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Steps for obtaining STL

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duckfan98

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Hello,

Looking for some beginner advice here on how to obtain a licensed STL. Does it require a consulting engineer? Anyone able to offer insight? We'd like to go away from our internet based STL as we our having too many issues with reliability.
 
Get ahold of a firm like RF Licensing. For $200 they'll find a frequency that will work, given the coordinates. For a bit more they'll file the application I think.
 
You can also find out who the frequency coordinator is for you market. They could then give you a frequency and you could then get the app filed.

It may be more worthwhile to pay the money and have a firm do it. Your choice.
 
Thank you.

Now more of a 'technical' question. We need to get audio up to the tower from our studio for our FM signal. The stereo generator is in our exciter, and processing is done at the tower before the exciter.

Do i need a composite STL? Or mono? If mono, do I need a pair (ie Two Martis at studio, and two at Tower), or?......

Thanks, and sorry for the noob questions!
 
If the stereo generator is in the exciter (sounds like a Digit), then there are several ways to go.

If you go with a composite STL, you basically need a stereo generator at the studio to generate the composite signal, a means of decoding the composite back to discrete left and right to feed into the processor (or composite to AES.) This requires only one STL transmitter/receiver, but a lot of duplication of equipment (as well as adding distortion/noise, etc. to the audio) at the studio and transmitter ends. Discrete STLs require two frequencies to be coordinated, therefore two licenses. You would feed left (or right) audio into each STL transmitter, and pull out the same at the other end to feed into processing. You could also make AES at the studio and use a digital STL to get it out on the other end as AES and feed your processor (hopefully it will take the digital input) or convert it back to analog for processing.

Don't forget to put some light processing (mostly gain riding) in front of the STL. I like the Aphex Compellor 320A. If you choose the AES path, use the 320AD. It'll give you both analog and AES out from either in, and is really transparent. Just set it for leveling only, and adjust it for only one light on GR.
 
A number of things to consider here.

1. What is the distance from the studio to the transmitter site, and what is BETWEEN the studio and transmitter? If you are in Kansas where the highest thing on the horizon is a grain elevator, probably no problems unless you have a long distance between the two sites. However, if you are in hilly country, you may quickly discover why the internet was used to get audio to the transmitter.
The STL's microwave frequencies don't go through hills very well. If there's a big hill between your studio and transmitter, you may need a big tower at the studio, or even a two-hop link (one to the top of that hill, then another to the transmitter).

Here's a site that can give you an idea of the path between studio and transmitter: http://n9zia.ampr.org/path.main.cgi If the path looks at all marginal, get professional help before you go much further. You can find the coordinates for your transmitter site at FCC.Gov; Topozone or Google Earth can give you the coordinates for your studio, Topozone will show you the elevation at your studio.

2. What kind of transmitter? Many imported transmitters have this built in stereo generator design, (seems to be a European thing). However they usually have jacks that allow for a composite or multiplex (i.e., stereo audio) to be fed into the transmitter part directly, bypassing the stereo generator.

Depends on what you have for audio processing now, and your budget, determines which is the best way to go. If you are happy with the present processing chain (or can't afford new processing), then you will have to use what is called a "discrete" system, where the left and right audio channels are sent by separate STL transmitters. The only STL equipment commonly available to do this is the Marti STL-10 systems. They are available new from the usual equipment suppliers; or you can find them used. E.G.: http://bohnbroadcast.com/forsale/stl.htm. Used STL-10 systems, if refurbished, can be very reliable, and can save you $$$ over new equipment without any compromise in quality.

If you have the budget to improve processing, you have more options. For example, compared to sending audio straight into the stereo generator of the transmitter a reconditioned used Optimod 8100 can sound very good. They're often on E-bay for around $1k or so. Or you can go up from there. If you want the processor/stereo generator at the studio, you would then need a "composite" STL system. Instead of two transmitters and two receivers, you then have one transmitter receiver combination that is "broadband" in that it will pass the complete stereo signal (and add-ons such as RDS) directly from studio to transmitter. New prices for composite systems run from around $4K to $6K.
Before buying used composite STL equipment, best to consult with an engineer familiar with the equipment. On some of the used equipment it is difficult to change frequency, even if advertised as "frequency agile." (E.G.--older TFT 8300 series). Other models are no longer accepted by the FCC, or have obsolete transistors that can't be replaced.

3. If you are satisfied that you have a clear path between studio and transmitter, and have decided whether to go "discrete" or "composite," I would recommend Terrestrial RF to do a frequency study, the required "prior coordination notice" process, and preparation and filing of the FCC application.
The "PCN" process, as it is sometime called, requires notices to be sent to everyone who have STL stations on your selected frequency and the adjacent frequencies--over a wide area around your station (250 miles on channel!). Something no sane person would attempt without help. www.rflicensing.com/‎

4. As you can see, there are a lot of questions to be asked and answered before you even get to the coordination process.
 
Thanks for the reply!

Anyone have any cheap tx / rx pair they wanna sell?...
 
I don't but SRS Electronics refurbish's the old marti units and dose great work, they also sell used. Their number is 817.558.0079.

You could also try WinnTronics they do allot of the Moseley 6000 series refurb I still have allot of the old 6010/6020 with the DSP's in service. They are at 805.252.2119

and if your uber low bucking it there's always NiCom stuff, i have used their antennas and been reasonably happy for low power applications, and a colleague had a 500w transmitter from them as a backup, never used there STL gear though.
nicomusa.com
 
How far is the STL hop?

Have you thought about unlicensed 5.8GHz gear? If it's only a couple miles with a clear line of sight, it may be a cheaper and better solution. The bonus is you would get a LAN extension to the TX site.
 
We started with 5.8ghz - didnt work...too much interference on tower with an WISP. Then went to regular old internet, however, century link DSL wasnt reliable enough (90% of the time its fine....the 10% of the time it drops out).

Looking now at 'old school' proven STL technologies.
 
Did you do a freq scan and see what freqs were being used? What about licensed in the 3ghz (3.8) range or even higher.I'd rather find a solution using wireless ip than use the 950 stl.prices on licensed ones have come down.check with double radius.
 
I didnt think you could license 3ghz, or even if you could - it was kinda pointless?
 
I wouldn't go unlicensed except as a last resort--there is only going to be more and more devices fired up in the future that will take out your link. Heck--I'm finding wireless devices around town that take out my XM receiver as I drive by.

Check the link to Bohn Broadcast in my post above--he lists several STL 10 systems for sale. As mentioned, so does Rick Neace, though his site (RPU-STL.Com) seems to be down at the moment. Storms went through Cleburne last night.
 
knock wood we've been running 6.8 for about ten years without problems. Had to reverse a couple of xhots and change polarity on one over the years... but with >big< dishes and a bit of heioght it does failr well. We also use 2GHz with good results.
 
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing_1&id=microwave
Quite a list of 'em now.
Agreed on the local frequency coordinator!
If you can find someone in your area that knows what is really being used you can be ready to
talk to a Microwave Frequency Coordinator.
Plus there's the few STLs located no where near where they should be with paths way off from their license.
The local coordinator probably knows about them and that will save you time getting your link running.
When you're ready to test your STL make sure the other STL users know about it.
Please!
 
Unless you are in a large metro area, local coordinators pretty much don't exist anymore. May even be hard to find many engineers who know what is what. In my market of some 22 stations, I was the only full-time engineer for about a year and a half. Then a local group hired a full-time chief--and hired me to mentor him.

Can't hurt if there are some engineers still active in the market to quiz them as to what channels their stations are using. If you can't get info on some stations, you can also use the FCC search tab to AM or FM query, pull up the full page listing for each station, then use the ULS box at the bottom of the screen to find the listing of their AS and AI licenses. When you pull these up the "path" tab gives you the frequencies they are licensed for.

Make a list and you will see the open channels. Still, for the cost, it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and have someone like Terrestrial RF do a search to see which is the most open channel. Their cost for the frequency coordination & filing of the FCC application is $550; an additional frequency search costs $200.
 
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