KFWhyEye number one-est, regarless of language. KT'R (last Toaster Talk book) number six-est. What Nurse Jeff and I find amazing is the pobre showing of all spanish language stations. #3 was the best any of them could do and the next runner up came in at #15. Que paso??? The Biggest Waste of a Year award goes to Movin' 97 with their one share. We bet Trumper is headed to the Star 97 lounge right now! ;D
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Summer 07 Que Paso?
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bring back star 97 !
And the award for the biggest waste of a good AM signal
during non play-by-play hours goes to...
TMISU for Sports Parking Lot 620!
C'mon, a 2.1? While I would also like to know what KT'R(AM)
did in 25-54, they've got to have had miniscule numbers other
than when the D-backs and other PBP were on.
Hey Russ, how about this for a novel idea--keep your primary
PBP outlet on Sports Parking Lot 620 (we won't discuss here
your use of KT'R-FM for spill, et al), but dump everything else
off of the AM and simulcast Snooze/Talk 92/3 on 620 during
all other hours. You're doing it in Salt Lake last time I checked,
and you either are or were doing multiple freqs in D.C.
during non play-by-play hours goes to...
TMISU for Sports Parking Lot 620!
C'mon, a 2.1? While I would also like to know what KT'R(AM)
did in 25-54, they've got to have had miniscule numbers other
than when the D-backs and other PBP were on.
Hey Russ, how about this for a novel idea--keep your primary
PBP outlet on Sports Parking Lot 620 (we won't discuss here
your use of KT'R-FM for spill, et al), but dump everything else
off of the AM and simulcast Snooze/Talk 92/3 on 620 during
all other hours. You're doing it in Salt Lake last time I checked,
and you either are or were doing multiple freqs in D.C.
92.3 is a money pit for Bonneville.
Not paying off with "Aunt Carlos" and the God awful Big Mac "with cheese" Watson.
I can see a "for sale" sign in the distance if the next two books don't get better.
Not paying off with "Aunt Carlos" and the God awful Big Mac "with cheese" Watson.
I can see a "for sale" sign in the distance if the next two books don't get better.
Unlike Sunny 96~Nine, TMISU won't cut and run from KT'R. Nurse Jeff and I figure they're into it to the tune of $150+m by now. The Master Blogger will be packin' his keyboard if 92~Three flops in the Fall. Needless to say the move from AM to FM for KT'R hasn't gone according to plan. But TMISU take some of the blame for hanging on to Toaster Talk and it's geriatric hosts as long as they did. To run promos knocking an AM station that's kicking KT'R's butt just doesn't sound better either!
MASTER_CONTROL said:
There's no way Trumper is going to bring back the "Star" format on 97.5. Despite both formats (Star and Movin') having had similar ratings, I suspect Movin' does better in the demos advertisers crave than Star ever did.
The "new standards"/swing hybrid which was Star 97.5 would maybe attract a few people to buy HD radios if it was a subchannel of one of the stations, unlike such formats they're trying right now including 99.9-2's female rock channel. It's not like Clear Channel is going to hurt KOY by placing it on a technology that's still well in its infancy.
I want to know how long we'll see stations such as 97.5 and 95.1 operate as stand-alone stations. I can't see the investors backing Trumper and Cutchall moving forward with under-performing properties while most of the format holes are filled in this market. Could they be able to make AAA work on one of these stations?
Bug on the rug said:
They don't have the D-backs or Suns to bring in big numbers like they did in the past and their lineup is finally set, give it time. If you really look at the numbers 92.3 has had a steady increase.
Dr. Akbar said:
The man crush continues... To move from AM to FM takes more than 1 year, so I assume their plan is going accordingly.
SDmbbrdm said:
SDmbbrdm, what is the plan for KtAr?? Is it more news/traffic/weather--without the static?? Or is it more talk shows that sound like KfWhyEye??
Btw, I loved hearing about Mac's girlfriend in Virginia yesterday. Stimulating talk radio for Phoenix! I can see why someone would want to take his show and syndicate it for the masses. ;D
The man crush continues... To move from AM to FM takes more than 1 year, so I assume their plan is going accordingly.
Spoken like a true Master Blogger believer. KT'R moved to FM a year ago September and went solo the first of this year. Ample time to develop an audience and create problems for KFWhyEye. One slight problem.. the programming sucked and TMISU thought listeners would dig them just because they were on FM. There is a reason an ancient technology AM station is kickin' KT'Rs butt, even if the signal fades in underpasses and goes to static in an office building!
Spoken like a true Master Blogger believer. KT'R moved to FM a year ago September and went solo the first of this year. Ample time to develop an audience and create problems for KFWhyEye. One slight problem.. the programming sucked and TMISU thought listeners would dig them just because they were on FM. There is a reason an ancient technology AM station is kickin' KT'Rs butt, even if the signal fades in underpasses and goes to static in an office building!
KTAR isn't packing them in, plain and simple.
They did well by jettisoning McBland and Simonds, but, other than Mac and Hendrie, its not a good listen these days.
FM is more of a pain than anything else, switching over in the car from AM gets old.
They did well by jettisoning McBland and Simonds, but, other than Mac and Hendrie, its not a good listen these days.
FM is more of a pain than anything else, switching over in the car from AM gets old.
KTAR FM will always have an excuse for under performing because they continue to make tweaks to the schedule, imaging, positioners--and just about everything else. When you have an inconsistent product, you have inconsistent results. I applaud some of the moves KTAR-FM has made, and continue to question others. They have a lot of work to do if they're interested in dethroning KFYI. As I see it, the 'fanboys' of KTAR that inhabit this board are perfectly able to make their case by saying "hey, they just brought in Mac, Glenn Beck and Phil Hendrie, so give it time", which is accurate, of course they fail to note that these changes prevent real growth and only confuse the audience.
What makes KTAR-FM's challenges even more dubious is that they have promised one thing but deliver another. For my money, KTAR-FM is improving, but I will say that the commitment to news oriented programming and less 'political' type programming has completely gone by the wayside. Again, I like the direction, but it's not really my opinion that counts--it is the opinion of the audience... and thus far, it's a fairly luke warm response in the arbitrons.
Incidentally, and I feel that this may warrant it's own post, I should note that Jay (jayaz) has gone oddly silent since our last conversation. I told you that KFYI's down trend was an anomaly and they would return to their pattern of success, but the KFYI haters came out in full force just a couple months ago... but where are you now? All those people that talked about how JD Hayworth was a failure before he even got on the air seem to have egg on their face--again, his show really isn't my cup of tea, but I quietly root for the guy since he was buried by everyone on the board. I see Jacobs and Barry Young are 2nd M25-54 with an astonishingly high number... again, predicted by me and it seems that all the detractors are silenced again. When KFYI has another bad trend in a few years they'll be back but will disappear shortly thereafter. I love it.
What makes KTAR-FM's challenges even more dubious is that they have promised one thing but deliver another. For my money, KTAR-FM is improving, but I will say that the commitment to news oriented programming and less 'political' type programming has completely gone by the wayside. Again, I like the direction, but it's not really my opinion that counts--it is the opinion of the audience... and thus far, it's a fairly luke warm response in the arbitrons.
Incidentally, and I feel that this may warrant it's own post, I should note that Jay (jayaz) has gone oddly silent since our last conversation. I told you that KFYI's down trend was an anomaly and they would return to their pattern of success, but the KFYI haters came out in full force just a couple months ago... but where are you now? All those people that talked about how JD Hayworth was a failure before he even got on the air seem to have egg on their face--again, his show really isn't my cup of tea, but I quietly root for the guy since he was buried by everyone on the board. I see Jacobs and Barry Young are 2nd M25-54 with an astonishingly high number... again, predicted by me and it seems that all the detractors are silenced again. When KFYI has another bad trend in a few years they'll be back but will disappear shortly thereafter. I love it.
I have high hopes for 1100's new "Colon Power Hour" they are running at 11 am.
I think that they will really make an impact on the ratings.
I think that they will really make an impact on the ratings.
Legend City said:
Hmmm...Francis X. Bushman copying Mike Barna's programming
moves at the Giant 580 ("Colon Blow Saturdays").
Legend City said:
Thank you! I thought I was the only one who felt that way! The whole reason I got onto AM was that there was so much talk on FM from the commercials and idiotic morning drive chatter between songs that all talk on AM seemed more appealing. I discovered a whole other staticky culture and I like it better than pretentious FM.
KMGX et al
I hate myself when I take the bait like some poor trout attacking a shining lure. This will be just a reminder
of what ARB's parts indicate.
First, Quarter hour shares are determined by the length of time a listener remains with the station it does not tell you how many people listen to the station. I am certain that the audience for radio-info understands that. It means that people probably listen to Rush and Shawn and Savage for many of the hours they're on the air and the listener writes that down. It make for a high quarter hour share and that share that is the usually the published number. That's what many of you think tells the story of a stations popularity. It does not. You should note that KTAR is now sixth in that number, one tenth of a percentage point out of fifth. That's pretty amazing when you stop to consider the radio station did not have the Diamondbacks, a major summer quarter hour grabber, and has made other changes including A
N E W P L A C E O N A N E W R A D I O D I A L. The length of time listeners spend with a station or program does not have anything to do with the actual nuimber of listeners a radio station entertains. (But you all probably knew that)
Now then, Cume numbers, again, as most of you know, tell you the number of listeners enjoying a radio station at various times of the day and are, to advertisres, a stronger indication of the strength of a station. KTAR's cume continues an incerdible increase. Eventually that will translate into a strong quarter hour (it already has) as the programs become more of a habit.
KMGX, everything I've said is coming to fruition. I'm really not backing off, I just become too frustrated with the "PUT DOWNS" of people with whom I work and for whom I have great respect as entertainers and talk show hosts. I'd be spending all my time defending people who need no defense and so I will limit
my time to a few responses when I am specifically challenged.
I also find it humorous (rather than angering) that you all remain anonymous while everyone knows my identity.
Keep listening
Jay
I hate myself when I take the bait like some poor trout attacking a shining lure. This will be just a reminder
of what ARB's parts indicate.
First, Quarter hour shares are determined by the length of time a listener remains with the station it does not tell you how many people listen to the station. I am certain that the audience for radio-info understands that. It means that people probably listen to Rush and Shawn and Savage for many of the hours they're on the air and the listener writes that down. It make for a high quarter hour share and that share that is the usually the published number. That's what many of you think tells the story of a stations popularity. It does not. You should note that KTAR is now sixth in that number, one tenth of a percentage point out of fifth. That's pretty amazing when you stop to consider the radio station did not have the Diamondbacks, a major summer quarter hour grabber, and has made other changes including A
N E W P L A C E O N A N E W R A D I O D I A L. The length of time listeners spend with a station or program does not have anything to do with the actual nuimber of listeners a radio station entertains. (But you all probably knew that)
Now then, Cume numbers, again, as most of you know, tell you the number of listeners enjoying a radio station at various times of the day and are, to advertisres, a stronger indication of the strength of a station. KTAR's cume continues an incerdible increase. Eventually that will translate into a strong quarter hour (it already has) as the programs become more of a habit.
KMGX, everything I've said is coming to fruition. I'm really not backing off, I just become too frustrated with the "PUT DOWNS" of people with whom I work and for whom I have great respect as entertainers and talk show hosts. I'd be spending all my time defending people who need no defense and so I will limit
my time to a few responses when I am specifically challenged.
I also find it humorous (rather than angering) that you all remain anonymous while everyone knows my identity.
Keep listening
Jay
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MASTER_CONTROL
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how about this for a novel idea - -
bonneville buys another fm signal in phoenix for kmvp, fm sports talk; using 620 for network & spill.
Jay, I understand you had some of the New Times folk on Sunday, I'm bummed that I missed it, kudos to you to get the other side of this story instead of the usual garbage from the usual suspects.
Legend City
Thanks for the comments
I had Rick Romley on Sunday. He was particulary critical of the present county attorney. BY the way, I don't believe the New Times ever should have published the Sheriff's address on line no matter what they felt about it being public. There are those who reallyt do threaten him and his family.
It was everything that happened after that with which the former county attorney took excception.
Thanks again
Jay
Thanks for the comments
I had Rick Romley on Sunday. He was particulary critical of the present county attorney. BY the way, I don't believe the New Times ever should have published the Sheriff's address on line no matter what they felt about it being public. There are those who reallyt do threaten him and his family.
It was everything that happened after that with which the former county attorney took excception.
Thanks again
Jay
oldiesfan6479 said:
2.1 (12+, of course) for a sports station in a market not too hot about sports is pretty good. Granted, 620 is really the only "A" grade AM in the market, but other than KFYI, what else is there that people want to hear?
It's interesting that you mention the wasted AM signal, then suggest they simulcast and AM and an FM. Isn't that a waste? At least there's original content eminating from each. Yes, they're simulcasting in SLC, which is their flagship and a huge brand there, and in Washington, because 1500's high-band, directional 50kW misses much of fast-growing northern Virginia. 107.7 in Manassas doesn't city-grade any substantial part of the lived-in metro and barely puts a usable signal into Arlington (WJFK, also in Manassas, has a better signal but still suffers by missing parts of Maryland). 92.3 and 620 both put an excellent city-grade signal over the entire market, as well as Pinal County. Perhaps when Salome is the new Surprise, Bonneville will need to buy that CP for 101-something to reach there. Until then, no need.
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