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Stations that carried Atlanta Braves baseball, pre-satellite/TBS

Looking at bpatrick's recent post about a North Georgia TV Guide sked on a summer Sunday in 1974, I would like to find out how many stations throughout the Southeastern U.S. carried Atlanta Braves baseball games on that team's regional network from the late 1960s to the late 1970s. (Yes, I am a Braves fan myself)

This question is significant in that a drawing card for the team to move from Milwaukee was the potential for the Braves to have the largest territorial fan base in all of the Major Leagues. Having a team in Atlanta meant that radio and TV stations in not only Georgia, but also the Carolinas, Alabama, Florida, and most of Tennessee and Mississippi, would be more than eager to sign up for the games of the Deep South's first-ever pro sports franchise. By contrast, in Milwaukee, only stations in Wisconsin and perhaps the Upper Peninsula of Michigan were able to carry games because of the Chicago teams to the south and the Minnesota Twins to the west (which actually had western Wisconsin in its territory, meaning that the Braves only had a loyal following in certain portions of the state).

So, when the team packed up and moved south after the 1965 season (after a one-year court-enforced delay), retired Braves player and then-broadcaster Ernie Johnson, Sr. came along. A Chicago White Sox announcer during the early 1960s, Milo Hamilton, joined him in the broadcast booth. According to Charles1, who posted on this topic in March 2007, one worked the radio broadcast and the other TV, if the game was televised. Wikipedia and other sources claim that Larry Munson, who up until that time was a Nashville sportscaster, announced games for the first two months in 1966 before opting to take the job most know him for today: play-by-play man of University of Georgia football.

WSB radio and TV, the dominant stations in both media in Atlanta at the time, acquired broadcast rights, and WSB radio aired the games for ages until sometime in the early 2000s. The TV station, an NBC affil, presumably aired Sunday afternoon games and, probably during the summer rerun season in July and August, one game on a weeknight (usually Fridays, from the listings I have seen).

However, in the 1972-73 offseason, a struggling UHF station owner by the name of Robert E. Turner III managed to somehow beat out the seemingly esconced WSB-TV to get the rights for his unaffiliated WTCG, channel 17. This was a grand coup at the time; although many teams had been shown on independents in their home markets for years, all of them were larger than Atlanta, making this a tremendous gamble. With fans’ attentions firmly fixed on Hank Aaron’s chase to topple Babe Ruth, few if any could imagine what was in store in the next several years.

First off, Ted Turner began exporting his station to cable TV systems by microwave relay in not only outlying parts of Georgia, but nearby Alabama and South Carolina also, giving some fans whose local stations did not carry the syndication package a direct line to their team. This was so successful that, in fact, some former affiliates had dropped coverage by 1975, due to WTCG’s presence on local cable in their areas.

In the meantime, things did not look too good, though, as the attendance at Atlanta Stadium fell precipitously after Aaron hit #715 in April 1974. Things got so bad that Milo Hamilton denounced the team on-air in 1975. Needless to say, at the end of the season, he got his walking papers. But not long afterward, so did conventional ownership of the team, as Turner approached his friend, owner Bill Bartholomay, about buying him out. Now things really turned risky. But the Bicentennial year would justify Turner’s foolhardiness and elevate him from a local up-and-comer to a national hero.

To replace Hamilton, Turner decided to expand the broadcast booth to three voices, bringing in a Norfolk, Va. minor-league announcer, Pete Van Wieren, and one with a family baseball heritage but who had originally come to Atlanta to announce Hawks pro basketball games, Skip Caray. Ernie Johnson stayed on and headed the broadcast operation. Although the team’s record didn’t improve in 1976, its profile did the following year.

For in the offseason, Turner, in a first for broadcasting, put WTCG’s signal onto a satellite in outer space, and cable systems outside the South began carrying his station. Finally TV had broken the limits of a terrestrial signal; the cable revolution had begun. By the next season, loads of cable systems were signing up for this Atlanta station, as an alternative to the Big Three. The Braves profited mightily from this, to the point where syndication to local Southern stations became superfluous, and the team became the first to discontinue broadcasting its games on traditional TV stations outside its home market. By the 1980s, people everywhere in the U.S. followed the team, thanks to WTCG’s/WTBS’/TBS’ coverage of nearly all games.

Johnson retired at the end of the millenium, Van Wieren until 2008, and Caray became as familiar to Southern listeners and viewers as his father Harry had in the Midwest, until his untimely death during the 2008 season.

Below is a list of stations that I have determined to carry Braves games, from the move to Atlanta in ’66 to Turner’s move to WTCG-only coverage circa 1978. These have been gathered from previous posts and from my TV Guide collection. If any of you know of any other stations, please post, and if you have memories of Johnson, Hamilton, Caray, or Van Wieren, share them with us too.

Alabama:
Anniston (40) WHMA, CBS; early 1970s
Birmingham (13) WAPI, NBC; late 1960s
Birmingham (42) WBMG, CBS; early 1970s
Decatur (23) WMSL, NBC/ABC; late 1960s
Dothan (4) WTVY, CBS; mid-1970s
Florence (15) WOWL, NBC; late 1960s
Huntsville (31) WAAY, NBC; early 1970s
Montgomery (20) WCOV, CBS; mid-1970s
Tuscaloosa (33) WCFT, CBS, early 1970s

Florida:
Jacksonville (17) WJKS, ABC; early, mid-1970s
Orlando (35) WSWB, Ind.; mid-1970s
Panama City (7) WJHG, ABC; mid-1970s
St. Petersburg (44) WTOG, Ind.; mid-1970s

Georgia:
Atlanta (2) WSB, NBC; 1966-72 (first flagship)
Atlanta (17) WTCG, Ind.; 1973-present (second flagship; now WPCH)
Augusta (6) WJBF, ABC; mid-1970s
Columbus (38) WYEA, NBC; early 1970s
Macon (13) WMAZ, CBS; late 1960s/early 1970s
Macon (41) WCWB, NBC; mid-1970s
Savannah (22) WJCL, ABC; mid-1970s

North Carolina:
Charlotte (9) WSOC, NBC; late 1960s/early 1970s (sister station, then and now, of flagship WSB)
Charlotte (36) WRET, Ind.; 1973-78 (of course, WTCG's sister owned by Ted Turner; like WSOC above, it had no choice but to carry the games)
Durham (11) WTVD, CBS; mid-1970s
Greensboro (2) WFMY, CBS; early 1970s
Raleigh (5) WRAL, ABC; early 1970s

South Carolina:
Columbia (10) WIS, NBC, early 1970s
Greenville (4) WFBC, NBC; early 1970s
Spartanburg (7) WSPA, CBS; mid-1970s

Tennessee:
Chattanooga (3) WRCB, NBC; early 1970s
Kingsport (19) WKPT, ABC; mid-1970s
Knoxville (10) WBIR, CBS; early 1970s
Knoxville (26) WTVK, ABC; mid-1970s
Nashville (4) WSM, NBC; late 1960s
Nashville (8) WSIX, ABC; early 1970s
 
While thinking, several markets came to mind:

Miami-Fort Lauderdale
Charleston, South Carolina
Wilmington, North Carolina
Tallahassee, Florida
any stations in Mississippi
Mobile, Alabama/Pensacola, Florida

Anybody know about those places?
 
WDBO (now WKMG), Ch. 6 in Orlando, carried
Braves games in the late '60s. I don't recall
Braves games being aired in Wilmington; in
Charlotte, WSOC had them in the late '60s,
with the switch to WRET by the time Turner
began airing the games on Ch. 17 in Atlanta.
In Greensboro, WFMY was carrying them in the
mid-'70s (WXII, oddly enough, had Cincinnati
Reds games, being by that time a sister station
to WLWT), and you mentioned first WTVD, then
WRAL, in Raleigh. I also don't recall the Braves
being carried in Greenville/New Bern/Washington;
you're starting to get into Baltimore Orioles country
when you get into eastern North Carolina.

I also don't recall who, if anyone, carried the
games in Mobile or Tallahassee. Until 1976 there
was only one commercial station in Tallahassee,
WCTV, Ch. 6, so if any station there had them it
had to be that one.
 
Mike Stroud said:
By contrast, in Milwaukee, only stations in Wisconsin and perhaps the Upper Peninsula of Michigan were able to carry games because of the Chicago teams to the south and the Minnesota Twins to the west (which actually had western Wisconsin in its territory, meaning that the Braves only had a loyal following in certain portions of the state).
...and, as I recall, the Twins also had Central Wisconsin, with WKOW-TV/27 Madison (and WAOW/9 Wausau when that station cranked up). After the Braves left Milwaukee, I know WFRV/5 Green Bay carried Cubs games from WGN-TV/9 Chicago, and WVTV/18 Milwaukee carried White Sox games from WGN-TV and WFLD/32 Chicago...
 
Mike Stroud said:
While thinking, several markets came to mind:

Miami-Fort Lauderdale
Charleston, South Carolina
Wilmington, North Carolina
Tallahassee, Florida
any stations in Mississippi
Mobile, Alabama/Pensacola, Florida

Anybody know about those places?

I think Richmond, VA also had a few games shown in the early 70s. At least that's what my admittedly fallible memory seems to recall. The AAA Richmond Braves have long enjoyed a solid following there and the Braves were the de facto favorite team in that area when I was a kid. They probably still are. The Senators (before they left) and the Orioles, not so much. At the time, it seemed to me that the Braves were considered the South's team and that was pre-TBS.

I'd also wonder about the VA Tidewater area being a potential market for some Braves broadcasts.
 
If I'm not mistaken, WTVZ/33 was the Orioles
station in the '80s and '90s. My question would
be: do people in Norfolk and Richmond follow the
Washington Nationals (I wonder why they would,
since they have the worst record in major-league
baseball at this point)?

My point re eastern North Carolina is that you're
on the fringes of Baltimore coverage; they're not
actually carried there, but that seems to be where
the two teams' fan base begins to overlap. There
are also Washington Redskins fans down there who
have never converted to the Carolina Panthers, even
though FOX14 in Greenville and FOX8 in Morehead City
carry the Panthers. Once you get into northeastern
North Carolina and into the Norfolk DMA, all bets are off.
Most of those counties, in the Norfolk DMA, are
going to see Washington and Baltimore teams
(even our CBS affiliates in Greensboro and Raleigh
show the Ravens, and we're in the heart of Panthers
country--needless to say, the Panthers clobber the
Ravens in the local ratings).

Keep in mind, though, that once the Braves got on
satellite, they picked up fans as far away as Valdez,
Alaska, so it's hard to generalize about who roots for
whom (personal note: I was a Cubs fan when Harry
Caray was living and Andre Dawson was their power
hitter--even went to Wrigley Field once to see the
Cubs play the Braves--and that would not have happened
if I didn't have WGN).

Re Mobile: I keep thinking that at one time WEAR carried
the Braves but my memory may be hazy. Someone on
this discussion site (not me) occasionally posts retro
Mobile/Pensacola/Biloxi schedules and perhaps can straighten
me out on this.
 
Keep in mind that the Washington Redskins have always enjoyed a larger regional fan base in VA and NC than any of the other Washington sports teams.

When I lived in Richmond, I can assure you that the Braves were the number one team with the Orioles being a distant second. We actually moved there from the No. VA area and I remember being amazed at the different sports tastes in the area. Just not sure if that's still the case. Things change.
 
BRNout said:
Mike Stroud said:
While thinking, several markets came to mind:

Miami-Fort Lauderdale
Charleston, South Carolina
Wilmington, North Carolina
Tallahassee, Florida
any stations in Mississippi
Mobile, Alabama/Pensacola, Florida

Anybody know about those places?

I think Richmond, VA also had a few games shown in the early 70s. At least that's what my admittedly fallible memory seems to recall. The AAA Richmond Braves have long enjoyed a solid following there and the Braves were the de facto favorite team in that area when I was a kid. They probably still are. The Senators (before they left) and the Orioles, not so much. At the time, it seemed to me that the Braves were considered the South's team and that was pre-TBS.

I'd also wonder about the VA Tidewater area being a potential market for some Braves broadcasts.


During the 1981 MLB strike, WTBS aired the Richmond Braves in place of the Atlanta Braves.
 
I remember when WTBS carried the Richmond Braves in lieu of the Atlanta Braves in 1981. Contential Cablevision of Richmond did not carry WTBS at that time. Being a sub-50 DMA they could only carry two out of market indies---of course those were WTTG and WDCA. They did get a special waiver from the FCC to carry the Richmond Braves games from TBS, but none of the other programing. I don't think WTBS came full-time to Richmond TV screens until about 1986. WTTG was dropped at that time---WDCA stayed on the local cable system until the early 90s.
 
OK, this makes sense, with the Braves' Triple-A
farm club in Richmond. I was merely saying that
a local independent in Norfolk carried Orioles games,
while I can't think of one (possibly WAVY) that
carried the Braves; I know I moved from Norfolk
to Greenville, SC, in 1968, and that was the first
time I ever heard Milo Hamilton, Ernie Johnson, et. al.

But here's one you won't believe: a few years back
DirecTV gave us the Orioles on Home Team Sports
and blacked out the Braves. I'm in central North
Carolina and DirecTV blacks out the Braves! Unreal!
At least we have the Braves channel now...and if
only they could put together a winning streak (but
I digress).
 
WUSN in Charleston carried the Braves games in 1969, as they also aired on WCTV in Tallahassee, WLCY (10) in St. Petersburg, WEAR in Pensacola, WCKT (7) in Miami, and WDBO in Orlando. WTVX in Fort Pierce also carried the games. The news came from the Rome News-Tribune.

I don't know what station in Wilmington had them, but WTCG was picked up in the Wilmington area from almost the moment it was on satellite, as I believe it was sent via microwave into the Wilmington cable system until they went satellite.
 
One update: WZTV, channel 17 in Nashville, Tennessee (now a FOX affil), had begun operations in March 1976, and the following month, during the first week of the MLB season, the station ran a Braves game on Sunday, April 11 (opponent San Diego). Ernie Johnson was the only sportscaster listed; it may well have been that Ted Turner had not finalized his hires of Skip Caray and Pete Van Wieren by that point. One must presume that WZTV carried the entire season of WTCG-fed broadcasts.

However, in subsequent years, WZTV became the southernmost affiliate of the WLWT-originated Cincinnati Reds network (Cincinnati and Atlanta are about equal distances from Nashville), probably prompted by the Big Red Machine's consecutive world championships in 1975 and 1976. One other factor, of course, was the appearance of WTCG on middle Tennessee cable systems, via either the microwave relay from Georgia or, after December 1976, the satellite. I have no idea about cable penetration in that area, so that is only a guess, but it appears that Braves games lasted only a season on WZTV; the Reds affiliation, by contrast, ran until about 1980, when that team was on a rapid downswing.
 
Mike Stroud said:
However, in subsequent years, WZTV became the southernmost affiliate of the WLWT-originated Cincinnati Reds network (Cincinnati and Atlanta are about equal distances from Nashville), probably prompted by the Big Red Machine's consecutive world championships in 1975 and 1976. One other factor, of course, was the appearance of WTCG on middle Tennessee cable systems, via either the microwave relay from Georgia or, after December 1976, the satellite. I have no idea about cable penetration in that area, so that is only a guess, but it appears that Braves games lasted only a season on WZTV; the Reds affiliation, by contrast, ran until about 1980, when that team was on a rapid downswing.

Not to slightly change the subject again, but did any Nashville stations carry any St. Louis Cardinals games in the past (of course, the Redbirds still have a strong following into western Tennessee and into the Memphis area)--both before and/or after the move of the Braves from Milwaukee to Atlanta?
 
Tim from Springfield said:
Not to slightly change the subject again, but did any Nashville stations carry any St. Louis Cardinals games in the past (of course, the Redbirds still have a strong following into western Tennessee and into the Memphis area)--both before and/or after the move of the Braves from Milwaukee to Atlanta?

Tim, I don't know about before 1965, but I have seen a listing for a Cardinals game (via KSD) on Nashville ABC affil WNGE in 1974. WNGE had been carrying Braves games prior to that time (and may well have alternated Cardinals and Braves telecasts on Sunday that year). I suspect this only lasted a single season, despite the obvious belief on station management's part that some fans in western Kentucky might take a strong interest.

Strangely enough, that same edition of TV Guide had Tupelo, Mississippi's WTWV (now WTVA, an NBC affil) carrying, of all teams, the WGN broadcasts of the Chicago Cubs! I wonder about that arrangement ...

As far as Memphis goes, when I was in college at Memphis State (now University of Memphis) between 1988 and 1991, WMKW, channel 30, the FOX affiliate, carried the KPLR-originated games with Ken Wilson and Al Hrabosky. I enjoyed them, although to me, they would have been a hell of a lot better with Jack Buck and Mike Shannon, who did the 1974 game listed above, apparently as a simulcast with KMOX radio.

This might be a good thread to launch yourself, about all the stations that carried the KSD feed back in the day.
 
Ultimajock said:
Mike Stroud said:
By contrast, in Milwaukee, only stations in Wisconsin and perhaps the Upper Peninsula of Michigan were able to carry games because of the Chicago teams to the south and the Minnesota Twins to the west (which actually had western Wisconsin in its territory, meaning that the Braves only had a loyal following in certain portions of the state).
...and, as I recall, the Twins also had Central Wisconsin, with WKOW-TV/27 Madison (and WAOW/9 Wausau when that station cranked up). After the Braves left Milwaukee, I know WFRV/5 Green Bay carried Cubs games from WGN-TV/9 Chicago, and WVTV/18 Milwaukee carried White Sox games from WGN-TV and WFLD/32 Chicago...

The White Sox played a few games a year in Milwaukee in 1967 & '68, in a half-hearted effort to explore a move there, so that explains why WVTV carried them at the time.

Another (very) short-lived White Sox broadcaster was WURD Ch. 40 Indianapolis. The station owner, a local preacher, was a huge Sox fan and got the rights for his station (which I don't think were too costly given how bad the Sox were in the late '60s & early '70s. IIRC, they carried exactly one game in 1971 before the station went dark.
 
>>The White Sox played a few games a year in Milwaukee in 1967 & '68, in a half-hearted effort to explore a move there, so that explains why WVTV carried them at the time.>>

Arthur Allen wanted to sell the Sox to Bud Selig (pre-Brewers) but Allen's brother John vetoed the deal and kept the Sox in Chicago.
 
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