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Sue Wilson's Sacramento Bee Article - No Lib Talk + "Fairness" Doctrine

In The Sunday, May 11th Sacramento Bee, Sue Wilson outlines her reasoning for a return to a failed policy of many years ago: the falsely-labeled "Fairness Doctrine", as part of an article bemoaning the lack of liberal talk on Sacramento Radio as well as nationwide.

It would take hours to do a point-by-point rebuttal to some of the almost laughable claims in parts of this article....although, to be fair, Wilson does make some very valid points, especially arguing for re-instatement of ownership limitations within a single market.

What cracked me up most was the claim that on NPR "one is as likely to hear a Republican's views as a Democrat's"...which any objective ear knows is patently false. While NPR is not the far-left extremist’s network it was 30 years ago, the news is clearly slanted left, and the numbers of liberal commentators far exceed those expressing conservative viewpoints. I worked at a NPR affiliate for years and still listen once in a while....it generally uses the trick of opening with a liberal slant, culling a liberal's soundbite, offering briefer opposing views, closing with a liberal rebuttal and story close, then patting itself on the back for being "fair and balanced"...all, by the way, being heavily subsidized with Federal taxpayer funding under the guise of a shell organization called The Corporation For Public Broadcasting.

Link to the story: http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/927485.html

Wilson also slants her story with the incredible argument that The FCC & radio corporate giants are the sole reasons for liberal talk's total abject failure. Wilson's article doesn't even mention Air America and its multi-leveled collapse. It had ample start-up funding, gads of totally free publicity, access in major markets....then put on an unlistenable product that died.

Yes, in the last book, 1240 showed some increases....but from a steady record of dismal ratings and failure to sell spots...You see, Sue, most advertisers want their costly ads to be heard by listeners; only a few buy spots to support a station's political agenda. {And if you read Paula Nelson's quotes, damn few of them did.}

There was talk around 2005 {when I was at KFBK} that Clear Channel was actively attempting to create an alternative "progressive talk" network, with the idea to counter-program some conservative talk programming {even their own} and cover all aspects of the talk spectrum. From what I understand, this was deemed a cash burner, and the Mays Family decided not to add to the red ink and instead opted to prepare CC for partial sale.

Look.....there really are only a few stations with signal strength, dial position and adequate capitalization to be mega-successes. In just the past 2-3 years, Sacramento had both 1240 & 1320 kill themselves with 24/7 Bush-Bashing, and both rightly gave up the ghost and decided they might try to actually make money with a different format.

To serve "The Public Interest" does NOT mean you must air a "yes" for every "no"....there are dozens of channels that can challenge you with opposing views, if they so desire. Bringing back the "UN-Fairness" Doctrine is just another attempt to silence conservative talk under the false guise of "being fair"... If broadcasters are faced with requirements to broadcast formats/opinions proven unprofitable, the hope of some is they will just silence all the political talk and go back to playing the latest hits {if regulatory boards and trade organizations don't price themselves off the air}, and political argument will be left to, well, the left.... on tiny stations and liberal fixtures like KPFA.

If liberal...excuse me....."progressive" talk were marketable, others would try it....but they've seen the failures of the recent past and choose not to waste their time...or ours.
 
BurnedOutOnTheBoards said:
In The Sunday, May 11th Sacramento Bee, Sue Wilson outlines her reasoning for a return to a failed policy of many years ago: the falsely-labeled "Fairness Doctrine", as part of an article bemoaning the lack of liberal talk on Sacramento Radio as well as nationwide.

It would take hours to do a point-by-point rebuttal to some of the almost laughable claims in parts of this article....although, to be fair, Wilson does make some very valid points, especially arguing for re-instatement of ownership limitations within a single market........
....If liberal...excuse me....."progressive" talk were marketable, others would try it....but they've seen the failures of the recent past and choose not to waste their time...or ours.

After reading that Bee article, I agree with you, BurnedOut....

Here's a quote from that article:
"One thing is certain: It is time to act. Progressive talk radio has been taken off the air in
Boston; Fresno; San Diego; Madison, Wis.; Eugene, Ore.; Austin, Texas; New Haven, Conn.;
Columbus, Ohio and other markets all across the country since the 2006 election, often
replaced with formats that get lower ratings. But in Madison and Columbus, people rose
together and protested and brought progressive radio back to their communities."

I know the station in Eugene , because Nancy Stapp - whom I worked with on "the
other side of the glass," she at KVON 1440, I at KVYN 99.3 - became morning host there
at A.A. affiliate KOPT, a Churchill Media-owned station and one-time Spanish-format
station...at the high-end of the dial (1600 KC)...

I and a cohort who joined me for the ride heard little, if any, advertising on KOPT...
Months later, Stapp was gone...

KOPT was reportedly sold to non-comm Oregon Public Broadcasting(!!) as a repeater for its
programming:
http://www.registerguard.com/rg/Search/dt.cms.support.viewStory.cls?cid=28407&sid=1&fid=1

Regards OPB, I paraphrase the old "Chickenman" radio show's opening line:
"IT'S EVERYWHERE!! IT'S EVERYWHERE!!"

As for Madison and Columbus, let's see how long those comebacks last...
--jay
 
The major problem with Air America was that it was boring. It wasn't what was said on the air, it was how the opinions were presented. No one wants to listen to boring radio, no matter who does it.
 
SoCal Tom.......

You nailed it, Tom....Air America was/is boring. Even my most liberal friend, an attorney/politician, told me he could usually take about 1/2 an hour before switching off. I'll never forget what he said: "I hate Bush, but he didn't cause every single problem on the planet...and that's all I ever heard on Air America."

djj.....

One thing has not been discussed much: what if a liberal talk network was formed that was not centered on a vain attempt to reverse Gore V. Bush via vilification, but rather constructively pointed out liberal solutions to today's pressing problems? The only thing missing: quality broadcasters delivering quality entertaining content.

I mean, really.....did Al Franken qualify? Sorry. Rachel Maddow? Please. Randi Rhodes. Not in her Hillary-Is-A-#$%$#@@! lifetime. They couldn't even begin to polish Rush's cough button...not because their political agendas were any "better" or "worse"...it was because their talents were not in talk radio.

This is not a commercial for Limbaugh's show....I don't really listen to him often. And, when I did {I worked overnight boards when KFBK ran late-night Limbaugh re-runs}, I'd sometimes cringe. But you gotta tip your cap to talent, and he's got it, as a professional broadcaster who has maintained an enormous audience over an extended period of time.

Follow-up even before I finished this: a friend called me this morning to inform me Rush Limbaugh was tearing
through Sue Wilson's column, and Rush made some of my points...I only caught the very end of Rush's mini-rant, but he pointed out one of my main contentions: that "The Fairness Doctrine" is just a thinly veiled attempt to destroy "Talk Radio", because talk radio remains the one mass media not dominated by moderate-to-far-left wing liberals. Look at how the deck is stacked: clearly, NBC/MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, the massive NPR/PBS networks and most major newspapers tilt left; FNC and successful talk radio tilt right. Since liberals have not & cannot dominate talk radio, they want to legislate it into oblivion.

And that kind of governmental control over broadcasters, on top of all the various restrictive FCC regs, is something I only contemplate when I'm forced to....because it's one frightful proposition.
 
Greetings once again to BurnedOut, who sez:
"djj.....

One thing has not been discussed much: what if a liberal talk network was formed that was not centered on a vain attempt to reverse Gore V. Bush via vilification, but rather constructively pointed out liberal solutions to today's pressing problems? The only thing missing: quality broadcasters delivering quality entertaining content."

That's where Ed Schultz was supposed to come in...an antidote to
the one-note samba that A.H.A. (read, Air-Head America) seemed to
only be capable of providing...or so I thought...
P.S.: is it me, or is Schultz a pseudo-Rush Limbaugh soundalike?

When the Telecommunications Act of 1996 came around, I thought
the state of talk radio would improve, as would more formats for all
demographics. Wrong again...KCTC, 1320 KC, killed a good thing when
they switched from a durable MOR/standards format to A.H.A, and you
saw how long THAT lasted on 1320! The one-note samba got old...
--jay
 
KSAC got a 1.8 two and half years ago with the air america format..last book before KCTC stole them away into oblivion. I was getting threes in the afternoon on a little 1,000 watter with no sales staff andgot thousands of people to turn out for great , fun, artful protests etc. I'd love to hear some real talk radio in Sacramento again...but in the interim...You all who want to hear it ..can turn to the largest station in Northern California for the last thirty years..KGO....where the talk gets progressively more liberal as the day moves on. and the 50,000 watt signal can be heard to hell and back.

KGO is a huge success in part because it offers all points of view...much like KFBK used to do when it's ratings were double what they are now..rush in the morning..;libs in the afternoon.
 
Sorry Christine,
My KGO listening days are fewer and fewer since they canned Bernie Ward and silenced his opinion during what could be the most historical election this country has ever had. KGO was better when it was owned by Disney.
 
djj.....

I shared the notion with the '96 act there would be more for everyone, but it sure didn't work out that way...
Schultz has some style, but cannot seriously be ranked with Limbaugh as an entertainer...THAT'S why Rush has the stations/listeners he has. I've never bought into the notion that you had to be one or the other...either a "serious" political commentator OR a radio entertainer....hell, Paul Harvey in his prime was great radio and seriously influential at the same time.

Ms. Craft....

Though I tried a few times, I never became one of your regular listeners, but I did think you were miles ahead of Air America's sub-standard of quality...and some threes in that situation merits kudos...but I'll say it again: if "progressive talk" would sell, the same corporate suits would be out there pitching it as hard as Rush.

I, too, long for some locally-produced talk with bite...when I worked with Mark Williams nights on BK back in 2004-5, I felt that he pushed it too far sometimes, but you could hear passion and interest in the presentation...something that has been totally erased from that time slot....along with any interest I had in listening.

I favor localism with a blend of national product because I believe that "serves the public interest" more than demanding stations air unprofitable product and the inevitable expenditure evaporation that follows. As somewhat of a radio history buff, I cringe at the reductions in quality, the lack of experimentation, the flair that sometimes made locally-produced product worth listening to.

SFSAC....

Really now....especially after his guilty plea, how was KGO gonna keep Ward on the air? Man, I wouldn't wanna be HIS call-screener after this story {but I would like to hear the tapes}.....
 
IMO,

Progressive Talk failed in sacramento because of 3 things.

1) Not enough local talk. Progressives like local shows much more than conservatives. The two best local talk show hosts in sacramento were Christine Craft and the much underrated Carolyn Crane (used to do monday mornings at KVMR up in nevada city). They talked about the issues that locals really cared about, and could still carry on conversations about national and international issues with a nice local california twist.
2) Paula Nelson. No offense to her, but she doesn't know how to treat her people, or her customers.
3) Crappy signal. It didn't reach a lot of areas where the "libs" are hiding.

it didn't fail because nobody buys spots on progressive radio. that's wrong. there are plenty of businesses that are perfect for buying spots on progressive radio;
Holistic Doctors/Vets/Clinics (you know what kind of clinic i'm talking about... you've seen the ads in SN&R)
Food Co-Ops (Davis, Sac, Sunrise Natural Foods)
Solar Sales
i mean this niche is perfect. There's no shortage of customers.

And people don't listen to progressive talk? PLEASE, tons of people tuned into Air America when it first started, they just didn't like what they heard, and tuned out.

It has to be done right to get people to listen. Christine was awesome, if we had more shows like that, progressive talk wouldn't fail.
 
I kicked Mark Williams ass in the ratings..when I was at BK...but not a fair comparison...when Bernie and I (consecutively) were the afternoon liberal voices at KFBK...KFBK had double the ratings..DOUBLE the ratings it has now.
 
Most of you who try to lift the spirit of liberal radio....realistically in most cases in major cities, it's failing or failed miserably. Hot talk radio when it formed in the mid 80's.... was a potpourri of talk programs in average 3 hour cycles where one host in the morning was conservative, another guy was a centric , or the middle , and another so on was a extreme liberal, then a psychic, and then an Art bell and so on and so on. By the 90's Hot talk became fragmented like top 40....all conservative, or all liberal, and so on.
Apparently whether the station was both sides or one side, it was the left that always failed.
The left media today or for the last 15 years has control of the newspapers, cable television, network and local evening news, news stand magazines and Hollywood.. Circulation is down and continues , stations like MSNBC has the worst ratings, and even the network news magazines are off or slowly fading.
AM was the only antiquated media left that no one wanted , especially Top 40, which left it up for talk to take over.
Mario Cuomo tried to break into syndication like Rush and Hannity, and how long did that last....Jerry Browne did the same based in Oakland, not one Bay area signal carried his program. And yes, in a city as predictable as San Francisco.....even KGO (even though there still at the top) I seen their numbers trickle down over the years from the 13.0 + shares of the early 90's to barely the 6's today. With KSFO slowly nibbling away at their lead that they had a head start 20 years ago.
Air America is poor, I don't have to be a liberal to know that, and gee....that's all we need is a former rapper to broadcast his politics. AA is still on the air as a few other shows , because yes liberals will support (I mean shell out the bucks whether it's theirs or someone else's money just to keep their agenda going on in people's faces. It doesn't matter what the ratings or profit is.
And it seems the majority moves away or it's not tuning in. Because...liberals are suicidal. Even when they know something isn't working for them financially, they'll still stand by their agenda so they can take everyone else down with them. That's really their whole agenda.
Despite the left taking control of all the sources.....it seemed AM radio was the only place left for the majority to go, or otherwise kiss the AM band goodbye. The rest as you know is filled with bland sports talk or most of it, ethnic and preachers. Tell me what else would work on it. Considering corporation radio (Not that I like them eithier) they still believe in audience equals dollars, before they watch their kingdom fall in front of their faces..... they will cater to where it works. So the fair doctrine is nothing but an invasion of someone elses success. You had a your chance you failed overall.

And a few cities like SF., Madison, and West Palm Beach where it has some ratings...check any other market...liberal talk .5, .9 and what's so good about a 1.8? I don't care what signal. and the 3 cities I mentioned above relate to what you preach....they are not safe, there even worst to live in.
Just asked the slain college student who lives in a town where the pander and welcome transcients.
I'll never be one of you (s).
 
Ms. Craft....

If I only had saved a nickel for every time somebody in my former profession told me, "My ratings ten years ago were....", I'd be one wealthy ex-jock......

I'm sure your ratings were fine...but why are you not dominating on KFBK today? Kitty's been there for decades...if your ratings dominance was so tremendous, what caused your disappearance?

These are not, I hope, taken as insulting...I'm just curious as to why a proven winner is no longer at the #1 in this market.


studio-gaspasser,

"it didn't fail because nobody buys spots on progressive radio. that's wrong. there are plenty of businesses that are perfect for buying spots on progressive radio".....

I could not agree more...EXCEPT THE SPOTS WERE NOT BOUGHT, PERIOD. Poor or lacking salesmanship? I dunno...but it seems to have happened in virtually every market, with either network or local fare. Certainly, it LOOKS like there are many possible sponsor/supporters of "progressive talk"...but I hearken back to Paula Nelson's lament: "They didn't spend a dime..."

Your three reasons do make sense, although much of local talk {including right-wingers like E. Hogue} failed to attract much more than a 1.0 steadily....{I used to see him smiling when recalling the Gray Davis Recall, bragging of his numbers going up - until that election ended, and .4s returned. Actually, that was kind of funny....for two months before the Davis recall vote, I kept asking, "What is the follow-up? 'Re-Building A New California'?"

Never got an answer on that one....and neither did his dwindling listener base.
 
"it didn't fail because nobody buys spots on progressive radio. that's wrong. there are plenty of businesses that are perfect for buying spots on progressive radio".....

I could not agree more...EXCEPT THE SPOTS WERE NOT BOUGHT, PERIOD. Poor or lacking salesmanship? I dunno...but it seems to have happened in virtually every market, with either network or local fare. Certainly, it LOOKS like there are many possible sponsor/supporters of "progressive talk"...but I hearken back to Paula Nelson's lament: "They didn't spend a dime..."



These last couple of comments got me to thinking. And I'm just wondering here.....

I spent a better part of 5 years working at a station that played Christian music...not a Christian radio station, a station that played Christian music....big difference......that's another story.

There were/are plenty of businesses perfect for advertising on Christian radio, but I do know that when presented with sales package that ran close to $10,000, some of the businesses said, "What? Wait...I'm a Christian owned business, you're a Christian radio station, how can you charge me that much?"

The attitude was that because we (station & client) were both part of the same "club" (christianity), and we were both going up against "evil mainstream radio",.....there should be some sort of discount, or "friendly" rate. Heck, some didn't think we should be charging at all.

I tend to think that "Lib" radio faced the same kind of thing. There were progressive businesses that would support progressive radio, but when presented with the REAL cost of doing so, they didn't. Those clients also said, "What? Wait...I'm a left-leaning, green, eco, progressive, liberal business, you're a progressive radio station....how can you charge me that much?"

Was the lib attitude the same as the Christian attitude..."We're both part of the same club, and we're both going up against "evil mainstream radio."?

I don't know.....just asking the question.
 
Dear Burned out...you'll notice that the ever youthful miss kitten never expresses a POINT OF VIEW.. She is supposed to be the unwitting ,purring, female foil to the male talent..the soft side of things..representing the well-dressed, heavily made up botoxed corporate image of women who will never say or think anything controversial. Kitten does it very well..I could NEVER do it..nor would I have any interest or "skill" in doing it.(read my book)

and Burned out..I don't know if you know this...but KGO and KSFO are owned by the SAME COMPANY.

When I left KFBK sixteen years ago..I was still in law school..hired by KGO then...finished law school..passed the bar.....took care of an elderly parent for fourteen years until his death at 92(two months ago)..took care of him directly...diapers,bedsore pads, extreme aggressive dementia in the end...always 6'5" and at least 250 lbs..former world class athlete and captain in the U.S. Navy. So I didn't have much of a career...some legal work, KSAC for three years,,,and always...always saying Yes to KGO when I could get someone to care for my dad for those hours.. Did it cramp my life....you bet...do I regret it" absolutely not. I am glad his suffering is over, however.

I'm now free to recover, and recover I am. good night..good luck
 
KFBK was a much better station back when Craft and Ward offered a different viewpoint to the morning shows, Limbaugh and others. The station simply had more energy, better dynamics.

At KFBK, politics killed Craft--ratings did not. Craft had the guts to question the Rodney King verdicts and management ran for cover.

I question the view that "Lib radio" doesn't work... Has it truly been tested? Air America is only a sliver of what could be offered and it fails because it's just bad presentation. Many conservative hosts fail as well--there are just more of them so overall the format succeeds.

On a more personal note, Christine, I wasn't aware that your father passed. I'm sorry. I was always impressed with your care; you were a great daughter......Time now to take care of yourself....
 
Starbucks said:
Most of you who try to lift the spirit of liberal radio....realistically in most cases in major cities, it's failing or failed miserably.
Apparently whether the station was both sides or one side, it was the left that always failed.

---Other points snipped for brevity---

I had a feeling that I knew why, so I did some googling. Turns out that AM radio's biggest demographic tends to be conservative in their voting habits. See this:

http://people-press.org/reports/tables/242.pdf
and
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=945

Any AM radio station that tries to broadcast a strictly liberal point of view has an uphill battle, because the liberal demographic is skewed younger and college-educated. When they listen to radio at all, these people listen mostly to FM. They also tend to get more of their news from the Internet. People with strong political opinions like to be stroked - they like the radio host to agree with them. I suspect you'll find that conservatives are less open to new ideas (although I have no proof) and as such you're less likely to find a conservative listening to a liberal host than vice-versa. All of these things play poorly for liberal talk radio, especially on AM. Now add in-depth, long-form news from PRI, NPR, or the BBC. That becomes further distracting for the liberal fraction of the audience, who generally like to hear a variety of opinions. Yes, I know that public radio doesn't show up in the books, but it draws listeners just the same.

KGO/KSFO is doing well in SF because they essentially cover all the bases. The conservatives can set their radios to KSFO to hear what they want, and they do it in reasonable numbers. Meanwhile, KGO proves that live, local talk which focuses on issues rather than any one political agenda can really succeed. My liberal friends call KGO "KGOP" while my conservative friends refer to it as "KGB". To me, that's a great compliment to a station that can successfully focus on issues rather than a political agenda. Plus, Citadel can tell their clients that they pretty much own talk radio in market #5. That's not a bad place to be.

The concept of "fairness" in broadcasting went away a long time ago. Stations serve the public, but only on a secondary basis. They really exist to serve the owners, and that's the way it has become. Also, as long as there are other sources of information besides traditional radio and TV (I.E. the Internet) does it really matter? Far more than talk shows, the real influence for voters is political advertising (HELLO!!!) and that's not going to be regulated any time soon.

Dave B.
 
I had a feeling that I knew why, so I did some googling. Turns out that AM radio's biggest demographic tends to be conservative in their voting habits. See this:

http://people-press.org/reports/tables/242.pdf
and
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=945

I glanced at the typology, but i have so much time, but at least I can respect someone who will try to reason with my post then ignore me like most liberals do. There so set and enslaved and enlightent in their thoughts that there such legends in their own mind above everyone else....there usually the first ones to get mugged. (well put it this way...at least they get a chance to experience what it's like to got through the trauma...if they make it.


Any AM radio station that tries to broadcast a strictly liberal point of view has an uphill battle, because the liberal demographic is skewed younger and college-educated. When they listen to radio at all, these people listen mostly to FM. They also tend to get more of their news from the Internet.

Are these the facts you researched from the typology? (because the liberal demographic is skewed younger and college-educated. When they listen to radio at all, these people listen mostly to FM)...Are all conservatives 35 and older plus they never went to college? Plus conservatives never listen to contemporary music on FM in their youth...just AM? So they stuck around listening to AM, still watching free over the air television on black and white analog TV sets, and I must be responding to your post with a Brother typewriter instead of a keyboard.
Hmmm! I'm wondering how I obtain or acquired my high tech equipment. Your right that alot of young people have been brainwashed by the gray haired pony tailed professors and female gym teachers on the college campuses today, which might not lead them to listen to conservative radio....just NPR by the college station band. But radio is free of choice to listen no matter what direction or frequency band is on. No one's stopping liberals from listening.
I get most of my news from the internet....you think I subscribe to the Bee? plus I'm over 35. sorry , I can't buy that analogy at all. And not everybody that's in college are liberals. Many students especially men, have to act liberal , so they can get laid or avoid flunking a class. (I'm not being funny...it's true).



People with strong political opinions like to be stroked - they like the radio host to agree with them. I suspect you'll find that conservatives are less open to new ideas (although I have no proof) and as such you're less likely to find a conservative listening to a liberal host than vice-versa. All of these things play poorly for liberal talk radio, especially on AM. Now add in-depth, long-form news from PRI, NPR, or the BBC. That becomes further distracting for the liberal fraction of the audience, who generally like to hear a variety of opinions. Yes, I know that public radio doesn't show up in the books, but it draws listeners just the same.

You have a point here......which is self defeating for the liberal radio agenda...if everyone agreed with each other... it would result in predictable boring radio. It would be like tuning in to the mutual admiration society. But for some strange reason ...they'll listen to conservative radio....because they feel not certain or insecure with themselves, which gives them a reason to call and argue with the talk show host which becomes exciting entertaining conservative radio.
Plus, conservatives don't waste their time listening to some guilt, radical, self hatred liberal station that spews toleration of our rights, borders, property and safety that's under threat everyday. THAT"S WHY LIBERAL TALK HAS LOW NUMBERS!!


KGO/KSFO is doing well in SF because they essentially cover all the bases. The conservatives can set their radios to KSFO to hear what they want, and they do it in reasonable numbers. Meanwhile, KGO proves that live, local talk which focuses on issues rather than any one political agenda can really succeed. My liberal friends call KGO "KGOP" while my conservative friends refer to it as "KGB". To me, that's a great compliment to a station that can successfully focus on issues rather than a political agenda. Plus, Citadel can tell their clients that they pretty much own talk radio in market #5. That's not a bad place to be.

I can relate to that.

The concept of "fairness" in broadcasting went away a long time ago. Stations serve the public, but only on a secondary basis. They really exist to serve the owners, and that's the way it has become. Also, as long as there are other sources of information besides traditional radio and TV (I.E. the Internet) does it really matter? Far more than talk shows, the real influence for voters is political advertising (HELLO!!!) and that's not going to be regulated any time soon.

If it went away a long time ago.....the left is trying to bring it back...since they got control on every other source.....again the liberal agenda is all about control and self suicide. They want it all.
Dave B.
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Regardless of political affiliation, it all comes down to this... good, compelling radio is worth a listen. If it's something with which I agree and supports or adds to my theories and knowledge then I'll listen. If it's something with which I disagree but makes me think about things from a different angle and question my own convictions then I'll listen.

To assume that people in certain demos with certain political affiliations do or don't have college degrees, do or don't have talent, etc... merely displays a lack of intelligence and a propensity to stereotype those with whom one does not agree. Give me a liberal point of view presented in an intriguing and thought provoking way and I'll (un)happily listen. Present me with a conservative agenda that opens my mind and feeds my thirst for knowledge and I'll (un)happily listen.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the truth has been posted within this thread time and time again. Liberal leaning talk shows in this market have either been lackluster, talentless or hosted by such self-absorbed hate mongers that it is absolutely unlistenable. If you need further proof, just read some of the needlessly aggressive, insulting and shamelessly self-promoting posts made by those who align themselves with liberal talk talent. Really... to insult Ms. Oneil is not only tacky but it's behavior similar to that of a school yard bully who doesn't hold any weight unless he/she picks on innocents. It's disrespectful, shows a lack of class and diminishes any possible valid points of view the "attacker" might be attempting to convey.

I welcome passionate discussions from all angles. However, I don't welcome those who only throw blame at others while offering no solutions or constructive ideas for the issues at hand... no matter what side of the political fence they stand.

Okay... I stand at the ready. Bring on the abuse. I'm sure I know who'll be one of the first to throw a punch. ;)
 
radiovictim said:
I welcome passionate discussions from all angles. However, I don't welcome those who only throw blame at others while offering no solutions or constructive ideas for the issues at hand... no matter what side of the political fence they stand....

Could not have said it better, RV...
Where are the solutions to the issues brought up by one side?...

Like Pat Paulsen (whom I'm voting for in November, even if he's been dead
for 11 years) said in 1968, "I'm not Left-wing or Right-wing.
I'm middle-of-the-bird. (I don't believe in) flying in concentric circles."
;D
--jay
 
When I worked during the early Ken Kohl years on the am side at then Chancellor Broadcasting, now Incredibly Cheap Channel, his direction for the talk talent at the time was to polarize the audience at all costs. The term he used then was "tabloid radio" ie. picking a topic, and then argue for the most argumentative side. One of the hosts at the time was a total left wing, pot smokin' hippy, but he'd get on and go with the complete opposite of the side he truly believed in. Just a little insight on what and who's driving the bus. Maybe a reason that liberal talk radio just doesn't seem to work. Maybe it's just not angry and divisive enough to be compelling for folks to tune in to, raise the ratings, and get sponsors.
 
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