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Stations that should flip

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92.3 should flip to Dance
94.7 should flip to Alternative or to country if 101.9 flips back to Alternative
101.9 should flip back to RXP as Alternative or Country if 94.7 flips to alternative
the #1 Market in the country and we lack formats that all other cities even minor small cities have!
 
badjef said:
I'll add a spanking to your pounding:

Rush Radio on all of the Clear Channel and Cumulus Stations in the 50 mile radius of Empire and loudspeakers inside of Manhattan's Subways, louder in Tri-Beca and the upper East Side and Gracie Mansion.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
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With a sign that says "TALK IS HERE TO STAY! P.S. That means no more oldies either. We like to make money and feed our families, and formats that don't bill won't allow us to do so, as much as you miss hearing Bobby Darin, Pearl Jam or Garth Brooks on New York radio".

I hear there's this wonderful invention called an iPod. It plays whatever music you want whenever you want it. If you absolutely need jocks blabbering between songs, hire a guy at Fiverr.com to cut liners for your pretend station.
 
The fact that a format is successful in other markets does mean that translates to success in market number uno. It is only a success if it bills well. Otherwise, it is a failure.
 
It's not a failure unless it's been tried. Have these formats been tried in the past yes, however that was then and this is now for country a decade later and for alternative rock it's never been tried in nyc. It's about time that someone tried something other than Top 40, A/C, Rhythmic CHR in this city. Go after another audience. I think those two formats as well as Hip Hop (such as Power 105.1) work well as a bridge between most male & female listeners you can grab listeners across the board which is great. Perhaps someone could try something on 101.9 like they are doing on 87.7 in Cleveland, rock with sports mixed together. I have always felt that rock is a good format to put with sports, other formats like Hip Hop or A/C wouldn't really make too much sense because you're typically alienating listeners that don't enjoy sports or care for it.
 
jhguthlac said:
The fact that a format is successful in other markets does mean that translates to success in market number uno. It is only a success if it bills well. Otherwise, it is a failure.
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I did read the TIO's first before I came to this.

I can only speak for dance music here but I do realize that we are in the most CONSERVATIVE radio market in the nation. I also see more spoken word formats happening on the FM dial before ANY music format since radio (meaning "corporate") basically destroyed the notion, at least in NYC anyway, that those under the age of 30 care about FM since they have gone to digital media players, smartphones and social media. If there is a "failure" that would happen here, it's corporates thinking; basically cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Having said that, I also believe that if you give a VERY COMPELLING reason to get those listeners back somehow, a station can be successful and we are talking billings. Radio has become "McDonalds" in that sense and that has turned the young crowd off. Even though 92.3 Now, Z-100 and 'KTU have different approaches to their formats, there is still that "similarity" of sorts. I'm just saying perhaps add a LITTLE "spice" to things and you could have something!

New York City is a rhythmic market. Sure, you play whats known commercially but then you add in those elements that dance fans would like (I would go a bit MORE deeper than Pulse 87 would since EDM has taken off big and stay away from dance material that would date back to the days of Hot 103/97). I strongly believe such a station would bill well because you have the fanbase here that would tune in, thus bringing in advertisers that could reach to them. And if it's that compelling to bring back the younger crowd to the FM just to hear this, then you have something BIGGER going on and that could translate to other markets that are "dance friendly" such as Miami, Los Angeles, Chicago, Minneapolis. You get the point :)

I can't talk for the other formats. That would be up to those people that believe in them the same way I believe in dance :)
 
I hate to be the one to say it but Dance coming back to NYC on FM has practically no chance today.We will have to wait out a few more years and hope that EDM continues to grow and that the spoken words format take a dive. That means that EDM will have to go more pop than it already has with the likes of Rihanna,Britney and the other usual suspects.So unless you're ready to embrace DJ Paris Hilton,let's look at other alternatives. Just my humble opinion.
 
Morpheux said:
I hate to be the one to say it but Dance coming back to NYC on FM has practically no chance today.We will have to wait out a few more years and hope that EDM continues to grow and that the spoken words format take a dive. That means that EDM will have to go more pop than it already has with the likes of Rihanna,Britney and the other usual suspects.So unless you're ready to embrace DJ Paris Hilton,let's look at other alternatives. Just my humble opinion.
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And I hear you.

And based on that corporate thinking, our chances are slim to NONE. But I'm still taking that chance.
 
The current issue of NY magazine has a very positive article about the current state of EDM. Clubs are thriving, the music has a resurgence of popularity. But nowhere is the lack of radio presence noted. Since it can do so well without a ny radio station, maybe it is not really that important to have a commercial OTA outlet. There are enough internet streaming alternatives. Its truly unfortunate but the current state of music radio is way past its prime. Dance music may not really need radio.
 
evalmaster said:
The current issue of NY magazine has a very positive article about the current state of EDM. Clubs are thriving, the music has a resurgence of popularity. But nowhere is the lack of radio presence noted. Since it can do so well without a ny radio station, maybe it is not really that important to have a commercial OTA outlet. There are enough internet streaming alternatives. Its truly unfortunate but the current state of music radio is way past its prime. Dance music may not really need radio.
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Indeed.That's my sentiment exactly. And being how radio tends to corrupt all underground movements then I rather have EDM stay the way it is. Look at what happened to Hip Hop when it went Pop.It lost its true core and essence.Speaking of EDM thriving,MTV has expanded its Clubland show where they put on Dance music videos from once a week to all days of the week at 3am. The next step might be a daily feature on in the afternoon.
 
evalmaster said:
The current issue of NY magazine has a very positive article about the current state of EDM. Clubs are thriving, the music has a resurgence of popularity. But nowhere is the lack of radio presence noted. Since it can do so well without a ny radio station, maybe it is not really that important to have a commercial OTA outlet. There are enough internet streaming alternatives. Its truly unfortunate but the current state of music radio is way past its prime. Dance music may not really need radio.
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I read the article too. 20 years from now no one will be listening to music on fm if not before! Radio as we know it is a dying breed.
 
Morpheux said:
spoken words format take a dive.
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Not going to happen. Radio is the only way to reliably get live spoken word content to most people. Everyone has an iPod and can get all of the music they want. I'm not saying this to put down your favorite (or any) kind of music. Music isn't going anywhere. But more and more people are used to getting their music without commercials and jocks hitting the post. Music will never be completely gone from radio, but its days of growth are done.
 
Clear Channel just changed KIIS HD2 in Los Angeles to EDM.
So perhaps it is a possibility they will do this also in New York. Maybe that boring new music channel on WHTZ HD2, with its endlessly repeated interviews of pop bands, could be flipped to dance.
 
Barry said:
Clear Channel just changed KIIS HD2 in Los Angeles to EDM.
So perhaps it is a possibility they will do this also in New York. Maybe that boring new music channel on WHTZ HD2, with its endlessly repeated interviews of pop bands, could be flipped to dance.
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Call it "Planet Z" 8)
 
d21ofnj said:
Barry said:
Clear Channel just changed KIIS HD2 in Los Angeles to EDM.
So perhaps it is a possibility they will do this also in New York. Maybe that boring new music channel on WHTZ HD2, with its endlessly repeated interviews of pop bands, could be flipped to dance.
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Call it "Planet Z" 8)
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Sounds as though it could be a Specialty Dance show for a Saturday Night.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
ProducerGuy said:
Morpheux said:
spoken words format take a dive.
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Not going to happen. Radio is the only way to reliably get live spoken word content to most people. Everyone has an iPod and can get all of the music they want. I'm not saying this to put down your favorite (or any) kind of music. Music isn't going anywhere. But more and more people are used to getting their music without commercials and jocks hitting the post. Music will never be completely gone from radio, but its days of growth are done.
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I have to agree with ProducerGuy on this.

I'm still trying for my format to get on some station in New York City and I know it's an extreme longshot, but I also know the reality that "corporate" has already shoved off the audience under 35 to go get their musical fix via smartphones, digital media players and social media outlets such as Facebook and Twitter. That's why you are seeing more stations flip formats to go spoken word.

I mean, who would have expected 98.7 Kiss-FM to go ESPN? As much of a trainwreck as people may say, News 101.9 isn't going anywhere. Merlin is committing to it for some reason or another. We also had said it's a matter of "WHEN", not "IF" WFAN is going on the FM dial. It's already like that with the local sports outlets in Philadelphia, Boston and other cities. Amp 103.3 Boston is actually a rarity nowadays in terms of a musical format flip geared to those under 30.

Music isn't going anywhere. TRUE. The stations that cater 35-54 (Lite-FM, 'KTU, CBS-FM, Fresh 102.7, BLS) as well as international formats (the Spanish stations) will remain. But as technology increases to the point that you'll be purchasing a streaming package for your streaming car stereo, even they may go away.

Spoken word on FM didn't matter much before but on a financial level, it's becoming the "way out" for stations to exist. :(
 
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