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stream.wbai.org versus Sandy?

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Darth_vader

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So when I tried to access the various WBAI streams in Kaffeine and VLC a few minutes ago, they both gave me their equivalent of a 404 error on all three stream services (http://stream.wbai.org:8000/wbai_128, /wbai_64k and /24k, respectively.) The status page (http://stream.wbai.org/streamstatus.php) also returns nothing with regard to the currently-available streams.

Is their stream server down right now because of the weather? That might explain why it's not working here. I've not been around to Global Tuners yet, so I've not been able to aircheck 'BAI and see if it's still on the air.
 
WBAI has had dead air over the air for the past couple of days ..
 
Lower Manhattan where they are located is without power, or transportation to get to the station. I don't believe they have back up generators at the WBAI. Even the NYSE itself had limited operations today due to the flooding and lack of public services. NY was hit with the worst storm in recorded history & I've lived here for 56 years. Quite a few AM broadcasters don't even have their transmitters on the air for a multitude of reasons.
 
I see. I was on Global Tuners about an hour ago, on the Buffalo rig, and there wasn't even so much as dead air on 99.5. I'm guessing they either must have cut the transmitter or the power in that part of town went out as well.

Strangely enough, they posted this mysterious message to their web page earlier today: http://wbai.org/articles.php?headline=Hurricane Update: WBAI ON THE AIR [size=8pt](SECURITY WARNING: uses Javascripting and G Analytics tracking code).
 
Darth_vader said:
I see. I was on Global Tuners about an hour ago, on the Buffalo rig, and there wasn't even so much as dead air on 99.5. I'm guessing they either must have cut the transmitter or the power in that part of town went out as well.

Strangely enough, they posted this mysterious message to their web page earlier today: http://wbai.org/articles.php?headline=Hurricane Update: WBAI ON THE AIR [size=8pt](SECURITY WARNING: uses Javascripting and G Analytics tracking code).

Buffalo is 300 miles from NYC. There are also much more important things WBAI needs to worry about than keeping the stream online.
 
"Buffalo is 300 miles from NYC."

Yes, but I've gotten WBAI on the Buffalo rig several times before*. Their signal gets out. I mean, if Bernie S can get it all the way down in Philadelphia.....

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What kind of antenna do they use? I occasionally can get WBAI on my Poughkeepsie tuner, but it's not that consistent.
 
Darth_vader said:
"Buffalo is 300 miles from NYC."

Yes, but I've gotten WBAI on the Buffalo rig several times before*

With a 100 kW co-channel station (WDCX) right in Buffalo? No, I don't think so. That would be like getting 92.3 from Boise on a tuner in Portland, right there under KGON.
 
Yes, Scott, I think so. Don't think you can tell me what my ears have heard. If there was another station in Buffalo on that channel, it either must have been running at reduced power or the receiver's aerial was in its null. Either way, WBAI's scratchy there, but was still audible the few times I heard it.

KIZN versus KGON is also an extremely poor comparison. Remember, both the Cascades and the Blue Mountains stand right in the way, effectively blocking any VHF signal making its way over here from the east and vice-versa.

You can have your own opinions, Scott, but not your own facts.
 
Darth_vader said:
You can have your own opinions, Scott, but not your own facts.

No, you're right...I've only actually lived in this neck of the woods, listening to radio and then consulting with actual broadcasters on actual signal propagation, for the better part of 40 years now. Clearly I have no idea what's on the air here, much less what typical radio reception is like, compared with someone tuning in a web radio from all the way across the country. And surely I have no sense of what the terrain is like between Buffalo and New York City, either. (Hint: we have terrain here in the east, too. There's a little thing called the "Catskill Mountains" that rises up to more than 4000 feet above sea level, forming a near-perfect terrain blockage between the Empire State Building antennas, some 1500 feet above sea level, and the Buffalo area, 600 or so feet above sea level. And there's the Allegany Plateau forming a further barrier, culminating in the very hills south of Buffalo where the WDCX 99.5 transmitter is located.)

I have no idea what the heck you say you heard. If the "Buffalo" Global Tuners node is really where it says it is, it's within about 10 miles of the WDCX transmitter, which is a 110 kW grandfathered superpower flamethrower that just happens to be almost exactly along the same bearing as WBAI would be. WDCX also happens to be one of the best-engineered stations in the region. It's not often that it's off the air, and even if it were for some reason operating at "reduced power," the Buffalo tuner (if it's where it claims to be) would still have to be looking right through it to hear WBAI co-channel.

[Also: at least based on the profile of the guy who runs the Buffalo tuner, KG9NZ, he's not even in a location that allows for an outdoor FM antenna. That you heard nothing on 99.5 on his rig probably means that there's no FM antenna connected at all. But here, see for yourself: http://www.qrz.com/db/KG9NZ]

We happen to have a very active and very passionate base of FM DXers here in western New York, many of us with actual outdoor antennas. If it were possible to hear Empire State Building FM signals from the Buffalo area (a nearly 400 mile distance for a 4 kW signal), much less to do so on a routine basis, it's damn near certain that someone out here would have done so, and would have very eagerly reported it to the WTFDA FM list and to "VHF-UHF Digest." The fact is that in over half a century of documented active FM DXing from the area, that's not a reception path that has ever been a favorable one.

Given the choice between believing a half-dozen of the more prominent and more fastidious DXers anywhere in the country (and my own ears), or some guy 3000 miles away who claims to have heard something over a web tuner (and a "few times," at that), I know what I think.
 
Oh, and one more thing, in the event you're more interested in a factual discussion than in the usual insult-slinging: The only well-documented VHF reception along this path in recent decades has been the former WVOR 100.5 here in Rochester, whose 50 kW signal (more than 10x as strong as WBAI) from a site about 1000 feet above sea level used to be routinely heard by a DXer in Sparta, New Jersey, considerably closer to Rochester and Buffalo and also at about 1000 feet above sea level on a northwest-facing hillside that's much more terrain-favorable for a path in this direction. And even that ~300-mile reception (100 miles or so less than the WBAI-to-Buffalo path) went away when a co-channel class A station came on the air in Binghamton, halfway between Sparta and here. (For what it's worth, the Sparta DXer was and is himself rather terrain-blocked to Empire, even though he's less than 40 miles away.)
 
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