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jayedwards
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Has Brian Check officially denied a format change at Sunny for this summer? Maybe he's just an excellent liar? Clear Channel managers all have that skill I've found.
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jayedwards
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Have Brian Check or other clear channel suits officially commented? (I withdraw/retract my comments using the word liar. that was unfair.)
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fred flintstone
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jayedwards said:
Inquirer: Michael Klein 06/22/2006
Almost everybody in radio has that skill. It's almost a job requirement and certainly part of the culture. Same for politicians, lawyers, contractors and used car salesmen.
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Magnum
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I agree with Cora 100%! I'm glad to see Sunny take this direction with the station. The upbeat music is refreshing. The Sunday Night dance show sounds great. And yes, they should add early 90s to the music mix. I've said this many times before, they should drop the 60s and go with a 70s, 80s, early 90s mix. I firmly believe that the 60s audience is listening to WOGL.
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You really seem to drip at the mouth anytime some station tweaks their format in a more Urbanic/Rhythmic direction. I noticed your posts on all the boards you visit, and they are all geared to some sort of Urban/Rhythmic substance. I guess if you were in charge of Philly radio or for that matter, US radio, every station would be some sort of U/R in nature. How much can one thirst for on the dial, give us Rockers an even break, but I guess if we had two full time Rockers, it would be too much to swallow and your fellow Groovers would cry foul. I am not knocking or trying to underhand you, after all you have your likes and dislikes, but fair is fair, and I just want to know what makes you guys and gals tick.Magnum said:
I like Sunny's new format.
I'm in Chester County. When I'm not listening to news or talk I bounce between WOGL, WMGK, WSNI, and WFKB. Before SNI went upbeat, it was my last choice among those four. Now it's my first choice.
RockIntern, your harping has become very tiresome. You say you want to know what makes 'Groovers' tick. It's not possible to generalize because as you say, everyone has their own likes and dislikes, but here's my personal explanation.
I'm 49 and I grew up when Top 40 radio was king, and it played a lot more variety. I was in suburban Wilmington then, and my stations of choice were WIFI, WIBG, (the old 1380) WAMS, and WFIL. When I got a little older, I enjoyed WIOQ and WYSP as well (always had a bias against WMMR and what I perceived as a "too cool for the room" vibe). So you can see how my tastes would run today to stations that play the music I listened to growing up -- Top 40 hits with a liberal helping of classic rock.
I can understand your frustration with the currently available formats. I myself am frustrated by the absence of progressive talk on Philly airwaves. You've made your point about the lack of active rock, though. Why continue to drive it into the ground -- unless you like to be irritating ...
I'm in Chester County. When I'm not listening to news or talk I bounce between WOGL, WMGK, WSNI, and WFKB. Before SNI went upbeat, it was my last choice among those four. Now it's my first choice.
RockIntern, your harping has become very tiresome. You say you want to know what makes 'Groovers' tick. It's not possible to generalize because as you say, everyone has their own likes and dislikes, but here's my personal explanation.
I'm 49 and I grew up when Top 40 radio was king, and it played a lot more variety. I was in suburban Wilmington then, and my stations of choice were WIFI, WIBG, (the old 1380) WAMS, and WFIL. When I got a little older, I enjoyed WIOQ and WYSP as well (always had a bias against WMMR and what I perceived as a "too cool for the room" vibe). So you can see how my tastes would run today to stations that play the music I listened to growing up -- Top 40 hits with a liberal helping of classic rock.
I can understand your frustration with the currently available formats. I myself am frustrated by the absence of progressive talk on Philly airwaves. You've made your point about the lack of active rock, though. Why continue to drive it into the ground -- unless you like to be irritating ...
For RI's sniping, you have to go through the history of this website. Before "the split", there were far more pro-dance and rap/anti-rock battles going on. The perception was anyone who prefers rock over rap/hip hop/dance is because rock fans are old, out of touch and close minded. Then, they were branded as "racists", "homophobes" and "Conservative Redneck Bible Thumpers". There was always calls for the rock fans to "try it, you'll like it" without regard for the old cliche "to each their own". It was either accept our position or we will discredit you (it happened to me, so I speak from experience). It got so bad that one of the old moderators started randomly banning all rock fans. Then, the break-up occured and the non-paritsan radio fans started coming out of the woodwork and posting here again, whereas the pro-dance/rap/hip hop fans starting posting en masse elsewhere. But, I digress...
Of course, certain rock (RockIntern) fans have become so incensed that their responses, while good at times, bordered on discrimination, which then became the focal point for the "groovers" as this was one of their sticking points (rock fans hate rap because they're racists, etc.). In it, some valuable arguments have become lost in the overall message. Without coming right out and calling the person a racist, some posts leave a lot to be desired. Yes, the constant positions leave one to belive his axe runs deeper, but all us rock fans want is our voices to be heard...yes, we're out here and our choices are quickly dwindling.
Sure, its easy to write us off, saying "there's the internet, satellite and digital cable", to which I respond:
1) Satellite receivers, while becoming cheaper as the technology evolves, still will cost you $12/mo (using XM as an example). Sure, it would seem inexpensive, but add to it the burgeoning families just starting out and trying to cut corners and you'll see that $12/mo adds up quickly, especially when baby needs diapers.
2) Digital cable is not portable, same for the internet (at least, the latter exists this way for now).
3) The product out there now is piss-poor, to say the least. The classic rocker is nothing more than a chicken rock Classic Hits clone, whereas the mainstream (sister) rocker is so over the place that the average listener punches out after a tune or two. Factor in the "variety hits" station, and there are real identity crises involved.
4) You do have the fringe players (Frank, Hawk, etc) that do have better variety, but as such, their signal cannot be picked up in certain office buildings, where it is assumed most rock fans work.
5) The same can be said of the other formats.
We just want balance. We should probably be thankful for the scarce choices we do have. But, this is also the frustration that rock radio in a major market can be, and should be, better than it is.
Then again, we don't have it half as bad as NYC (one chicken rock classic rocker and a part-time poor excuse for an AOR).
Of course, certain rock (RockIntern) fans have become so incensed that their responses, while good at times, bordered on discrimination, which then became the focal point for the "groovers" as this was one of their sticking points (rock fans hate rap because they're racists, etc.). In it, some valuable arguments have become lost in the overall message. Without coming right out and calling the person a racist, some posts leave a lot to be desired. Yes, the constant positions leave one to belive his axe runs deeper, but all us rock fans want is our voices to be heard...yes, we're out here and our choices are quickly dwindling.
Sure, its easy to write us off, saying "there's the internet, satellite and digital cable", to which I respond:
1) Satellite receivers, while becoming cheaper as the technology evolves, still will cost you $12/mo (using XM as an example). Sure, it would seem inexpensive, but add to it the burgeoning families just starting out and trying to cut corners and you'll see that $12/mo adds up quickly, especially when baby needs diapers.
2) Digital cable is not portable, same for the internet (at least, the latter exists this way for now).
3) The product out there now is piss-poor, to say the least. The classic rocker is nothing more than a chicken rock Classic Hits clone, whereas the mainstream (sister) rocker is so over the place that the average listener punches out after a tune or two. Factor in the "variety hits" station, and there are real identity crises involved.
4) You do have the fringe players (Frank, Hawk, etc) that do have better variety, but as such, their signal cannot be picked up in certain office buildings, where it is assumed most rock fans work.
5) The same can be said of the other formats.
We just want balance. We should probably be thankful for the scarce choices we do have. But, this is also the frustration that rock radio in a major market can be, and should be, better than it is.
Then again, we don't have it half as bad as NYC (one chicken rock classic rocker and a part-time poor excuse for an AOR).
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fred flintstone
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Rockin Rob, you've been around the biz. You should know better.
Follow the money!
Clearly, advertisers are more interested (as in ca$h on the barrelhead) in reaching the audience for Urban music formats than the audience for Rock-based formats (including Active, Classic, Hits, Alternative). Now, why is that?
Talk based formats, Urban formats and AC derived formats get money. Not rock. It's still to soon for the rock audience to be out of the money demos (although not that far off). So, what is it?
Follow the money!
Clearly, advertisers are more interested (as in ca$h on the barrelhead) in reaching the audience for Urban music formats than the audience for Rock-based formats (including Active, Classic, Hits, Alternative). Now, why is that?
Talk based formats, Urban formats and AC derived formats get money. Not rock. It's still to soon for the rock audience to be out of the money demos (although not that far off). So, what is it?
Playing my own devil's advocate, one could easily say there is no quality rock product out there. To that, I say its the record executive's faults. Add that to these suits being in consort with the radio industry and, yes, no one wants to sell as these formats are polarizing. True, same with rock, not the point here.
Sure, I know radio is a business. However, MY OWN OPINION is that we deserve choice as well. Rock fans do not try and push our views on others, unlike our dance, rap and hip hop brethern. Will it happen tomorrow? Probably not as "the next best thing" is needed. Radio, while a business, is still cyclical. Rock will be back up, but not until then. In the meantime, the terrestrial radio dumbing down continues.
But, you cannot deny the fact that people have differing views on things and that we ALL deserve a right to bitch.
Sure, I know radio is a business. However, MY OWN OPINION is that we deserve choice as well. Rock fans do not try and push our views on others, unlike our dance, rap and hip hop brethern. Will it happen tomorrow? Probably not as "the next best thing" is needed. Radio, while a business, is still cyclical. Rock will be back up, but not until then. In the meantime, the terrestrial radio dumbing down continues.
But, you cannot deny the fact that people have differing views on things and that we ALL deserve a right to bitch.
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fred flintstone
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Rob, far be it from me to deny anyone his right to bitch.
But you did not speak to my question: Why aren't rock-based formats getting advertiser support? Radio execs will program whatever they can sell; whatever advertisers will buy. Audience numbers are a means, not an end.
Radio station groups are in competition with each other. The radio dial is not like a restaurant menu. Restaurant menus are intended to provide choice. The radio dial is what happens various station groups each try to maximize their own position to their own advantage.
Maybe rock fans are leaving the money demos, after all. What I'm hearing sounds like the same arguements/complaints that get posted on the Standards and Oldies boards. Boomer rock (Oldies) won't be back. Maybe your rock - Gen X rock - won't be back either. And complaints that something is not as good as it used to be is a sure sign of aging.
But you did not speak to my question: Why aren't rock-based formats getting advertiser support? Radio execs will program whatever they can sell; whatever advertisers will buy. Audience numbers are a means, not an end.
Radio station groups are in competition with each other. The radio dial is not like a restaurant menu. Restaurant menus are intended to provide choice. The radio dial is what happens various station groups each try to maximize their own position to their own advantage.
Maybe rock fans are leaving the money demos, after all. What I'm hearing sounds like the same arguements/complaints that get posted on the Standards and Oldies boards. Boomer rock (Oldies) won't be back. Maybe your rock - Gen X rock - won't be back either. And complaints that something is not as good as it used to be is a sure sign of aging.
Well I guess the thread has gone way off topic at this point. But I said a few days back, somewhere else further down the list of posts - to me radio is about selling commercial time. Ya play what brings an audience that advertisers will believe falls for everything they hear.
The world has come down to statistical analysis in everything. I suspect that's why FM sounds the way it does. Whether it's the B, Power, Sunny, MMR, XTU or any of the other commercials. How many of the people listening to those stations could be presumed to be doing some combination of the following: maxing out a Roth each year, contributing to a 401K, funding a 529 for each of their children's educations, or have a fixed rate 15 year mortgage, understand the rapid depreciation of a new car or give money for worthy causes. I know there would be a few because statistics say that very rarely is anything 100%
Radio doesn't want me as a listener because I won't "Come on down because we've got cars, cars, cars!"; "Take the fantasy dream vacation of a lifetime and pay later" and so on. Ya get the data on who are the financially irresponsible, identify what those individuals would most likely commit listening time to and voila, I think you come up with the FM dial. If they would commit listening time to Verdi, Mozart, Louis Armstrong, Stanley Turentine, or Dinah Shore, then FM would sound like that.
Personally, I'd like a station with S.R. Vaughan, Clapton, Buddy Guy, Robin Trower, Santana (you know, when they used to let him actually be on his releases), anything with Paul Rodgers on the vocal, some singer-songwriters like Harry Chapin, James Taylor, John Mayer, Weather Report, Pat Methany, some traditional country like Strait and Reba plus Kutlass and Third Day. So between the way I use my financial resources and my listening preferences, shoot I don't test well. So there'll be no FM for me.
The world has come down to statistical analysis in everything. I suspect that's why FM sounds the way it does. Whether it's the B, Power, Sunny, MMR, XTU or any of the other commercials. How many of the people listening to those stations could be presumed to be doing some combination of the following: maxing out a Roth each year, contributing to a 401K, funding a 529 for each of their children's educations, or have a fixed rate 15 year mortgage, understand the rapid depreciation of a new car or give money for worthy causes. I know there would be a few because statistics say that very rarely is anything 100%
Radio doesn't want me as a listener because I won't "Come on down because we've got cars, cars, cars!"; "Take the fantasy dream vacation of a lifetime and pay later" and so on. Ya get the data on who are the financially irresponsible, identify what those individuals would most likely commit listening time to and voila, I think you come up with the FM dial. If they would commit listening time to Verdi, Mozart, Louis Armstrong, Stanley Turentine, or Dinah Shore, then FM would sound like that.
Personally, I'd like a station with S.R. Vaughan, Clapton, Buddy Guy, Robin Trower, Santana (you know, when they used to let him actually be on his releases), anything with Paul Rodgers on the vocal, some singer-songwriters like Harry Chapin, James Taylor, John Mayer, Weather Report, Pat Methany, some traditional country like Strait and Reba plus Kutlass and Third Day. So between the way I use my financial resources and my listening preferences, shoot I don't test well. So there'll be no FM for me.
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