Haven and what do you have? Yes...WWOR-TV (MY) channel 9 of Secaucus, NJ/New York City.

 

[Poledo]

I assume this is normal all across the US but I'll post anyway. Down here in the Mobile/Pensacola DMA, AT&T UVerse has the local channels on their real PSIP channel numbers... for the most part.

WEAR ABC 3 = 3 / HD=1003
WDPM Daystar 4 = Not Carried
WKRG CBS 5 = 5 / HD=1005
WALA Fox 10 = 10 / HD=1010
WFNA CW 55 = 12 / HD=1012
WPMI NBC 15 = 15 / HD=1015
WMPV TBN 21 = 21
WSRE PBS 23 = 23 / HD=1023
WHBR CTN 33 = 33
WFGX MY 35 = 35 / HD=1035
WPAN Ind 53 = 40
WEIQ PBS 42 = 42 / HD=1042
WJTC Ind 44 = 44
WFBD BLAB 48 = Not Carried
WAWD Tourist Info 58 = Not Carried

Daystar affiliate WDPM is not carried for some reason, I guess the OTA station may be a simulcast of the cable Daystar station already on UVerse? WDPM's digital allotment is 23 and is supposed to be using PSIP 31 but they have been using PSIP 4 since they signed on... when they aren't off the air.

I see where WFNA wanted to be on a low number, channel 12, as they are co-owned with WALA Fox 10. WFNA does use 55 as their OTA PSIP channel #.

Independent WPAN channel 53 has never broadcast a PSIP number OTA and has dropped all channel number branding. Their digital allotment channel is 40 and they wound up on UVerse channel 40.

WJTC channel 44 has no HD coverage on UVerse... Which sucks because they carry SEC network sports in HD among other HD programs. Being Co-Owned with NBC 15 I would think they should have the pull to get an HD channel on UVerse, their engineer tells me otherwise, "no network = no HD channel."

No LPTV stations are carried and no sub-channels are carried on UVerse here either, and we have a bunch of those.

 

[Mainedude2007]

The logic of putting local VHFs on a different channel during analog days was that homes close to the tower would pick up the over-the-air signal along with the signal from the cable system and they'd interfere with each other (usually with a ghost image). Usually something with very little viewership would be on the actual over-the-air spots on the cable system...maybe even the community access channel.

Bangor Maine's (which now serves most of Eastern and Downeast Maine) cable lineup has always been this way, NBC 2 is on 3, CBS 5 on 6, ABC 7 on 8 and PBS 12 on 13 with public access on 2 5 7 & 12, although the UHF Pax/ion affiliate eventually took over the Channel 12 position.

 

[Bob1370]

In Rochester, NY the traditional VHFs have always been carried on Time Warner Cable on their traditional OTA channel #...

WROC (CBS) on Channel 8
WHEC (NBC) on Channel 10
WHAM (ABC) on Channel 13

WHEC and WHAM are still physically transmitting OTA on their traditional channels as well, in the digital era, although WROC has moved (at least for now) up to physical channel 45 OTA.
The other full power channels in town were moved down to lower channels; WXXI (virtual 21, physical 16) is on cable 11, WUHF (virtual 31, physical 28) is on cable 7.

 

[KeyTimes950]

Pittsburgh has channels positioned in quite a few places on Comcast.

In Westmoreland County, KDKA-2 (CBS-owned) is on Channel 2, WTAE-4 (Hearst, ABC) on Channel 3, WINP-16 (ION-owned) on Channel 4, WPGH-53 (Sinclair, FOX) on Channel 7, WQED-13 (WQED, PBS) on Channel 9, WPMY-22 (Sinclair, MyTV) on Channel 10 (this is a common placing for My-TV Pittsburgh on quite a few systems), WPCB-40 (Cornerstone, religious) on Channel 11, WPXI-11 (Cox, NBC) on Channel 12 and WPCW-19 (CBS-owned, CW) on Channel 15.

In Monroeville, on a former Adelphia system, WINP-16 uses Channel 16, but WPCW is on 2, KDKA 3, WTAE 5, WPGH 6, WPCB 9, WPMY 10, WPXI 12 and WQED 14.

In Pittsburgh proper, it's WINP 4, WPCB 5, KDKA 6, WPGH 7, WTAE 8, WQED 9, WPMY 10, WPXI 12 and WPCW 15.

Of course, one also has to consider the digital lineup where there is some confusion of another sort. WPCW uses RF channel 11, WPXI's old analog position. WBGN, a regional independent not carried by Comcast, uses RF 16, WINP/WQEX's former analog slot, but is seen on digital channel 59 in Allegheny County.

WQED-13 has its old analog 13 position for digital broadcasting.

On FiOS, the lineup is KDKA-2 on 2, WPCW-19 on 3, WTAE-4 on 4, WPCB-40 on 5, WPGH-53 on 7, Pittsburgh Cable News Channel (WPXI's round-the-clock news outlet) on 9 (Comcast usually puts it around Channel 35), WPMY-22 on 10, WPXI-11 on 11, WQED-13 on 13 and WBGN on 22.