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Inside Jam has been cancelled from its week day timeslot, moving to a one hour week end broadcast only.

Sun Tv (Toronto, aka Toronto 1) cuts 13 more jobs from their already Skeleton staff...

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> Inside Jam has been cancelled from its week day timeslot,
> moving to a one hour week end broadcast only.
>
> Sun Tv (Toronto, aka Toronto 1) cuts 13 more jobs from their
> already Skeleton staff...
>
> Link:
> http://thestar.blogs.com/azerb/2006/03/more_blood_on_t.html
>
That station must be cursed since the day they turned the transmitter on.

Better off making it a CFTM repeater until they find another sucker to run it.
 
There was a time when Toronto could have supported the number of television stations that exist right now. But, with so many long-established broadcasters, and increasingly high cable/satellite penetration, Channel 52 cannot possibly compete.

Perhaps the station could move to St. Catharines, and fill the Niagara Region void that TVN was supposed to fill. Quebecor could probably be more successful there. They would operate on Channel 22 in St. Catharines, and continue rebroadcasting on Channel 45 in Hamilton. As for Channel 52, that allocation won't even exist once the full transition to DTV is done.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Better off making it a CFTM repeater until they find another
> sucker to run it.
>
I was expecting the Toronto Star to do a hostile takeover of the station by now, but sources I've spoken with say that any desire to run a tv station is on hold for now.
Too bad too. I thought they'd find the station handy for many uses...wait...isn't that what I said about the current owners?...ok...never mind...<P ID="signature">______________
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The experiences of CKXT-52, both under Craig and now Sun/Quebecor, lead me to think that Toronto probably has one English-language TV station too many.

Ideally, I'd like to see TV Niagara buy the station and the CRTC to re-allocate the channel to St. Catharines or Niagara Falls, likely with a change in channel location.

But if the station's Channel 52 analog allocation remains in Toronto, here's an idea: Toronto has a large Asian-Canadian population; perhaps it is time for CKXT to change from English-language programming to programming in Mandarin Chinese.

Whether it's owned by Sun/Quebecor or someone else, I suspect CKXT would actually be profitable as a 24/7 Asian-languages station.
 
> Whether it's owned by Sun/Quebecor or someone else, I
> suspect CKXT would actually be profitable as a 24/7
> Asian-languages station.
>
I'm aware of Asian programming on both the new Omni 2, and on City tv on a Saturday or Sunday morning. Also, Omni 1 has Asian programming, plus thre is already a 24/7 channel on digital cable that would fight the change to the very end...or buy the channel...?
 
> The experiences of CKXT-52, both under Craig and now
> Sun/Quebecor, lead me to think that Toronto probably has one
> English-language TV station too many.
>
> Ideally, I'd like to see TV Niagara buy the station and the
> CRTC to re-allocate the channel to St. Catharines or Niagara
> Falls, likely with a change in channel location.
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They also have Channel 45 in Hamilton. Perhaps they could move 45 to the Grimsby/Beamsville area (I don't know if there are any 45's a short distance to the east), move the license to St. Catharines, and run a TVA-owned TV Niagara. It would use the same CKXT call letters and have some of the same classic programming that CKXT has right now as Sun TV.

As for Channel 52, that allocation could be moved to Barrie to permit another station there. There is a serious need right NOW for a new station to fill the void left by CKVR, which has essentially abandoned Barrie (despite what their general manager has told me) and become an Aurora-Newmarket-Woodbridge station. Their website even proudly proclaimed that they sold their proposed downtown Barrie studio (the former CNR station) back to the City of Barrie, because they won't be using it.<P ID="signature">______________
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> There is a serious need
> right NOW for a new station to fill the void left by CKVR,
> which has essentially abandoned Barrie (despite what their
> general manager has told me) and become an
> Aurora-Newmarket-Woodbridge station.

God forbid anyone ever change their business model in order to meet the demands of growing areas and to make a profit.

We wouldn't want that to happen.

You can only cover so many bake sales and highway accidents. Not every community needs a TV station.
 
> God forbid anyone ever change their business model in order
> to meet the demands of growing areas and to make a profit.
> We wouldn't want that to happen.
> You can only cover so many bake sales and highway accidents.
> Not every community needs a TV station.

BINGO! That's EXACTLY why it's Sun TV now, and not Toronto one anymore.
BTW FYI Sun TV is available on Starchoice in Ottawa...not sure about cable though.

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> > There is a serious need
> > right NOW for a new station to fill the void left by CKVR,
>
> > which has essentially abandoned Barrie (despite what their
>
> > general manager has told me) and become an
> > Aurora-Newmarket-Woodbridge station.
>
> God forbid anyone ever change their business model in order
> to meet the demands of growing areas and to make a profit.
>
> We wouldn't want that to happen.
>
> You can only cover so many bake sales and highway accidents.
> Not every community needs a TV station.
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Barrie, Ontario is the fastest growing city in Canada, and its population is now above 100,000. We're not talking about Wingham and CKNX-TV. Yes, Aurora and area are growing, and CKVR should cover that area, as it is within their coverage area. But that area can also be covered by the Toronto stations, which there is no shortage of. CKVR needs to keep their focus on Barrie and all the communities in the northern half of their coverage area, in addition to York Region. When I watched A-Channel news one night last December, their coverage of Barrie was limited to a shot of a mall parking lot there, and the mention of a player from the Barrie Colts hockey team. The weather report treated Barrie like an afterthought. The rest of the newscast was all in York Region, and even in Toronto, duplicating content covered by co-owned CITY-TV.



It's not just about the bottom line. The responsibility of broadcasting undertakings first and foremost is to serve the public. A city the size of Barrie not to have a television station is just unacceptable. It would never happen in the United States because there are few barriers to entering the market. Here we have the CRTC, promoting corrupt anti-viewer corporate interests. If I tried to start a new TV station in Barrie, and I had the capital and appropriate business model, and overwhelming local support from citizens, business, and politicians, I would still be stymied by your buddies at Global, CTV, Rogers, and CHUM that don't want to deal with competition.

I will forever use Woodstock, Ontario as an example of a success story of bringing back local coverage left by the void of a money-hungry corporation. As some here know, CKDK-FM was the local station in Woodstock for many years, originally as CKOX on the AM dial. In 1998, it joined the Energy Radio network, and moved virtually all of its operations to London, and pretended to be a London radio station. Later on, as The Hawk, it became forced to return to Woodstock. Standard Radio complained to the CRTC about CKDK, owned by Corus by this point, and the CRTC effectively forced Corus to increase its Woodstock content on CKDK. Furthermore, the CRTC approved an application by Byrnes Communications to start another radio station there. The new station, with call letters CIHR-FM, is testing on-air at the moment. Following the approval of CIHR, Corus announced that it is moving CKDK back to Woodstock.

I dream of the day when Barrie-Orillia-Midland-Collingwood-Muskoka is served by three television stations - Global on Channel 7, CKVR on Channel 3, and a CTV affiliate on Channel 21.<P ID="signature">______________
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(EDITED BY MODERATOR)<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Calgaryperson on 04/03/06 04:27 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> BTW FYI Sun TV is available on Starchoice in Ottawa...not
> sure about cable though.
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The weird thing is that Rogers carries that station in New Brunswick, yet they don't carry the OMNI stations there.

> There WOULD be room for a new TV station in Niagara, but
> channel 11 is looking after that already.
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I thought Calgary was the fastest growing city in Canada...?

> Do you know ANYTHING about Barrie, Ontario? It is the
> fastest growing city in Canada...
 
> > There WOULD be room for a new TV station in Niagara, but
> > channel 11 is looking after that already.
> ---------
> Um, yeah.
>
Awww, come on! SAY MORE! Stick up for the idea that CH deserves a little competition, and that a certain other station that couldn't get a licence, deserve to have one...<P ID="signature">______________
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> Awww, come on! SAY MORE! Stick up for the idea that CH
> deserves a little competition, and that a certain other
> station that couldn't get a licence, deserve to have one...
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> I thought Calgary was the fastest growing city in Canada...?
>
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From Statistics Canada 2001 census:

Barrie - 25.1% growth from 1996-2001, 119,000 to 148,000
Calgary - 15.8% growth from 1996-2001, 822,000 to 951,000

Barrie itself can easily support two stations.

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That's 2001... let's see some 2005 or 2004 numbers...

> > I thought Calgary was the fastest growing city in
> Canada...?
> >
> ---------
> From Statistics Canada 2001 census:
>
> Barrie - 25.1% growth from 1996-2001, 119,000 to 148,000
> Calgary - 15.8% growth from 1996-2001, 822,000 to 951,000
>
> Barrie itself can easily support two stations.
>
 
Re: Canadian Census figures

> That's 2001... let's see some 2005 or 2004 numbers...
>
> > > I thought Calgary was the fastest growing city in
> > Canada...?
> > >
> > ---------
> > From Statistics Canada 2001 census:
> >
> > Barrie - 25.1% growth from 1996-2001, 119,000 to 148,000
> > Calgary - 15.8% growth from 1996-2001, 822,000 to 951,000
> >
> > Barrie itself can easily support two stations.
> >
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There hasn't been a census since 2001. The next census takes place later this year.

Besides, if you drive at all in the Barrie area, the massive rapid growth is very obvious. I remember when the McDonalds service centre on Highway 400 northbound was out in the country south of Barrie, and this is just over a decade ago. Now it's right in Barrie, surrounded by development. The CKVR studio and tower back then were on the outskirts of the city, as there was nothing south of the Hwy 27 interchange, but now there's lots of city to the south of there.

Not a lot of Canadian cities are growing at that rate. Cities in Northern Ontario are shrinking and television stations are consolidating, which I can expect. I believe the urgency of the restoration of local television in Barrie is far greater than fixing the MCTV situation in Northern Ontario, or adding second stations in areas such as London or Kitchener.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Canadian Census figures

> Besides, if you drive at all in the Barrie area, the massive
> rapid growth is very obvious. I remember when the McDonalds
> service centre on Highway 400 northbound was out in the
> country south of Barrie, and this is just over a decade ago.
> Now it's right in Barrie, surrounded by development. The
> CKVR studio and tower back then were on the outskirts of the
> city, as there was nothing south of the Hwy 27 interchange,
> but now there's lots of city to the south of there.
>
> Not a lot of Canadian cities are growing at that rate.
> Cities in Northern Ontario are shrinking and television
> stations are consolidating, which I can expect. I believe
> the urgency of the restoration of local television in Barrie
> is far greater than fixing the MCTV situation in Northern
> Ontario, or adding second stations in areas such as London
> or Kitchener.
>
Let's swing the other direction for a second, and and look at Richmund Hill, Newmarket, Keswick, Sutton, Jackson's point and Peferlaw(sp?). Why ignore those places? They need a tv station too! (yes, ONE station...not a station for each place)

As for Barrie, I mentioned before in another thread last year some time that Barrie, and Collingwood need a station (meaning ONE station, not one for each place...), along with points out that way.
In the WINTER months, if I tune into A channel(CKVR) weather, and I don't get a ski report for Collingwood, I know MANY that will be very angry.
As we head into summer, isn't there a need for a lake report? Open? closed to swimming, etc?
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Re: GTA

> Let's swing the other direction for a second, and and look
> at Richmund Hill, Newmarket, Keswick, Sutton, Jackson's
> point and Peferlaw(sp?). Why ignore those places? They need
> a tv station too! (yes, ONE station...not a station for each
> place)
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Much of that area (save for Sutton and Keswick) though is just suburban Toronto and is part of the GTA. Licensing a station to a place like Newmarket would be difficult, because it would invariably be a Toronto station. I wonder if anyone here can name the radio stations licensed to locations in York Region, without looking them up. I doubt it, because we associate stations like 640 with Toronto (CFMJ is licensed to Richmond Hill). York Region should be left to existing Toronto broadcasters such as CFTO and CITY, because they are really just part of Toronto but under a different municipality name. People up there that I know identify with Toronto, not with whatever community they happen to be in. People from Aurora say they are from Toronto. Barrie sees itself as separate. Barrie and its environs to the west and north are far enough away from Toronto that the region is autonomous and can support separate television/radio stations from Toronto.

Plus, Barrie is a separate market. Why don't we tell the people of Toledo, Ohio that they can't have local television stations because they can get stations from Detroit over the air?<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: GTA

> ---------
> Much of that area (save for Sutton and Keswick) though is
> just suburban Toronto and is part of the GTA. Licensing a
> station to a place like Newmarket would be difficult,
> because it would invariably be a Toronto station. I wonder
> if anyone here can name the radio stations licensed to
> locations in York Region, without looking them up. I doubt
> it, because we associate stations like 640 with Toronto
> (CFMJ is licensed to Richmond Hill). York Region should be
> left to existing Toronto broadcasters such as CFTO and CITY,
> because they are really just part of Toronto but under a
> different municipality name. People up there that I know
> identify with Toronto, not with whatever community they
> happen to be in. People from Aurora say they are from
> Toronto. Barrie sees itself as separate. Barrie and its
> environs to the west and north are far enough away from
> Toronto that the region is autonomous and can support
> separate television/radio stations from Toronto.
>
> Plus, Barrie is a separate market. Why don't we tell the
> people of Toledo, Ohio that they can't have local television
> stations because they can get stations from Detroit over the
> air?
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This may be where we differ, (in a very respectful manner)
Jackson's point, Keswick, Sutton, and Peferlaw being the main focus, with Aurora and Newmarket being the secondary focus, to help population count appear higher.
Who in Aurora were you talking to lately? "People in Aurora sasy they're from Toronto"
REALLY? People from Aurora say "We're from Aurora, near Newmarket...Y'know...not Toronto, not Barrie...nice little place...and unlike other places, we even have our own cable company!...wether or not that's great is a matter of opinion..."
(Damn ditches!...long story...LOL!)
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