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Steve and Vikki B98.5 commericals have begun

I saw it on the WSB-TV 5 PM news. 15 Seconds with Steve and Vikki basically announcing the two traditional liners, "Atlanta's Best Variety of Soft Rock" (with the lush and soft "Hella Good" from No Doubt in the background), and the "50 Minute Music Hours". Then Vikki says "Starting on July 1st...US".

I wonder if the Star 94 noncomepte allows for this (promotional appearances). I have not heard a word on the station's air that Steve and Vikki are coming.

Also...this is the first time EVER air talent has appeared in a commercial for the station. I wonder why Kelly and Alpha, Jordan Graye, or Kelly McCoy have never appeared in commercials for the station.
 
You wonder why Jordan Graye has never been in TV ad? Think about it. S & V are a personality driven show, Jordan music-driven.
 
I don't know anything about the non-compete situation. But this sounds like a good strategy for bringing listeners over to B98.5 during the spring book, which started Thursday of last week. Just the association as the Steve & Vikki station sounds smart.
 
RTibbs said:
You wonder why Jordan Graye has never been in TV ad? Think about it. S & V are a personality driven show, Jordan music-driven.
You got it wrong, don't quantify the talent based on the station that employs them. The station is owned by Cox and music intensive, just like the River. Jordan is an on-air talent with lots of personality but she works at a station that has a philosophy of less talk more music.
 
jal41 said:
I saw it on the WSB-TV 5 PM news. 15 Seconds with Steve and Vikki basically announcing the two traditional liners, "Atlanta's Best Variety of Soft Rock" (with the lush and soft "Hella Good" from No Doubt in the background), and the "50 Minute Music Hours". Then Vikki says "Starting on July 1st...US".

I wonder if the Star 94 noncomepte allows for this (promotional appearances). I have not heard a word on the station's air that Steve and Vikki are coming.

Also...this is the first time EVER air talent has appeared in a commercial for the station. I wonder why Kelly and Alpha, Jordan Graye, or Kelly McCoy have never appeared in commercials for the station.

You are correct sir! The company doesn't promote talent through tv or radio.....so what does that tell you about my thoughts about Steve and Vicki?! hmm Referring to the duo as talent...questionable in my opinion no matter how long they've been in this business or this market. The company is stepping away from it's less talk, more music philosophy by hiring S&V. A risking move on their part because it doesn't line up with the rest of the station.
 
RAD1 said:
RTibbs said:
You wonder why Jordan Graye has never been in TV ad? Think about it. S & V are a personality driven show, Jordan music-driven.
You got it wrong, don't quantify the talent based on the station that employs them. The station is owned by Cox and music intensive, just like the River. Jordan is an on-air talent with lots of personality but she works at a station that has a philosophy of less talk more music.

I disagreeyou should instead be promoting the fact you are the no 1 listen while you work station. Why would you promote Jordan Graye if she is on a music-driven show? Also why promote a mid-day slot. I really don'[t recall ever seeing any station run a TV ad for a non-morning show. You guys are just looking for reasons to take shots at B98. Name one TV ad you ever seen promoting a jock who is music-driven. Mra Davis might be the only one in the market worthy of such.
 
What's the matter with taking shots at B98.5? Are Cox owned stations not allowed to be criticized on this board?
Doesn't matter, didn't listen to S&V or 98.5 before, now this makes it an easy choice.
 
I don't like either also but to suggest that jordan Graye is worthy of a TV campaign is ridiculous.
 
I find it pretty amazing that FINALLY, after three plus years of everybody bitching about how lame, bad, worthless, mundane,
unchanging, tired Atlanta radio is, you GUYS come on this board and start picking apart a radio station for women. How clueless
can it get? WE ain't the target audience.

1.) Women generally don't mind as much talk in the morning about nothing as men. Just like women don't prefer sports talk.
Morning shows, for the past decade, have been virtual format changes from the most every station vs. their midday and afternoon music!
Why is it any different suddenly that B starts a more talk morning show. And who is to say that S & V son't tone it down
for an AC older skewing format?

2.) Steve and Vicki have no talent? Rad, where's your proof of this? Again, some people seem to think they're decent. Like 'em
or not...they're probably overall one of the Top 20 most successful on-air talents out there. Take your personnal dislikes out of
the picture and be objective and you'll go a lot further in justifying your viewpoints. Do you prefer TRG or Bert? I dunno, choice
is available for a reason. A ratings increase is exactly what kind of risk? This is the most logical radio move in the last two years
in Atlanta radio. Who else will offer AC music in the morning? This station will win in every aspect...and it will be swift and secure.
Additionally, the station has the chance to grow the audience by actually being a bit adventerous. Isn't lame and same the
very element everyone complains about???

3.) As for a non-compete, sorry to tell you, is Steve actually on the commercials??? Vicki's contract was up. If a radio station
fires or let's go of an air personality, a lot of the issues are moot. Or other times, the person let go stays of the air and collects
the rest of the contractually obligated $$$. I actually think it hurts to have many months off overall. But, S & V could take a
year off and they'd still be popular. Not a lot of morning hosts have that pedigree.

4.) I do wonder how many McCoy's one station can have. I just wonder how long before there's room for on one Real McCoy on
the air. Could be a bit of fun radio marketing if they do it right.

The stations not being programmed to impress or win any of us posting on this board (from the views most express, I sense
very few 40 +/- females, wasting their time here.)

I understand that we all have the right to say our thoughts here, I just am surprised that so many would be so negative and
see this only from their narrow viewpoint as if the whole market was their demo. Look at it as a real programmer targeting
a specific group and trash it all you want. But, if you're not in that target, don't believe for a minute that this change is
not well thought out, smart and exactly what WILL work.

And, FWIW, I won't be listening either, and I am glad I don't have to play or program that music, but I see this from a business
viewpoint as a huge step toward dominating the most desired audience. And, none of us, if we were reaping the financial
benefits from this station, would turn our noses up in the air to S&V, commercials or a top billing station just because
"we don't like them" or they station is a bunch boring overplayed music...would we??
 
Steve and Vikki will do great on B. There listeners are older and have changed with them. Why not promote them? It just shows that Star pushed them out the door and for all the Steve and Vikki listeners to go ahead and program there presets to B98. Other stations might want to pay attention and do the same. Pre Promote so you start with a bang. Sounds good to me, but you guys are the ones that know it all.
 
RTibbs said:
RAD1 said:
RTibbs said:
You wonder why Jordan Graye has never been in TV ad? Think about it. S & V are a personality driven show, Jordan music-driven.
You got it wrong, don't quantify the talent based on the station that employs them. The station is owned by Cox and music intensive, just like the River. Jordan is an on-air talent with lots of personality but she works at a station that has a philosophy of less talk more music.

I disagreeyou should instead be promoting the fact you are the no 1 listen while you work station. Why would you promote Jordan Graye if she is on a music-driven show? Also why promote a mid-day slot. I really don'[t recall ever seeing any station run a TV ad for a non-morning show. You guys are just looking for reasons to take shots at B98. Name one TV ad you ever seen promoting a jock who is music-driven. Mra Davis might be the only one in the market worthy of such.
You got it wrong, having a jock in a commercial for the station IS promoting the station. It wouldn't be to promote the jock or the timeslot. The jock is a known representative of the station. I saw the random girl in the B98 tv commericals on air, why NOT use someone like Jordan instead. That makes better sense since Jordan is actually a part of the station! And you contradicted yourself, first it's not ok to use a b98 midday jock for tv but it's ok for another station to?? I think you favor one station over another with that remark.
 
Tibbs2 said:
I find it pretty amazing that FINALLY, after three plus years of everybody bitching about how lame, bad, worthless, mundane,
unchanging, tired Atlanta radio is, you GUYS come on this board and start picking apart a radio station for women. How clueless
can it get? WE ain't the target audience.

Presumptuous to assume that everyone who comments is not part of the B98 demo. Not so!

1.) Women generally don't mind as much talk in the morning about nothing as men. Just like women don't prefer sports talk.

Don't generalize it shows your lack of intelligence. Women do like sports and not a lot of talk.

Morning shows, for the past decade, have been virtual format changes from the most every station vs. their midday and afternoon music!
Why is it any different suddenly that B starts a more talk morning show. And who is to say that S & V son't tone it down
for an AC older skewing format?

2.) Steve and Vicki have no talent? Rad, where's your proof of this? Again, some people seem to think they're decent. Like 'em
or not...they're probably overall one of the Top 20 most successful on-air talents out there. Take your personnal dislikes out of
the picture and be objective and you'll go a lot further in justifying your viewpoints. Do you prefer TRG or Bert?

Proof?...relax, it's an opinion and everyone has one. I've heard much better morning shows than S&V. I don't jump on the band wagon like everyone else seems to do.

I dunno, choice
is available for a reason. A ratings increase is exactly what kind of risk? This is the most logical radio move in the last two years
in Atlanta radio. Who else will offer AC music in the morning? This station will win in every aspect...and it will be swift and secure.
Additionally, the station has the chance to grow the audience by actually being a bit adventerous. Isn't lame and same the
very element everyone complains about???

Everyone? Not me, just the facts ma'am no complaints. Again, generalizing, not your best quality.

3.) As for a non-compete, sorry to tell you, is Steve actually on the commercials??? Vicki's contract was up. If a radio station
fires or let's go of an air personality, a lot of the issues are moot.

Not so my friend. Ask any personality that was let go or fired and tried to get another job in the same market. Your non compete still has to be honored unfortunately.You can challenge it of course but a lot of the issues are not moot.

Or other times, the person let go stays of the air and collects
the rest of the contractually obligated $$$. I actually think it hurts to have many months off overall. But, S & V could take a
year off and they'd still be popular. Not a lot of morning hosts have that pedigree.


4.) I do wonder how many McCoy's one station can have. I just wonder how long before there's room for on one Real McCoy on
the air. Could be a bit of fun radio marketing if they do it right.

The stations not being programmed to impress or win any of us posting on this board (from the views most express, I sense
very few 40 +/- females, wasting their time here.)
I understand that we all have the right to say our thoughts here, I just am surprised that so many would be so negative and
see this only from their narrow viewpoint as if the whole market was their demo. Look at it as a real programmer targeting
a specific group and trash it all you want. But, if you're not in that target, don't believe for a minute that this change is
not well thought out, smart and exactly what WILL work.

Again, you assume....and wrong I might add about who is on this board and being part of the demo. Not everyone is outside the demo and if you have a passion about radio that's why many post on this board. It's not being negative just because you disagree with someone elses opinion! Get over it, there's more than just one thought process. Don't be so blind, open your eyes.

And, FWIW, I won't be listening either, and I am glad I don't have to play or program that music, but I see this from a business
viewpoint as a huge step toward dominating the most desired audience. And, none of us, if we were reaping the financial
benefits from this station, would turn our noses up in the air to S&V, commercials or a top billing station just because
"we don't like them" or they station is a bunch boring overplayed music...would we??

As a listener, I could give a s**t about the financial aspect. As a programmer in radio for 20 plus years, I'll give you that, radio is and always has been a business. I live with it but I don't like it. It takes away from what real radio use to be and should be. Long gone are the days when programming actually focused on music quality, let on-air talent be personalities and not liner jocks and gave a damn about listener input. Doing music tests or using a research company out of the market to decide what to play and how to program a station is a huge disservice.
 
Long gone are the days when programming actually focused on music quality, let on-air talent be personalities and not liner jocks and gave a damn about listener input. Doing music tests or using a research company out of the market to decide what to play and how to program a station is a huge disservice.

Ummm... music tests and market research IS listener input. Who do you think are the people in the focus groups and the music tests? They are P-1 and P-2 listeners of the station. What "listener input" do you think is better - the request lines? :D
 
OutOfTheBiz said:
Long gone are the days when programming actually focused on music quality, let on-air talent be personalities and not liner jocks and gave a damn about listener input. Doing music tests or using a research company out of the market to decide what to play and how to program a station is a huge disservice.

Ummm... music tests and market research IS listener input. Who do you think are the people in the focus groups and the music tests? They are P-1 and P-2 listeners of the station. What "listener input" do you think is better - the request lines? :D
You must be truly out of the biz....I'm not and talking to listeners daily on the phone and on site contradicts most everything music tests and research done out of the market provide!
 
RAD1 said:
RTibbs said:
RAD1 said:
RTibbs said:
You wonder why Jordan Graye has never been in TV ad? Think about it. S & V are a personality driven show, Jordan music-driven.
You got it wrong, don't quantify the talent based on the station that employs them. The station is owned by Cox and music intensive, just like the River. Jordan is an on-air talent with lots of personality but she works at a station that has a philosophy of less talk more music.

I don;t think I contradicted my self by saying Mara might be the only one. I think most people recognize her as personality hence the reason she survived the format change when no one else did.

I disagreeyou should instead be promoting the fact you are the no 1 listen while you work station. Why would you promote Jordan Graye if she is on a music-driven show? Also why promote a mid-day slot. I really don'[t recall ever seeing any station run a TV ad for a non-morning show. You guys are just looking for reasons to take shots at B98. Name one TV ad you ever seen promoting a jock who is music-driven. Mra Davis might be the only one in the market worthy of such.
You got it wrong, having a jock in a commercial for the station IS promoting the station. It wouldn't be to promote the jock or the timeslot. The jock is a known representative of the station. I saw the random girl in the B98 tv commericals on air, why NOT use someone like Jordan instead. That makes better sense since Jordan is actually a part of the station! And you contradicted yourself, first it's not ok to use a b98 midday jock for tv but it's ok for another station to?? I think you favor one station over another with that remark.
 
I have to STRONGLY disagree with questioning the "talent" of Vikki & Steve! Top quality air talent is much like umpiring ... they make it look easy and effortless, yet there is much preparation, sweat and hard work behind the scenes to create a smooth presentation.

Jerry Lewis once said he would rehearse his best ad-libs for months before using them in a show.

Same with on-air talent ... the BEST make it seem EASY!

Sometimes you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone - witness V & S compared to the Morning Mess. The messy trio can't hold a candle to true professionals in terms of preparation, general knowledge, awareness, creativity, spontaneity and "smoothness" of the on-air product.

You don't survive for 18 years as a team without a LOT of talent, and I predict another nice healthy tenure at B98.5!
 
The Flash said:
I have to STRONGLY disagree with questioning the "talent" of Vikki & Steve! Top quality air talent is much like umpiring ... they make it look easy and effortless, yet there is much preparation, sweat and hard work behind the scenes to create a smooth presentation.

Jerry Lewis once said he would rehearse his best ad-libs for months before using them in a show.

Same with on-air talent ... the BEST make it seem EASY!

Sometimes you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone - witness V & S compared to the Morning Mess. The messy trio can't hold a candle to true professionals in terms of preparation, general knowledge, awareness, creativity, spontaneity and "smoothness" of the on-air product.

You don't survive for 18 years as a team without a LOT of talent, and I predict another nice healthy tenure at B98.5!
I didn't say it was easy, their job or radio period. It's just my personal opinion of S&V like it or not. Star obviously wanted S&V out hence their departure and the misteriously illness that many still quesiton. Not a fan of the MMess either but they fit a younger demo and that's what Star seems to be going after.
 
RAD1 said:
OutOfTheBiz said:
Long gone are the days when programming actually focused on music quality, let on-air talent be personalities and not liner jocks and gave a damn about listener input. Doing music tests or using a research company out of the market to decide what to play and how to program a station is a huge disservice.

Ummm... music tests and market research IS listener input. Who do you think are the people in the focus groups and the music tests? They are P-1 and P-2 listeners of the station. What "listener input" do you think is better - the request lines? :D
You must be truly out of the biz....I'm not and talking to listeners daily on the phone and on site contradicts most everything music tests and research done out of the market provide!

You must have never worked for a station big enough to actually afford any market research then, or you would know that it's never "out of the market." The whole POINT is to research your own station's listeners.
You also obviously have no understanding of how to collect a sample that reflect your audience as a whole. These listeners you chat with on the phone - are they a correct demographic sample of your audience? Do you have enough to make a statistically valid sample within a correct margin of error? There's a cardinal rule of research: Garbage in, garbage out.

Now, of course, I realize there are many cases where cash-strapped companies (cough - Clear Channel - cough) may attempt to do a "national" music research project and plug it in to may different markets, but I'm not talking about that. Local research, conducted correctly, and used properly, is invaluable. Trying to do it any other way is a disaster waiting to happen.
 
OutOfTheBiz said:
RAD1 said:
OutOfTheBiz said:
Long gone are the days when programming actually focused on music quality, let on-air talent be personalities and not liner jocks and gave a damn about listener input. Doing music tests or using a research company out of the market to decide what to play and how to program a station is a huge disservice.

Ummm... music tests and market research IS listener input. Who do you think are the people in the focus groups and the music tests? They are P-1 and P-2 listeners of the station. What "listener input" do you think is better - the request lines? :D
You must be truly out of the biz....I'm not and talking to listeners daily on the phone and on site contradicts most everything music tests and research done out of the market provide!

You must have never worked for a station big enough to actually afford any market research then, or you would know that it's never "out of the market." The whole POINT is to research your own station's listeners.
You also obviously have no understanding of how to collect a sample that reflect your audience as a whole. These listeners you chat with on the phone - are they a correct demographic sample of your audience? Do you have enough to make a statistically valid sample within a correct margin of error? There's a cardinal rule of research: Garbage in, garbage out.

Now, of course, I realize there are many cases where cash-strapped companies (cough - Clear Channel - cough) may attempt to do a "national" music research project and plug it in to may different markets, but I'm not talking about that. Local research, conducted correctly, and used properly, is invaluable. Trying to do it any other way is a disaster waiting to happen.

Again, you assume and again you are wrong! I've worked for major radio companies and I have been part of putting together music tests. I don't disagree with research if it is local but as I said before, it's now conducted OUTSIDE the market area and that I don't agree with. I don't care if you have the same demo sampled for the music test, if it's not in the market area it's wasteful. Use an outside research company to conduct a music test within the market, that I'm ok with.
 
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