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Stations that shared time

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This was far more common in radio than TV, but there were a few over the years:

KOY-TV (Ind.) & KOOL-TV (ABC) Ch. 10 Phoenix, AZ (1953-54)
WTCN-TV & WMIN-TV Ch. 11 (both ABC) Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN (1953-55)
WHB-TV & KMBC-TV (both CBS) Ch. 9 Kansas City, MO ('50s - WHB-TV was dark by '57)
WMSB (Educ.) & WILX-TV (NBC) Ch. 10 East Lansing/Jackson, MI (1959-1972)
WPWR-TV (English Ind.) & WBBS-TV (Spanish Ind.) Ch. 60 Aurora/Chicago, IL (1982-1985)

Any more?
 
I think there was one in Rochester, New York between WHEC and WVET, with the former eventually buying-out the latter. I believe they shared the CBS affiliation, given they shared the same channel.

And in London, the ITV (commercial TV) channel has been shared between two companies from the begining, but in this arrangement, one company has weekdays, the other weekends. With weekday franchisee Carlton and weekend franchisee London Weekend Television (a division of Granada) now under the same ownership (as ITV Plc.), there is no longer an on-air distinction between the two, although technically, ITV London is still a share-time arrangement between "Carlton" (wee hours of Monday morning until late Friday afternoon) and "London Weekend Television" (Late Friday afternoon until the wee hours of Monday mornings).

From the time ITV came to those regions until 1968, the ITV channels in Northern England and the Midlands of England were shared by two franchisees on a similar weekday/weekend split, but the weekend franchisee was not on the air on Friday evenings (neither was the original ITV weekend franchisee for London). The weekend ITV franchisees in London, Northern England, and the Midlands were on the air only from Saturday morning until late Sunday night.
 
> And in London, the ITV (commercial TV) channel has been
> shared between two companies from the begining, but in this
> arrangement, one company has weekdays, the other weekends.

That is not exactly the same thing as the shared-time agreements here, though. ITV has the "license" and negotiates between programming companies for the weekday and weekend programming. In fact, there are different companies now than when ITV first started.

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> That is not exactly the same thing as the shared-time
> agreements here, though. ITV has the "license" and
> negotiates between programming companies for the weekday and
> weekend programming. In fact, there are different companies
> now than when ITV first started.

It's closer than you make it out to be.

ITV does not have the license. The licenses are issued (initially by the Independent Television Authority, later the Independent Broadcasting Authority, and now by a regulator called "Ofcom") to individual broadcasters to serve specific regions of the UK for specific lengths of time, just as they are in the US.

The initial licenses were issued in 1955, were renewed more or less in bulk in the early 60s, and ran through 1968. Under that scheme, there were weekday/weekend share-time arrangements in several regions. ATV, for instance (owned by Lord Lew Grade of "Muppet Show" fame, among other things), had weekends in London and weekdays in the Midlands. A company called Rediffusion (which would later merge into Thames Television) had weekdays in London, while ABC (no relation to the American ABC) had weekends in the Midlands and in the North of England, where Granada had weekdays.

(The 1968 franchise round eliminated share-time operation in the North, where Granada got a 7-day license, and in the Midlands, where the 7-day license went to ATV. Rediffusion merged with ABC into Thames Television and retained weekdays in London, where weekends went to the new London Weekend Television group.)

The 1955 companies, and to a lesser extent the 1968 companies that succeeded them, were brutally competitive with one another. They shared programming, as a matter of necessity, under the "ITV" umbrella, but schedules varied fairly widely from region to region, especially in the smaller regions. The name "ITV" itself was almost never seen on screen, as each licensee promoted its own identity exclusively.

(National news, incidentally, came from yet another separate company, Independent Television News, which negotiated a contract with ITV to supply news to the system. When programming expanded to the early-morning hours in the early 80s, the IBA licensed yet another company, initially "tv-am," to provide a national breakfast television service, entirely separate from the regional operators. This was possible because the actual transmitters used to broadcast the programming were operated not by the licensees but by the IBA itself. Under Thatcher-era privatization, the transmitter network was sold off to a company now known as ntl.)

In the last decade or so, massive consolidation among the various independent operators has changed matters considerably. The regional branding has given way to a national "ITV" branding, and those who care about such things believe something good was lost along the way.

There's far more than anyone would ever want to know about the early days of British TV at <a target="_blank" href=http://www.transdiffusion.org>http://www.transdiffusion.org</a>. And I mean far more...those guys are obsessive in a way that makes us look like pikers.<P ID="signature">______________
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> I think there was one in Rochester, New York between WHEC
> and WVET, with the former eventually buying-out the latter.
> I believe they shared the CBS affiliation, given they shared
> the same channel.

That's correct.

There were four applicants for channel 10 in Rochester in the early fifties, all of them incumbent radio operators. WRNY 680, WARC 950, WVET 1280 and WHEC 1460 all wanted the city's second TV license to compete against what was then WHAM-TV.

Along the way, Gannett's WHEC and the Veterans Broadcasting Company's WVET realized they could get a huge advantage on their opponents simply by joining forces. They were granted the share-time on channel 10 and went on the air November 1, 1953 from a common transmitter but separate studios.

WARC and WRNY were each granted UHF construction permits, but neither WARC-TV 15 nor WRNY-TV 27 were ever built, and the CPs eventually were cancelled in the sixties.

WVET-TV and WHEC-TV were a fairly cooperative pair of stations. They had a common logo, and apparently shared advertising as well. (From what I've seen in TV Guide and newspaper ads of the era, the promotions were often simply for "Channel 10," without mentioning the calls.)

They shared both the CBS and ABC affiliation, though of course most of the programming they carried was from CBS. They had a complicated share-time schedule that alternated prime-time and afternoon programming. WVET-TV apparently had the early-evening local news to itself, and the stations alternated the late news, so the WHEC-TV news department was a vestigial operation that was essentially on the air only three nights a week.

Around 1955, there was some discussion of buying the WRNY-TV 27 construction permit and putting an ABC affiliate on 27, to be operated by whichever half of the WVET/WHEC sharetime wasn't on 10 at the moment. (The inspiration, of course, was the WFAA/WBAP radio sharetime in Dallas-Fort Worth, in which ABC stayed on 570 and NBC on 820 regardless of which station was operating the frequency.)

This did not come to pass, and with the FCC preparing to drop a third VHF channel into the market in the early sixties (it signed on as WOKR 13 in 1962, operated by a consortium of nine competing applicants for the channel), the WVET/WHEC sharetime came to an end. In 1961, with Transcontinent Television putting the former WHAM-TV (now WROC-TV) on the market, Veterans emerged as a buyer.

In 1962, Veterans moved the WVET staff (and WVET 1280) from their 17 S. Clinton Ave. studios to the WROC-TV building on Humboldt Street (built in 1948 as "WHAM Radio City"). WVET 1280 became WROC(AM), and the WROC-FM 97.9 operation that Transcontinent had put on the air in 1959 continued on as well under Veterans ownership.

This was also the point at which WROC-TV moved from channel 5 to channel 8, exchanging dial positions with WHEN-TV in Syracuse (and enabling a channel 9 to be dropped in to Syracuse). The effect, from Veterans' perspective, was to allow them to paint the "new" WROC-TV as a continuation of the WVET-TV operation. It would seem that Transcontinent's operation of WROC-TV wasn't very popular in the market, and Veterans was eager to distance itself from that era in the station's history.

The WVET-TV license was quietly sold to Gannett, which took WHEC-TV fulltime on channel 10. The 17 S. Clinton Avenue studio facility ended up becoming WOKR's first home when it debuted later that year. (It was subsequently demolished in a fit of urban renewal to build what's now the Chase Tower.)

Interestingly, there was a proposal for ANOTHER share-time in Rochester. One of the competing applicants for channel 13 was the Rochester Area Educational Television Association (RAETA), which had been producing educational shows that aired on channels 5 and 10 for a few years. It proposed a similar operation to the WMSB/WILX sharetime in Michigan, in which RAETA would have the channel during the day for educational use and a commercial operator would have it at night for ABC programming. Instead, RAETA became a partner in the interim licensee on 13, dropping out shortly thereafter to operate the channel 21 construction permit that had been issued to the SUNY Board of Regents.

Channel 21 signed on September 6, 1966 as WXXI, and today RAETA is known as the WXXI Public Broadcasting Council (and is a part-time employer of mine.)

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WTHS/WPBT Channel 2 Miami (was Re: Stations that shared time)

How 'bout WTHS-TV and WPBT, Channel 2 in Miami, FL (both PBS)

I actually saw the "handshake" between WTHS and WPBT on skip in 1977, while DX'ing in Randolph, MA. WPBT eventually took over Miami's Channel 2 in the late 1970's, while WTHS (owned by the Miami-Dade School System) was moved over to Channel 17 as WLRN.


> This was far more common in radio than TV, but there were a
> few over the years:
>
> KOY-TV (Ind.) & KOOL-TV (ABC) Ch. 10 Phoenix, AZ (1953-54)
> WTCN-TV & WMIN-TV Ch. 11 (both ABC) Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
> (1953-55)
> WHB-TV & KMBC-TV (both CBS) Ch. 9 Kansas City, MO ('50s -
> WHB-TV was dark by '57)
> WMSB (Educ.) & WILX-TV (NBC) Ch. 10 East Lansing/Jackson, MI
> (1959-1972)
> WPWR-TV (English Ind.) & WBBS-TV (Spanish Ind.) Ch. 60
> Aurora/Chicago, IL (1982-1985)
>
> Any more?
> <P ID="signature">______________
Peter Q. George (K1XRB)
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Rather than requote your excellent explanation, Scott, answer me this:

Was I still right that comparing ITV to U.S. share-time licensees is like comparing apples and walnuts?<P ID="signature">______________


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> Rather than requote your excellent explanation, Scott,
> answer me this:
>
> Was I still right that comparing ITV to U.S. share-time
> licensees is like comparing apples and walnuts?

More like oranges and tangerines, really. While the timing of the share-times was a little different (weekdays/weekends in the UK versus one or more handoffs a day, generally, in the US), the rest is pretty comparable. In both cases, you had multiple licensees that had to coordinate promotions on a single channel so as not to unduly confuse the viewers. In both cases, you had multiple licensees that shared a single "network affiliation." And in both cases, subsequent ownership consolidations and regulatory changes caused most of the share-times to disappear by the late sixties.

The biggest difference is that in the US, the network held most of the programming cards, while in the UK, the "network" was more of a collective of its affiliates, who produced most of the programming, not unlike the early days of CTV in Canada. And of course there's the technical difference that in the US, licensees own and operate their own transmission facilities, while in the UK they contract with a national network operator to handle transmission. But that's got nothing to do with the share-time question.

Now, if you want to get into the M6/"Arte" share-time in France, then we can start talking apples and lugnuts...<P ID="signature">______________
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