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Stern, O&A...oyyy

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raydofan

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From here:

When Stern was asked by a caller about the gag order, he confirmed it by admitting, "That's right. I believe in censoring anyone who is my enemy." He also added, "I believe in censorship when it benefits me."

Playing back that audio on their XM Satellite Radio program this morning, Anthony noted the hypocrisy of that statement by saying, "He's been complaining that individual members of the FCC were putting their morality on his program instead of interpreting FCC law ... which is exactly what he did [with us]."


That is a really flawed analogy.

The FCC is an an agency which is 'charged' with policing radio content (after listener complaints, supposedly)-an external government entity, which is supposed to cover all broadcasters, but seemed focused on Stern. Their activity against broadcasters is a First Amendment issue. While I'll agree that Howard was being a pr@ck, Infinity is a company he helped build. These two walk in and start whizzing on him. What would you do?

All sorts of rights are relinquished when you're employed in the private sector. Can you openly talk sh!t about your de facto boss? Go ahead and try it. Let me know how soon you're shown the door, let alone just to shut up. LOTS of broadcasters are given directives by management about content. I don't see this as any different. These guys still had their jobs until they screwed the pooch.

Here's another interesting bit:

O&A have also been pointing out what they call more hypocrisy by Stern for taking off certain Fridays, playing audio of Stern, Robin Quivers and Artie Lange discussing why it is important to be in the studio five days a week. "If you are not there on Fridays, then you are doing a disservice to your audience," says Stern in the audio clip. "If you are going to do this job, then you show up every day and give it your best."

I understand that Anthony makes a mad dash for the door at the end of each show (actually, I read it on here, and that A is not fond of mornings.) When I listened to O&A for a while on Audible, the show clocked in to about 3:45. Howard does about 4.5 hours (conservatively) and has been off every other week on Friday. He has two radio channels. While they complain about Stern's behind the scenes niggling, I don't hear about them busting their nards to make the show more compelling, just crying about 'hypocracy', whining about Howard, and doing material that could be Stern 1988.

Who would you say has the better work ethic?

Oh yeah, then there are the guys with the signs, that's a good one. Great stuff-Howard 1987, except much smaller.
 
While they
> complain about Stern's behind the scenes niggling, I don't
> hear about them busting their nards to make the show more
> compelling, just crying about 'hypocracy', whining about
> Howard, and doing material that could be Stern 1988.
>
> Who would you say has the better work ethic?
>
> Oh yeah, then there are the guys with the signs, that's a
> good one. Great stuff-Howard 1987, except much smaller.
>


If it wasn't for whining, Howard wouldn't have a show either.
Now has he or his on-air staff been busting their "nards" to be compelling, let alone funny? If the CBS lawsuit did anything to Howard, it at least gives him some more of the material he considers entertaining. He's been shoving this stuff down our throats for years now. Howard throws stones at O & A then O & A throws back.... O & A, Howard, Bubba all of them, just shut up and BE FUNNY. "everyones picking on me...everyones stealing my stuff"
"he's a hypocrit...he's a bully"...Ditch the dresses and do a good show.
 
>
> If it wasn't for whining, Howard wouldn't have a show
> either.
> Now has he or his on-air staff been busting their "nards" to
> be compelling, let alone funny? If the CBS lawsuit did
> anything to Howard, it at least gives him some more of the
> material he considers entertaining. He's been shoving this
> stuff down our throats for years now. Howard throws stones
> at O & A then O & A throws back.... O & A, Howard, Bubba all
> of them, just shut up and BE FUNNY. "everyones picking on
> me...everyones stealing my stuff"
> "he's a hypocrit...he's a bully"...Ditch the dresses and do
> a good show.
>

the reason for the gag on O and A was that they were talking about Howard's daughter...you can insult Howard himself but not his family...rule number 1
 
> >
> > If it wasn't for whining, Howard wouldn't have a show
> > either.
> > Now has he or his on-air staff been busting their "nards"
> to
> > be compelling, let alone funny? If the CBS lawsuit did
> > anything to Howard, it at least gives him some more of the
>
> > material he considers entertaining. He's been shoving this
>
> > stuff down our throats for years now. Howard throws stones
>
> > at O & A then O & A throws back.... O & A, Howard, Bubba
> all
> > of them, just shut up and BE FUNNY. "everyones picking on
> > me...everyones stealing my stuff"
> > "he's a hypocrit...he's a bully"...Ditch the dresses and
> do
> > a good show.
> >
>
> the reason for the gag on O and A was that they were talking
> about Howard's daughter...you can insult Howard himself but
> not his family...rule number 1
>

Two questions:
1) Then why was the gag put on them for Howard? They could have easily been gagged for things regarding his daughters or even his ex-wife. They were barred from mentioning ANYONE on the show

2) Why was there clauses regarding them being released from their contracts? Fine, sign here, no mention of Howard's daughters. Good luck at your new job in comepting directly against Howard.
 
> From here:
>
> When Stern was asked by a caller about the gag order, he
> confirmed it by admitting, "That's right. I believe in
> censoring anyone who is my enemy." He also added, "I believe
> in censorship when it benefits me."
>
> Playing back that audio on their XM Satellite Radio program
> this morning, Anthony noted the hypocrisy of that statement
> by saying, "He's been complaining that individual members of
> the FCC were putting their morality on his program instead
> of interpreting FCC law ... which is exactly what he did
> [with us]."
>
> That is a really flawed analogy.
>
> The FCC is an an agency which is 'charged' with policing
> radio content (after listener complaints, supposedly)-an
> external government entity, which is supposed to cover all
> broadcasters, but seemed focused on Stern. Their activity
> against broadcasters is a First Amendment issue. While I'll
> agree that Howard was being a pr@ck, Infinity is a company
> he helped build. These two walk in and start whizzing on
> him. What would you do?
>
> All sorts of rights are relinquished when you're employed in
> the private sector. Can you openly talk sh!t about your de
> facto boss? Go ahead and try it. Let me know how soon you're
> shown the door, let alone just to shut up. LOTS of
> broadcasters are given directives by management about
> content. I don't see this as any different. These guys still
> had their jobs until they screwed the pooch.
>

Directives like "you guys need to push the envelope...don't worry we're behind you...that bit is great do it!!" which turns into the company running away when negative press comes down.

> Here's another interesting bit:
>
> O&A have also been pointing out what they call more
> hypocrisy by Stern for taking off certain Fridays, playing
> audio of Stern, Robin Quivers and Artie Lange discussing why
> it is important to be in the studio five days a week. "If
> you are not there on Fridays, then you are doing a
> disservice to your audience," says Stern in the audio clip.
> "If you are going to do this job, then you show up every day
> and give it your best."
>
> I understand that Anthony makes a mad dash for the door at
> the end of each show (actually, I read it on here, and that
> A is not fond of mornings.) When I listened to O&A for a
> while on Audible, the show clocked in to about 3:45. Howard
> does about 4.5 hours (conservatively) and has been off every
> other week on Friday. He has two radio channels. While they
> complain about Stern's behind the scenes niggling, I don't
> hear about them busting their nards to make the show more
> compelling, just crying about 'hypocracy', whining about
> Howard, and doing material that could be Stern 1988.
>

Here is where your analogy is flawed: Howie's quote is in direct conflict with what he is doing now. Ant never will deny leaving at 11:05 unless they had a meeting.

You also fail to mention about the O&A show length that part of their "shortened" show is plug-based. According to O, A & Eric Logan, they are supposed to be breaks twice an hour. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. When they don't, do you just toss the plug dats in the trash? Oh well, maybe tomorrow? You must have picked the Howard-heavy Audible.com episodes because the fans forced opie to actually take time counts on his Howie rants so he could prove they weren't spending insane amounts of time on Howie. Of course the last couple of weeks aside because of the whole lawsuit/Bubba thing.

They actually have been having better shows. Looks like they finally got over the PR rep hurdle and have been getting some good guests on...something they admittedly lacked in their first year.
 
> 2) Why was there clauses regarding them being released from
> their contracts? Fine, sign here, no mention of Howard's
> daughters. Good luck at your new job in comepting directly
> against Howard.

The best part of that has always been: "If you sign this, we'll let you out of your Infinity contract...... AND, you can never mention Howard or ANYBODY who works, or has EVER worked, for Infinity ever again, for the rest of your lives, or we'll fine you $100,000 per occurance."

In the immortal words of Opie: "Holy S"<P ID="signature">______________
D. Stroyer
Celebrating 10 years of idle radio message board speculation.. Minus those 2.5 years when I actually worked in radio fulltime.</P>
 
> If it wasn't for whining, Howard wouldn't have a show
> either.
> Now has he or his on-air staff been busting their "nards" to
> be compelling, let alone funny? If the CBS lawsuit did
> anything to Howard, it at least gives him some more of the
> material he considers entertaining. He's been shoving this
> stuff down our throats for years now. Howard throws stones
> at O & A then O & A throws back.... O & A, Howard, Bubba all
> of them, just shut up and BE FUNNY. "everyones picking on
> me...everyones stealing my stuff"
> "he's a hypocrit...he's a bully"...Ditch the dresses and do
> a good show.


Exactly, that is why I stopped listening to O & A (and Howie when he was on regular radiio), it was to heavy on the competition and how disloyal their "friends" were.
 
Who cares why Howard put the gag on? The reason that Howard had the power for the gag order is because he build Infitity Broadcasting and made the company BILLIONS of dollars. I'm so sick of these O & A comparisons to Howard. That is like comparing some crappy garage band who was briefly signed by label and dropped to a band like U2. They can complain all they want about how U2 sucks, but at the end of the day people only want to hear U2. Like the crappy garage band, no one knows Opie and Anthony and no one gives a damn!
 
> Who cares why Howard put the gag on? The reason that Howard
> had the power for the gag order is because he build Infitity
> Broadcasting and made the company BILLIONS of dollars. I'm
> so sick of these O & A comparisons to Howard. That is like
> comparing some crappy garage band who was briefly signed by
> label and dropped to a band like U2. They can complain all
> they want about how U2 sucks, but at the end of the day
> people only want to hear U2. Like the crappy garage band,
> no one knows Opie and Anthony and no one gives a damn!
>

Billions??? I think that is an exaggeration. Also, if Howard had that much influence, wouldnt he have stopped Infinity from resigning O&A to their big contract in 01'? Apparently Infinity thought well enough of them to resign them and make sure that they did not go to Clear Channel and go up against him in the mornings.
 
> Who cares why Howard put the gag on? The reason that Howard
> had the power for the gag order is because he build Infitity
> Broadcasting and made the company BILLIONS of dollars. I'm
> so sick of these O & A comparisons to Howard. That is like
> comparing some crappy garage band who was briefly signed by
> label and dropped to a band like U2. They can complain all
> they want about how U2 sucks, but at the end of the day
> people only want to hear U2. Like the crappy garage band,
> no one knows Opie and Anthony and no one gives a damn!


Oh, that old gag. Using your logic, U2 is and will always be the only band with any talent, and there is no reason for anyone to ever want to hear anything else. Of course, why bother anyway when all rock is just U2 clones?
 
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