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Summer Phase 1 trends

Re: Jack

> > Not about being right or wrong but about having such a
> > negative perspective on something it's obvious you are
> quite
> > biased against.
>
> What is it with people who are afraid to go out on a limb
> and make a call? You can't all be castrated mind numbed
> clucks. You can't all have been so screwed in the head by
> the corporate mentality that you can't even determine what's
> right for a market and what's wrong? It's about being right.
> Being right means you know your (BLEEP), being right used to
> mean you get promoted for a job well done however in today's
> environment I've seen more people get promoted for wrecking
> things. Being wrong means you cost people their jobs - WAKE
> UP! Being wrong, not being sure of something means you lose.
> Fortunately, when Jack flops, the only people who will lose
> their jobs will be the voice-over guy and a few others.
>
>
> > I don't know if Jack will sink or swim, any more than any
> > other format, and despite the fact (you can ask around) I
> > tend to be pretty sure of myself as well,
> > to just write-off such a new format so early is really
> > pretty arrogant.
>
> That sounds so nice and PC. So "balanced", So scary! It will
> sink. I'm well aware of what will and won't. It's not
> arrogant to write it off, it's knowing what works and what
> doesn't.
>
>
> It's not just a like/dislike of Jack but
> > your overall glass-is-half-empty tone everytime you
> address
> > the Jack format.
>
> You make me laugh. My glass is not half empty when it comes
> to Jack, it's BROKE, there's nothing in it because there's
> no glass. I didn't know this was a place to come and post
> only good, happy, warm and loving feelings for this travesty
> known as Jack. My glass is FULL when it comes to good ideas,
> Jack isn't one of them. Sorry. I've never been known to be
> hyped up on bad ideas. So I'm negative on your "baby". Get
> over it, it's stupid. It's a waste of airspace. It's not
> about what I like, it's about what works in RADIO pal,
> remember? Jack ain't gonna work. This is a business. Bad
> business moves cost people jobs and companies money. There's
> too many people like you who are sure of one thing, you
> don't know what works and what doesn't so you hire some guru
> who lacked vision 15 years ago as a PD, now he's a
> consultant and the same guy who never saw the future coming
> is telling most radio stations what to play and how. It's
> pathetic. If you can't figure out what a winner will be in
> your market without hesitation then you need to get the hell
> out of radio. I can't believe how people are so unsure of
> themselves. It's really disheartening.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > > Not perfect but far smarter than most. I understand
> people
> >
> > > dislike those who are sure of themselves, it's
> > > understandable. I'm only sure of a few things and don't
> > > stretch my limits. I never feel better when I'm right
> > about
> > > stupid format flips because people's jobs, lives and
> > > families get thrown up for grabs. Jack will be Jack'd
> Off
> > in
> > > less than two years and it will be laughed at in five.
> You
> >
> > > may not want to agree with me or you just may hope I'm
> > wrong
> > > but I'm not.
> >
>

Musiclover, you are allowed to have an opinion, but there is a difference between saying "jack will fail" and "I think jack will fail". You are just assuming it will fail, when you or I have no idea. <P ID="signature">______________
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NY trends

Musiclover78 was right- it IS just your opinion.

If you're so smart and with-it, why aren't YOU making something unique and special happen in our business today?


> Wrong, this is a fact. An opinion is when someone without
> all the facts voices a thought on a particular subject in
> hopes of getting others to see it their way. I'm not trying
> to get you to see anything my way, I'm simply telling you
> that anyone who claims to know what they're doing in radio
> could not possibly subscribe to such a complete and utterly
> stupid concept as Jack, not in this day and age. To do so
> says you're completely out of touch with things and part of
> the reason listeners find radio less and less important.
> It's not opinion, it's fact. I'm just pointing the facts out
> before you can see them.
>
> > > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
 
Jack

you're a critical cynic and everybody else in this thread recognizes it-
an now you're trying to backtrack. We get it.
 
Jack

Has nothing to do with going out on a limb-- nobody would care what I "predict" about any station's potential success. And, my prediction won't influence their programming nor their listening. Showing "being right meaning I know my(bleep)" isn't what drives me.

Determining what may or may not be right for a certain market ONLY matters to those programming and marketing a specific radio station.
>
> What is it with people who are afraid to go out on a limb
> and make a call? You can't all be castrated mind numbed
> clucks. You can't all have been so screwed in the head by
> the corporate mentality that you can't even determine what's
> right for a market and what's wrong? It's about being right.
> Being right means you know your (BLEEP), being right used to
> mean you get promoted for a job well done however in today's
> environment I've seen more people get promoted for wrecking
> things. Being wrong means you cost people their jobs - WAKE
> UP! Being wrong, not being sure of something means you lose.
> Fortunately, when Jack flops, the only people who will lose
> their jobs will be the voice-over guy and a few others.
>
>
> > I don't know if Jack will sink or swim, any more than any
> > other format, and despite the fact (you can ask around) I
> > tend to be pretty sure of myself as well,
> > to just write-off such a new format so early is really
> > pretty arrogant.
>
> That sounds so nice and PC. So "balanced", So scary! It will
> sink. I'm well aware of what will and won't. It's not
> arrogant to write it off, it's knowing what works and what
> doesn't.
>
>
> It's not just a like/dislike of Jack but
> > your overall glass-is-half-empty tone everytime you
> address
> > the Jack format.
>
> You make me laugh. My glass is not half empty when it comes
> to Jack, it's BROKE, there's nothing in it because there's
> no glass. I didn't know this was a place to come and post
> only good, happy, warm and loving feelings for this travesty
> known as Jack. My glass is FULL when it comes to good ideas,
> Jack isn't one of them. Sorry. I've never been known to be
> hyped up on bad ideas. So I'm negative on your "baby". Get
> over it, it's stupid. It's a waste of airspace. It's not
> about what I like, it's about what works in RADIO pal,
> remember? Jack ain't gonna work. This is a business. Bad
> business moves cost people jobs and companies money. There's
> too many people like you who are sure of one thing, you
> don't know what works and what doesn't so you hire some guru
> who lacked vision 15 years ago as a PD, now he's a
> consultant and the same guy who never saw the future coming
> is telling most radio stations what to play and how. It's
> pathetic. If you can't figure out what a winner will be in
> your market without hesitation then you need to get the hell
> out of radio. I can't believe how people are so unsure of
> themselves. It's really disheartening.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > > Not perfect but far smarter than most. I understand
> people
> >
> > > dislike those who are sure of themselves, it's
> > > understandable. I'm only sure of a few things and don't
> > > stretch my limits. I never feel better when I'm right
> > about
> > > stupid format flips because people's jobs, lives and
> > > families get thrown up for grabs. Jack will be Jack'd
> Off
> > in
> > > less than two years and it will be laughed at in five.
> You
> >
> > > may not want to agree with me or you just may hope I'm
> > wrong
> > > but I'm not.
> >
>
 
future of radio?

That is one ridiculous statement. If you're in radio, you're supposed to be able to predict the future? Total nonsense.

We all make honest attempts to be prepared, do our homework and have as much credible information as possible to make the best decisions, but in the end, it's up to the listeners to cast their votes and there is NO sure-fire, 100% formula in radio (never has been and never will be).

> If you don't know what the future will bring and you're IN
> radio, you have no business being IN it. You flip because
> you KNOW that's the right move. Obviously that's all changed
> now? Sorry. If you flip a station and it takes you years to
> bill half of what you were billing before you flipped, you
> made the wrong move and you're SUPPOSED to know what you're
> doing. They PROFESSIONALS, or so they're supposed to be.
> This is another example of how many of those running radio
> shouldn't be running a pumpkin patch
>
 
NY trends

We forgot- you've seen it all and know it all. How COULD we???

> Nothing like excuses to cover for ineptness. In all my years
> in radio I've never seen such poor excuses to justify bad moves.
 
NY trends

But HIS opinion is right and ours are wrong- what did you miss??? <LOL>

>
> Again, this is YOUR opinion.

> > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
 
Re: NY trends

> We forgot- you've seen it all and know it all. How COULD
> we???

With all due respect, Mr. Oldies cat, sir, If it were up to me, WCBS FM would have most likely been left alone...but I, respectfully, say this with poor knowledge of how much more Infinity would fail/not fail if another frequency was chosen in NY.

Let's just...wait a year and see...(you're welcome for the echo...lol) <P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Re: Jack

> Musiclover, you are allowed to have an opinion, but there is
> a difference between saying "jack will fail" and "I think
> jack will fail". You are just assuming it will fail, when
> you or I have no idea.
>
Here's my opinion:

I believe Jack will fail because it fails to draw attention to itself.
Too much effort is put into the idea that you are listening to Jack's ipod, and if you have a request...get your own ipod.

The music needs personality to go with it.
If you must run a station that doesn't take requests, I strongly advise that personalities be restored immediately, anyway. Ones that can better cover the three E's in ways an ipod can not.

<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
WCBS-FM

Listen- I don't disagree in regard to CBS-FM. I have NEVER said they should have changed format. I am not sure, however, they should have been "left alone".

While a fine station with a spectacular heritage, IMHO WCBS-FM had gotten somewhat "old-sounding". Not the music so much but the presentation. God love Harry Harrison and company but they really were viewed by many as circa-early 60s- it's where most of their legend began. Now, to a 55+ listener these great jocks were revered. But to a 40-50 year old (where Oldies stations are now forced to get listeners in order to compete 25-54, whether we agree with the whole sales premise or not) these jocks are nearing 70 yrs old and sounded like it. I'd certainly have stayed oldies on WCBS-FM but I'd also have been much more pro-active in keeping their "sound" fresh & updated. They did not.

In closing, I'll repeat that much of the venom directed at the JACK stations is more about replacing stations like CBS-FM and oldies stations in Baltimore, Indy, Chicago (not so much because they never really did that great), etc.
Had JACK replaced 23rd ranked stations over the past 6 months or so, I believe the hatred toward the concept would be a lot less.
>
> With all due respect, Mr. Oldies cat, sir, If it were up to
> me, WCBS FM would have most likely been left alone...but I,
> respectfully, say this with poor knowledge of how much more
> Infinity would fail/not fail if another frequency was chosen
> in NY.
>
> Let's just...wait a year and see...(you're welcome for the echo...lol)
>
 
Jack

Here we go again: REQUESTS.

No radio station in the history of the business was a success or failure because they did or didn't "take requests". Most stations that solicit requests don't really play them, anyway (especially with CHRs and other stations that play currents--people call in for songs and they just happen to come up).

Your obsession on this single and fairly insignificant point is disturbing.
It's the world to you but you are alone on an island on this one.

> >
> Here's my opinion:
>
> I believe Jack will fail because it fails to draw attention
> to itself.
> Too much effort is put into the idea that you are listening
> to Jack's ipod, and if you have a request...get your own
> ipod.
>
> The music needs personality to go with it.
> If you must run a station that doesn't take requests, I
> strongly advise that personalities be restored immediately,
> anyway. Ones that can better cover the three E's in ways an
> ipod can not.
>
 
Fact and Opinion

It's called "denial" and when someone is in denial they're impossible to reason with (as we've seen time and time again).


> The words "such a complete and utterly stupid concept as
> Jack" is an opinion. OPINION!!!!!! This is your opinion man!
> Not facts! Facts are proven, Jack hasn't been around long,
> so we can't judge the format yet. For someone who was in the
> biz, I thought you would know this, but I guess you don't.
>

> > > > this is a terrible format, it's just brutal.
 
Re: Jack

> Here we go again: REQUESTS.
> Your obsession on this single and fairly insignificant point
> is disturbing.

Oldies cat starts to read postings, and doesn't finish.


>> > The music needs personality to go with it.
> > If you must run a station that doesn't take requests, I
> > strongly advise that personalities be restored
> immediately,
> > anyway. Ones that can better cover the three E's in ways
> an
> > ipod can not.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Re: Jack

> > Musiclover, you are allowed to have an opinion, but there
> is
> > a difference between saying "jack will fail" and "I think
> > jack will fail". You are just assuming it will fail, when
> > you or I have no idea.
> >
> Here's my opinion:
>
> I believe Jack will fail because it fails to draw attention
> to itself.
> Too much effort is put into the idea that you are listening
> to Jack's ipod, and if you have a request...get your own
> ipod.
>
> The music needs personality to go with it.
> If you must run a station that doesn't take requests, I
> strongly advise that personalities be restored immediately,
> anyway. Ones that can better cover the three E's in ways an
> ipod can not.
>

Requests don't play a roll in a station's success. In fact, most "regular listeners" I know never make requests. As long as they like the music on the station, they're happy. YOU may think VH needs personalities to go with it, but it is proven that listeners are happy with the way Jack is!

<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Jack

> > Here we go again: REQUESTS.
> > Your obsession on this single and fairly insignificant
> point
> > is disturbing.
>
> Oldies cat starts to read postings, and doesn't finish.

I'm sure OldiesCat read your whole post, just didn't respond to the other half. "Personalities".
>
>
> >> > The music needs personality to go with it.
> > > If you must run a station that doesn't take requests, I
> > > strongly advise that personalities be restored
> > immediately,
> > > anyway. Ones that can better cover the three E's in ways
>
> > an
> > > ipod can not.
> > >
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
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