STATIONS WITH INDEPENDENT (IN HOUSE) SUB CHANNELS

[gregg75]

Are there any (other than weather radar)?

I'm surprised someone hasn't done it. Atlanta's WSB produces about 5 hours of in-house programs
per week (not including Thursday night's High School football game). Throw that in with some movies, rerun newscasts, cartoons, Gilligan's Island and Bonanza...................PRESTO If they negotiated cable coverage they might have something.

Actually WANN 32 (the Atlanta LP channel with 10 subs+ radio and a pretty good signal) has two in-house sub channels. PRISM plays movies. OLDIE GOLDIE plays movies, and older public domain series. These 2 are now streaming http://www.wanntv.com/index.html along with the local Atlanta program guide. My internet connection is not the best and there is some buffering and video loss. Those with FASTEST connections, I'd be interested in knowing your results......................could be they are still working the bugs out also. See what you see. Anyway are any other stations "creating" their own sub channels? Seems like more stations might do so in the future.

WANN presents program guides for their channels at the website also.

 

[dave73]

Weigel Broadcasting is the big independent in the Chicago market, & besides WCIU 26.1, they have The U Too on 26.2, & is the same as 26.1, but most programs that are carried on 26.1 air at different times on 26.2. 26.2 also shows some programs that aren't on 26.1, including Cash Cab, Webster, Americas Court with Judge Kevin Ross, & E True Hollywood Stories. Weigel also has MeToo, which is now the Chicago MeTV, airing classic TV shows, including shows from the Sony library that Tribune has the national rights, & Weigel has the Chicago rights. When MeTV was just local to Chicago, MeTV was classic comedy, & MeToo was classic drama. MeTV is available both on WWME-LD 23.1 & 2WCIU 26.3. MeToo is on WMEU-LD 48.1 & WCIU 26.4.

Now while this is PBS, WTTW does program 11.2 locally, & it's a 24 hour version of primetime programming, called WTTW Prime. Since they have too much programming, & not enough hours to show much of it on the main channel, WTTW Prime fills that void in programming

In South Bend, IN, WSBT-TV is the only station that has a locally programmed subchannel. WSBT-TV 22.2 was originally the UPN affiliate, but went independent in 2006 when WB & UPN merged, & Weigel Broadcasting got both the CW & MNT networks (CW on WCWW-LD 25.1 & MNT on WMYS-LD 69.1). They have a 10pm newscast to compete with WSJV-TV, who has had their news at 10pm (9pm in the summer months prior to 2006?) since becoming a Fox affiliate in 1995 from ABC (ABC affiliation on WBND-LD 57.1). WSBT's newscast on 22.1 still takes place at 11pm to compete with NBC affiliate WNDU, but it's in HD on 22.1, while the 10 newscast on 22.2 is in SD. WSBT-TV 22.2 also shows high school games when school is in session. All other shows are either off-network syndication, or 1st run syndication shows.

 

[dhett]

Using the definition of subchannel to include all minor channels under a major channel (including the .1 minor channel), in Phoenix, we have several:

• full-power KTVK is an indie with locally-produced programming on 3.1, with This TV on 3.2
• low-power KAZT-CD is an indie with locally-produced programming on 7.1, with MeTV on 7.2 and RTV on 7.3
• low-power K38IZ-D has old Mexican Spanish-language movies on 38.1 (IZ Peliculas), old English-language movies on 38.2 (IZ Classics), secular music videos on 38.3 (IZ Videos), and Christian music videos on 38.4 (IZ Hope). The English-language programming is interspersed with locally-produced infomercials, mostly for a handful of local low-rent car dealerships.
• low-power KPDF-CD has some locally-produced content on its channel 41.1, with LATV on 41.3.
• low-power KPHE-LD supplements its Telemax and Multimedios programming on 44.1 with locally-produced programming. 44.2-4 are 3ABN Latino, 3ABN and MyFamilyTV.
• low-power KFPB-LD features locally-produced Spanish-language Christian programming on Restauracion TV, on channel 50.4. Casa TV on 50.1, Zoe TV on 50.2 and all programming on 50.3 seem to be from somewhere else.

All stations above, except for KFPB, have local studios.

Remember that Class A digital stations, such as KAZT and KPDF, are required to carry a minimum of 3 hours of locally-produced programming per week, as a condition of their Class A license. They are also required to maintain a local studio, in most cases.

 

[gregg75]

Let's forget the .1 main channels.

I'd say MeToo would be the ultimate in-house sub channel. Good shows presented in an
independent format. MeToo clearly shows what a station can do. WCIU has taken what was
once one channel and turned it into several. Seems like more stations would want to do the
same to provide another avenue for both commercials and profit.

 

[anotherguyTN]

WREG in Memphis and WTVF in Nashville both have local 24/7 news channels with repeats of news along with other local news programming.

 

[mgsports]

KPCT at 7pm on Fridays has KC week in Review.
KMSO 6pm Saturdays Quepsa KC,6:30pm Saturday's Cinemakc,KC Zoo show 5:30pm Saturday's Your MO/KS,Off the Pitch-SportingKC 9:30pm Sunday's,Turner Gill show at 10pm Sunday's and Bill Self on Sunday's and also High School Football Games on Friday's and also shows some of the Cool TV

 

[jh]

KCRG 9 (ABC) in Cedar Rapids IA has been doing this for some time on their 9.2, although it just recently began airing My Network TV (from 12:05-2:05am) which previously was on KWKB/20 (CW) delayed to after prime time.

Here's the schedule for KCRG 9.2 for Monday, October 24:

5:00 AM Iowa Sports Connection
7:00 AM KCRG TV9 Early Morning News
8:00 AM KCRG TV9 Morning News
9:00 AM KCRG TV9 Morning News
10:00 AM The Andy Griffith Show
10:30 AM The Andy Griffith Show
11:00 AM Outdoorsman With Buck McNeely
11:30 AM Ballparks of the Midwest
12:00 PM KCRG TV9 News at Midday
1:00 PM City Council Forum
2:00 PM To the Point With Beth Malicki
2:30 PM The King of Queens
3:00 PM Frasier
3:30 PM Frasier
4:00 PM Friends
4:30 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
5:00 PM The Insider
5:30 PM Extra
6:30 PM On Iowa Live
7:30 PM Iowa Football With Kirk Ferentz
8:00 PM Iowa State Football with Paul Rhoads
8:30 PM Sports Stars of Tomorrow
9:00 PM TMZ
9:30 PM Everybody Loves Raymond
10:00 PM Friends
10:30 PM The King of Queens
11:05 PM Two and a Half Men
11:35 PM The Big Bang Theory
12:05 AM Law & Order: Special Victims Unit
1:05 AM Law & Order: Special Victims Unit
2:05 AM KCRG TV9 News at 10
2:40 AM High School Football

 

[azumanga]

Let's forget the .1 main channels.

By that definition, could we consider KSTC 5.45 in the Twin Cities a subchannel? Until earlier this month, it was 45.1, but was remapped to 5.45, with This TV, formally on 45.2, now on 5.4.

 

[markwooldridge]

To be back on topic: stations that produce their own sub-channels in-house...

Locally: WGSR rebroadcasts its sister WMDV on a sub-channel, and I think vice-versa but I am not too sure. They're independent to begin with so technically everything is "in house".

WCWG - 20.4 is infomercials. Now that has to be "in house". I know it's not really better than "weather radar". Speaking of weather radar, WFMY's .2 is a weather channel but much better than a glorified weather radar graphic. Also AFAIK, WGHP tweaks TV8.2's Antenna TV's schedule to suit.

Of course there are stations that are considered part of a national network and as such they broadcast other channels from within the network:

Ion - with Qubo and Ion Life on the subs..
TCT - their SD, HD, and Family feeds - though our local has a .4
Univision - often rebroadcasts Telefutura on the .2 - is the case in our area.

All the others - MeTV, RTV, The Country Network, The Cool TV, etc... are produced by someone else and added on by the local stations as extra programming choices.

 

[Wright County Guy]

Re: WANN

Stream is a little slow to connect, but generally runs clearly and smoothly.

 

[ajc_trw]

KOCE in Orange County CA runs "OC Channel" on 50.2 highlighting OC events.

http://occhannel.pbssocal.org/

 

[gregg75]

So if a station has rights to The King Of Queens on the main channel and then also shows it
on an in-house sub channel, would there be an extra cost involved? Or would their rights
extend to and cover both channels?

 

[Madmansam]

KCRA Channel 3 in Sacramento,CA has a "More TV" on its 3.2 Check out the schedule @ http://www.kcra.com/moretv/index.html

 

[dave73]

So if a station has rights to The King Of Queens on the main channel and then also shows it
on an in-house sub channel, would there be an extra cost involved? Or would their rights
extend to and cover both channels?

Weigel Broadcasting has done this with The U & The U Too, as well as MeTV & MeToo in Chicago. They own the Chicago rights to some shows that they would air on The U (main channel), & will usually air it again on The U Too at a later time. For MeTV & MeToo, they're overlapping some shows that they have both the national & Chicago rights to shows, & right now, they're showing Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley, & Beverly Hillbillies on both MeTV & MeToo. In this case, I don't know why they would need to have certain shows that they already carry on MeTV on MeToo as well. Since taking MeTV nationwide, the idea to MeToo was to show programs that they don't have the national rights to in Chicago (like shows from the Sony library as they hold the Chicago rights, while Tribune has the national rights to that library). With that in mind, if a station has the rights to a specific show, then I don't see that it's exclusive to just a main channel or just a subchannel if both are programmed for a local audience. Usually with duopolies, some syndicated shows may reair on the sister station at a later time, or might move certain shows (network or other shows) over to the other station if there's a conflict in programming on the other station.

 

[firepoint525]

WREG in Memphis and WTVF in Nashville both have local 24/7 news channels with repeats of news along with other local news programming.

Newschannel 5 also has THIS-TV at 5.3. Interesting that they also run some "THIS" programming on Newschannel5+ (usually referred to as just "the plus") on 5.2, but that is typically just E/I programming.

 

[anotherguyTN]

Would this count? WBBJ in Jackson, TN carries their main channel on 7.2, only with SAP audio when it's available, or a message saying to tune in to 7.1 when there's no SAP. That has to be the biggest waste of a subchannel I've seen, but they won't pick up Antenna TV or ME-TV.

 

[markwooldridge]

So if a station has rights to The King Of Queens on the main channel and then also shows it
on an in-house sub channel, would there be an extra cost involved? Or would their rights
extend to and cover both channels?

Depends. If the in-house sub channel is simply a timeshifted version of the main channel (except for local commercials), then I don't see how the station would incur extra costs. If the sub channel is a disinct separate channel then it would depend on how the rights are arranged but I guess that more than likely extra money would be involved.

 

[FightingIrish]

Let's forget the .1 main channels.

I'd say MeToo would be the ultimate in-house sub channel. Good shows presented in an
independent format. MeToo clearly shows what a station can do. WCIU has taken what was
once one channel and turned it into several. Seems like more stations would want to do the
same to provide another avenue for both commercials and profit.

But would MeToo count as solely a 'subchannel'? Ch. 26.4 basically relays the feed of a low-power station, WMEU-CA (the regular MeTV airs on WWME-CA Ch.23, fed via 26.3). Weigel does the same thing in Milwaukee, airing an independent LP station (WMLW-CA) on full-power 58.2 and their Telemundo LP affiliate (WYTU-LP) on 49.4. Neither are subchannels, but their OTA coverage is considerably better on their subchannel locations. In the case of WCIU, UToo would probably qualify most under the description of the thread. Mostly time-shifted programming from the original station, but some exclusive content.

The topic seems to be independently-programmed subchannel-only offerings. I would imagine some CW/MNTV subchannel affiliates would count (depending on what they do outside of the network feeds). Same with small markets with subchannel affiliations with bigger networks (like FOX). Perhaps NBC's O&O stations, which do the "Nonstop" format, would qualify as programming in-house local subchannels.