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Sunny 98.1 San Diego Revamps Lineup With Trio Of KRTH Hosts; Rob & Joss Move Back To KYXY

asugeorge1 said:
If people in San Diego wanted to listen to KRTH and their hosts, they could just listen to KRTH 101.1 FM on their radios considering the station comes in great throughout San Diego County. This move does not make sense.
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KRTH does not show up in the San Diego book, and the 54 dbu of KRTH does not hit any part of San Diego County. It's known that 95% of the at home and at work listening occurs within the 65 dbu contour, and the in-car part is estimated to pretty much end within the protected contour.

So, no, there is little to no possibility for KRTH from LA to be even a minor, minor factor in the San Diego market. And the average listener on the average radio simply can't easily hear it, if at all.

While reportedly not on the air, there is even an LPFM on 101.1 right in San Diego. That indicates that even the FCC does not consider KRTH to be "listenable" in that area.
 
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DavidEduardo said:
KRTH does not show up in the San Diego book, and the 54 dbu of KRTH does not hit any part of San Diego County. It's known that 95% of the at home and at work listening occurs within the 65 dbu contour, and the in-car part is estimated to pretty much end within the protected contour.

So, no, there is little to no possibility for KRTH from LA to be even a minor, minor factor in the San Diego market. And the average listener on the average radio simply can't easily hear it, if at all.

While reportedly not on the air, there is even an LPFM on 101.1 right in San Diego. That indicates that even the FCC does not consider KRTH to be "listenable" in that area.
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Well I’m telling you that I listen to KRTH loud and clear in my house and in my car and I live in north San Diego County. I can even get an HD radio signal lock in certain areas of my house. So those dbu contours mean nothing to me when real world conditions are very different. I am unaware of any LPFM in San Diego on 101.1 FM. If there is, KRTH obliterates it with it’s monster signal from Mt. Wilson.
 
DavidEduardo said:
KRTH does not show up in the San Diego book, and the 54 dbu of KRTH does not hit any part of San Diego County. It's known that 95% of the at home and at work listening occurs within the 65 dbu contour, and the in-car part is estimated to pretty much end within the protected contour.

So, no, there is little to no possibility for KRTH from LA to be even a minor, minor factor in the San Diego market. And the average listener on the average radio simply can't easily hear it, if at all.

While reportedly not on the air, there is even an LPFM on 101.1 right in San Diego. That indicates that even the FCC does not consider KRTH to be "listenable" in that area.
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When I lived in Chula Vista in the 70's, KRTH reception was normal from my home.

In fact, 100.7 KHAY from Ventura comes in Downtown San Diego, covered over by KFBG.

A number of FM LA stations have at least a car signal throughout the County.

Conversely, 91X has a signal in LA.

In addition, WBEB has a signal in NYC. Just wait for the next blackout...

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
It's the curvature of the coast----L.A. stations go straight over the water and vice-versa. I've heard 91X in Santa Barbara.

That said, there 's a difference between there being a signal on the dial and anyone actually listening to it. The days of people listening to out-of-market signals in numbers large enough to show up well in the book are long gone, with very few exceptions. It would take you a long time to find 100 people in San Diego who, if you said Greg, Laura or Larry's name, would say "Oh, yeah! They're on K-EARTH."
 
michael hagerty said:
It's the curvature of the coast----L.A. stations go straight over the water and vice-versa. I've heard 91X in Santa Barbara.

That said, there 's a difference between there being a signal on the dial and anyone actually listening to it. The days of people listening to out-of-market signals in numbers large enough to show up well in the book are long gone, with very few exceptions. It would take you a long time to find 100 people in San Diego who, if you said Greg, Laura or Larry's name, would say "Oh, yeah! They're on K-EARTH."
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Well explained.

I often say "hearing" is not the same as "listening". The LA signals may do well nearer the coast, but they don't survive inland locations or car rides in those areas. No "listener" puts up with a signal that cuts out or flutters.

Some years back, an LA non-com wanted to put a translator on 107.5 where KLVE, one of the better Mt Wilson signals, resides. It took a good deal of on-air requests for them to call to get a few far North County San Diego listeners to say that they wanted to keep hearing us. The fact was that in most places, that very good Wilson signal was just not easily enjoyed. Hearable, yes. But not "listenable".

That said, there are a few formats where folks will put up with very weak signals... decades ago, classical was an example. Folks would even put up outside antennas and get good tuners. Today, they ask Alexa to "play something by Mahler".
 
DavidEduardo said:
KRTH does not show up in the San Diego book, and the 54 dbu of KRTH does not hit any part of San Diego County. It's known that 95% of the at home and at work listening occurs within the 65 dbu contour, and the in-car part is estimated to pretty much end within the protected contour.

So, no, there is little to no possibility for KRTH from LA to be even a minor, minor factor in the San Diego market. And the average listener on the average radio simply can't easily hear it, if at all.

While reportedly not on the air, there is even an LPFM on 101.1 right in San Diego. That indicates that even the FCC does not consider KRTH to be "listenable" in that area.
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Yes, that San Diego LPFM at 101.1 is on the air. Transmits from the roof of the 1-story World Beat Center in Balboa Park. You can only hear it within about a 2 or 3 mile radius. Beyond that, it's obliterated by KRTH -- which is 120 miles away.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Well explained.

I often say "hearing" is not the same as "listening". The LA signals may do well nearer the coast, but they don't survive inland locations or car rides in those areas. No "listener" puts up with a signal that cuts out or flutters.

Some years back, an LA non-com wanted to put a translator on 107.5 where KLVE, one of the better Mt Wilson signals, resides. It took a good deal of on-air requests for them to call to get a few far North County San Diego listeners to say that they wanted to keep hearing us. The fact was that in most places, that very good Wilson signal was just not easily enjoyed. Hearable, yes. But not "listenable".

That said, there are a few formats where folks will put up with very weak signals... decades ago, classical was an example. Folks would even put up outside antennas and get good tuners. Today, they ask Alexa to "play something by Mahler".
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To clarify, we hear, normal people, listen.

But, the reality is, we listen, normal people, hear...

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
badjef said:
To clarify, we hear, normal people, listen.

But, the reality is, we listen, normal people, hear...

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
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I can "hear" stations from New Zealand on AM from here near Palm Springs if I try. But I would not become a listener. The signal is inconsistent to the max, and the quality will be poor.

What is amazing is, before Nielsen quit listing stations that don't subscribe, how many out of market stations got a few mentions in diaries. We suspected that many of those mentions were from people who traveled; WZNT in San Juan once showed up in the NYC Arbitron in 1979 and it had to be Puerto Ricans who went to the Island over the holidays.

But most people have no tolerance for weaker signals.

Of course, now we can use Alexa or other web services to listen to stations that don't have a good signal where we are, so the game... and the assumptions... are changing.,
 
DavidEduardo said:
I can "hear" stations from New Zealand on AM from here near Palm Springs if I try. But I would not become a listener. The signal is inconsistent to the max, and the quality will be poor.

What is amazing is, before Nielsen quit listing stations that don't subscribe, how many out of market stations got a few mentions in diaries. We suspected that many of those mentions were from people who traveled; WZNT in San Juan once showed up in the NYC Arbitron in 1979 and it had to be Puerto Ricans who went to the Island over the holidays.

But most people have no tolerance for weaker signals.

Of course, now we can use Alexa or other web services to listen to stations that don't have a good signal where we are, so the game... and the assumptions... are changing.,
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It is nice to know the people charged with diary reporting were acting so diligently.

I'm not sure, I would have taken it on vacation.

But then again, I did have the Vane Jones books with me...

Jeff in Sa-sa-so-ta!
 
DavidEduardo said:
What is amazing is, before Nielsen quit listing stations that don't subscribe, how many out of market stations got a few mentions in diaries. We suspected that many of those mentions were from people who traveled; WZNT in San Juan once showed up in the NYC Arbitron in 1979 and it had to be Puerto Ricans who went to the Island over the holidays.
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More recently, there was a case of either Atlanta stations showing up in the New York ratings or vice-versa. I seem to remember that it was a family who traveled and took their PPM's with them.

I also remember seeing a couple of cases of streams outdoing the regular stations (New York and Tampa). In at least one of them, that was a family listening to an Amazon Echo.
 
Kent said:
More recently, there was a case of either Atlanta stations showing up in the New York ratings or vice-versa. I seem to remember that it was a family who traveled and took their PPM's with them.

I also remember seeing a couple of cases of streams outdoing the regular stations (New York and Tampa). In at least one of them, that was a family listening to an Amazon Echo.
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Those will not show up any longer, as of mid-2019 Nielsen does not release non-subscriber data even to subscribers if a station is below a 0.1 rating (that means about a 1.2 to 1.3 share). And few stations subscribe outside of their home market as there is no benefit from that.
 
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