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Stealing material from other radio folk

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rdotinga

Hey,

Dave Rickards ripped into Johnjay/Rich and the Mikey Show today over (allegedly) stealing DSC material.

Questions for you all for this week's radio column in the North County Times: How common is material theft? Have you had your stuff stolen/pilfered/borrowed/etc? How bad is it to use someone else's material? What if they're in another market?

Thanks!

Randy Dotinga
 
rdotinga said:
Hey,

Dave Rickards ripped into Johnjay/Rich and the Mikey Show today over (allegedly) stealing DSC material.

Questions for you all for this week's radio column in the North County Times: How common is material theft? Have you had your stuff stolen/pilfered/borrowed/etc? How bad is it to use someone else's material? What if they're in another market?

Thanks!

Randy Dotinga
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I'd like to take credit for the phrase "the best ideas in radio are stolen," but I ripped that off from my first PD.

But think about it. Jack FM itself was ripped off from a station called Bob in Winnipeg.

Bits, formats, jock names... if you searched long enough, you'd find whatever bits Dave is claiming ownership of were done by someone else. Radio was recycling before recycling was cool.
 
Nothing is new in radio today, it's all been done already by somebody. Therefore all bits are stolen.
 
johndavis said:
rdotinga said:
Hey,

Dave Rickards ripped into Johnjay/Rich and the Mikey Show today over (allegedly) stealing DSC material.

Questions for you all for this week's radio column in the North County Times: How common is material theft? Have you had your stuff stolen/pilfered/borrowed/etc? How bad is it to use someone else's material? What if they're in another market?

Thanks!

Randy Dotinga
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I'd like to take credit for the phrase "the best ideas in radio are stolen," but I ripped that off from my first PD.

But think about it. Jack FM itself was ripped off from a station called Bob in Winnipeg.

Bits, formats, jock names... if you searched long enough, you'd find whatever bits Dave is claiming ownership of were done by someone else. Radio was recycling before recycling was cool.
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Ideas are spawned from many places, things, events, childhood beatings and so on. It's how they're refined and presented that make them unique. I'll give Dave all the credit in the world for "Lash Wednesday" and others, but I'm still glad I never was the guy that had to sweat the FCC over "pushing the line."

Love your show Dave. I took your money on 17 at Mission Trails and nothing can ever change that fact.
 
DSC owes much of its act to things started on KGB back in the 70's by Captain Billy along with Brad Messer and Brent Seltzer, later The Hergon Breakfast Club, continued by the News Brothers Gabriel Wisdom and Jeff Prescott, Berger and Prescott and finally DSC.

DSC should end each show by thanking Bill Hergonson and the others whose influence can be heard throughout the DSC.

As regards stealing material - between that and Dave's earlier rant against his former KGB colleagues he makes it clear that he has no qualms about setting aside entertainment in order to vent his bitterness, which is not something he stole from the groundbreakers who came before him.

And remember: if you steal from one source it's plagarism, but if you steal from several sources it's research.
 
Fer cryin' out loud. Dave, Shelley and Chainsaw have a huge history in the San Diego radio market. Huge! And they're the only ones (OK exception for Mikey if you can stomach that) that have lost their gig and gotten back on the air in their home market. Kudos times 3. Whatever. These folks are doing what very few have been able to do over the past few, depressing years, and that's bringing their show back home to where it all started. You guys sit here and whine and moan about how everything is delivered by sat, and nothing is live and local anymore, and then they pull it off to get back on the air and keep the thing going. What the F--k do you guys want? Give them some cred for hanging in and getting something going again, or hold your breath and hope KFM-BFM gives up on it and brings you some sat delivered crap from "Premiere" or "Excellence" or whoever they can put up from somewhere else that has no clue where you are on the freeway or in your head.

Dave, you still owe me for 17 you cheap mothertucker. I believe the wager was $1 and not squared by you parking the cart for a tip.
 
RadeoEngineer said:
Fer cryin' out loud. Dave, Shelley and Chainsaw have a huge history in the San Diego radio market. Huge! And they're the only ones (OK exception for Mikey if you can stomach that) that have lost their gig and gotten back on the air in their home market.
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Well, don't forget Charlie and Harrigan... and as we've often read at sdradio.net, JnJ will be back soon.

I think you overreact to the reaction to your old golfing buddy. There's that old saying about how people who live in glass houses should not throw stones, but Dave has started out his second coming by casting lots of stones at others so if you weren't a big fan of his act before, then adding a touch of bitter revenge to it does not exactly make it more appealing.

You do have to admire him for being a survivor in a business that has swallowed and crapped out lots of good talent over the years. Some folks though, like DSC, JnJ, Jim McInnes, Nick Upton, Hudson and Bauer (they ran 22 years on KFMB), Sonny West (now 19 years at KYXY), Sam Bass (32 years at KYXY!) get lucky and find the right niche and right bosses and have a long run at one place. The more level-headed among them would probably be the first to admit that luck was on their side and that they would not expect the public to be grateful for their existance.
 
radio-darn said:
Hudson and Bauer (they ran 22 years on KFMB)
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Those guys did have some totally original bits, especially back in the late 70's. I still laugh when I think about some of the stuff those guys did on the air.
 
radio-darn said:
RadeoEngineer said:
Fer cryin' out loud. Dave, Shelley and Chainsaw have a huge history in the San Diego radio market. Huge! And they're the only ones (OK exception for Mikey if you can stomach that) that have lost their gig and gotten back on the air in their home market.
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Well, don't forget Charlie and Harrigan... and as we've often read at sdradio.net, JnJ will be back soon.

I think you overreact to the reaction to your old golfing buddy. There's that old saying about how people who live in glass houses should not throw stones, but Dave has started out his second coming by casting lots of stones at others so if you weren't a big fan of his act before, then adding a touch of bitter revenge to it does not exactly make it more appealing.

You do have to admire him for being a survivor in a business that has swallowed and crapped out lots of good talent over the years. Some folks though, like DSC, JnJ, Jim McInnes, Nick Upton, Hudson and Bauer (they ran 22 years on KFMB), Sonny West (now 19 years at KYXY), Sam Bass (32 years at KYXY!) get lucky and find the right niche and right bosses and have a long run at one place. The more level-headed among them would probably be the first to admit that luck was on their side and that they would not expect the public to be grateful for their existance.
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Nick has been at KSON forever. He was already there when I started in 1985 and still there today. He may be the longest current running in San Diego and maybe all time.
 
Just in case D needs some material for his next tirade, I've gathered up so current online references to Lash Wednesday, none of which mentions KGB, DSC or the Dawn Patrol. Of particular concern is the 1989 newspaper article in which Scott Shannon takes credit for creating "Lash Wednesday" while in New York. I am especially impressed with the psychic powers that allowed him to steal something that had not yet been created.

Anyway, here are the targets for the next rant:

Lash Wednesday on WZPL
Jul 29, 2009 ... Listeners call in to confess, to Reverend Smiley, something terrible they've done for a chance at concert tickets!

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The Blerg: Blerg Holidays: Lash Wednesday
Jul 23, 2010 ... I was trying to think of which Wednesday of the year I should make Lash Wednesday, which is about as self-explanatory as it gets.

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from Stepmoms on a mission. This is a peer counseling support group for stepmothers adjusting to their new roles in their new families.

I wanted to post on "Lash Wednesday confessional," but as I read the posts, it became too frightening. Everyone was getting so upset. This is a place to vent, not judge. I hope all have kissed an made up.

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Mar 25 2009 1:54 PM

WE ARE KICKING IT OFF!!!

COME OUT TO WHIP LOUNGE Tonight

ON WHIP LASH WEDNESDAY AND PARTY LIKE ROCKSTARS

Read more: http://www.myspace.com/beatclubentertainment#ixzz0xjaVKlYa

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This is from http://suehallsays.com/wordpress/?cat=5 and discusses 1985-87:

Soon, London and Engleman came from Fla. to run The Morning Zoo. Our competition at the time was Alex Bennett on 105 and Don Bleu on K101. I had never heard such funny, timeless, and magical radio ( L & E). (No offence to Dr. Don). These guys were totally new, innovative and FUNNY! Raise your hand if you remember The Cleavers from Castro Valley? Or Uncle Remus? Or Lash Wednesday ( your shoe’s untied)! I wanted to be a part of that morning show so badly, I told Rick Lee, I’d do it for free!! And, I did!

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D Brown (bikindi) on Twitter
Tomorrow is Lash Wednesday! What cha givin' up for lent hmmmmmmm?!?!

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Book your appointment for Lash Wednesday and recieve a full set of our popular eyelash extentions at half price by mentioning Citysearch

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From an April 02, 1989 Los Angeles Times article about Scott Shannon (who might want to rant about DSC stealing Lash Weds.):

Shannon is flattered and mildly amused at the flurry of activity at Los Angeles' rock stations these days. KPWR began calling the Jay Thomas show the "Morning Zoo" only a month ago and KIIS has begun using a series of phrases and contests that Shannon first used in New York several years ago: "the worst to first" contest, the Juke Box From Hell, "lash Wednesday."
 
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