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Superstations

I caved in and signed up for a trial membership to Highbeam Research, an online source that provides articles from a plethora of publications going as far back as the mid 1980s. I've been pouring over articles about the cable industry 20-plus years ago and found the now-historical documents fascinating!

I've long been interested in superstations and the importing of distant broadcasting signals, the bread and butter of the cable industry in its very early days, probably because I enjoy traveling so much. I noted a few interesting tidbits during my Highbeam search.

For instance, as I suspected, United Video, the uplinker of the WGN-9 signal out of Chicago gave up the rights to do so in 2001. Since then, Tribune has been overseeing WGN America (formerly Superstation WGN). I suspect Tribune and UV were working in tandem with programming on the national signal prior to that split. Also, an article commemorating Superstation WGN's 25th anniversary (in 2003) included an interview with the GM of the station in 1978. He was mortified when he learned WGN-9 was being beamed by UV across the country. Of course, he had no say in the matter. Over time, the two entities worked together and saw a revenue opportunity on both sides.

A few questions have popped into my mind, and I'm wondering if anyone has any insight on them:

1) Few would argue that superstations have seen their day. WGN America, obviously, is carried widely on cable and satellite systems throughout the country. And WWOR's national signal was famously dropped late in 1996 on cable. What about the smaller superstations - WPIX, WSBK, etc.? I know Dish Network offers them (WWOR, too) to qualifying customers. I doubt this would ever happen, but could my cable operator - Time Warner - here in Milwaukee decide to add WPIX to its line-up in today's modern climate? Or, have WPIX, WSBK and the others been relegated solely to that Dish superstations package with WWOR?

2) I discovered, through the Highbeam research, that Turner Broadcasting successfully transformed TBS into a basic cable network in the late 1990s. The old WTBS, in essense, was then simulcasting a cable network, rather than TBS being a superstation of an Atlanta independent station. I read WGN was attempting something similar. Is WGN America still considered a superstation, in the technical sense, or is it now a national cable network?
 
Isn't WGN the CW affiliate for Chicago? That would make the cable channel a completely different entity. Didn't WGN and WTBS hold on to their superstation status because of the national coverage of Cubs and Braves baseball games?
 
milwaukee_dave said:
1) Few would argue that superstations have seen their day. WGN America, obviously, is carried widely on cable and satellite systems throughout the country. And WWOR's national signal was famously dropped late in 1996 on cable. What about the smaller superstations - WPIX, WSBK, etc.? I know Dish Network offers them (WWOR, too) to qualifying customers. I doubt this would ever happen, but could my cable operator - Time Warner - here in Milwaukee decide to add WPIX to its line-up in today's modern climate? Or, have WPIX, WSBK and the others been relegated solely to that Dish superstations package with WWOR?

As far as Dish Network goes and their superstation package, I am pretty sure they are available to everyone everywhere and not just to "qualifying customers".
I belong to another site and bunch of their members get all five channels through Dish Network ( KTLA, WSBK, WPIX, WWOR and for right now..KWGN ) and they live in either Columbus, Ohio and Indianapolis and both cities have their own CW and MY Network TV affiliates. Of course I would imagine the Indy and Columbus stations have the right to block out certain shows on those channels but I haven't heard if that is what they have been doing.
 
poledo said:
Isn't WGN the CW affiliate for Chicago? That would make the cable channel a completely different entity.

Yes. The only common programming on both WGN-TV and WGN America is the Noon and 9 PM news, Cubs/Sox baseball, and about 15 Bulls games (with about 10 more carried strictly OTA on Channel 9).

Didn't WGN and WTBS hold on to their superstation status because of the national coverage of Cubs and Braves baseball games?

I'd be surprised if the FCC made its decisions based on baseball.
 
WTTV (CW, Ch. 4, Indianapolis) used to be considered perhaps a "superstation lite" in the southern Indiana and Western Kentucky region. Possibly in southern Illinois as well. This was in the late '70s and early '80s when there were a number of smaller cable companies that offered a good number of out-of-market stations.

I remember when we first got cable (I was a kid) back in '82 in Rockport, Indiana, we could get our local stations (Evansville, IN), WTTV, and all of the Louisville, KY network stations, plus WDRB 41, which back then was an independent. Of course, we also got WGN and WTBS, both of which are still around, obviously, albeit in much different incarnations.

As I recall, 'TTV was dropped outside of the Indianapolis market sometime in the late '80s. Wish I could narrow it down to a particular year, but I don't remember. If memory serves, we lost it in '84, and I think the Louisville stations (except WDRB) were taken off around '88 or '89.
 
Unless you live in an area with no CW or MyNetwork affiliate, superstations as they are now, are basically useless. Their main selling point was sports, but other than WGN and a handful of Mets games on WPIX, that's fallen by the wayside.
 
Cowboybud has it right. 'Superstation' was a very poor moniker for stations that, except for a handful of sports programs, lived on reruns of syndicated sitcoms. There was absolutely nothing 'super' about the programming. It is even moreso today. TBS has become a twin of the CW with its plethora of second and third-tier sitcom garbage and blue-background ($19.95) commercials. Junk TV at its finest. Very funny!
 
I have an older friend who grew up near in Spencer County, IN and said he got WTTV with an antenna. This would have been in the 60s, before cable. I don't know if this is still the case or not.

If Vincennes is still in the DMA, then WTTV remains on some cable systems in the Evansville DMA, but not in Evansville proper. I suspect these outlying systems can't get a signal from the CW affiliate for the market, WAZE/WIKY.

WTTV also appears on the cable lineup in Terre Haute, IN. It is also on Time Warner Cable in Vevay, which looks to be in the Cincinnati market.
 
KeithE4 said:
Didn't WGN and WTBS hold on to their superstation status because of the national coverage of Cubs and Braves baseball games?

I'd be surprised if the FCC made its decisions based on baseball.

Not an FCC decision, a MLB decision based on each team having a local territory they could broadcast in. I'm pulling all this information out of the back of my brain. I'm sure details could be found on the wikipedia profile of Ted Turner.
 
Most of the smaller areas had a VHF "superstation of sorts."

For instance when I would watch cable in Hibbing MN in the early 70s, WTCN channel 11 (then independent) would be carried all over Northern Minnesota, and the Dakotas, cause it was the only VHF indepedent around

I used to get KTVU in Chicago, and I liked the time difference.
 
Hampton Roads, Virginia's old WYAH-TV 27 ( now WGNT part of CW ) back in the 70's and early 80's when Pat Robertson owned them was a "somewhat" superstation. I am not sure exactly how far they were seen but I do remember seeing WYAH's listngs appear back then in the old long-defunct Washington Star newspaper. Considering that the Star never was available in Hampton Roads ( or anywhere near there for that matter ) that makes me believe that WYAH was available on at least some cable systems in the greater DC area despite the 200 or so miles between Portsmouth/Norfolk and DC. For the record no listings for WYAH ever appeared in the Washington Post ( which BTW was available in Hampton Roads at the time ) and WYAH was the only commerical station from Virginia to appear in the Star.

If there weren't any WYAH viewers in the DC metro area..why would The Star even bother featuring the listings from WYAH?
 
Let's not forget KTVT-11 from Dallas/Ft. Worth, which was a superstation prior to being affiliated with CBS back in the early 1990s (during that period of big affiliate swaps when Fox purchased a bunch of stations, including former CBS affil. channel 4 in Dallas). I had a C-band dish back when it happened and remember it being yanked from the "superstation" package the minute that the CBS affiliation kicked in.

Aside from Dish network and cable systems in Canada, the days of WSBK as a regional superstation are done. It used to be carried on cable from western New York to the eastern tip of Maine and was very popular back then. No longer. In fact, it's still being yanked from cable systems in the Pine Tree state. It's only guaranteed carriage is in the Boston DMA. And, mind you, it's back to being a bona-fide independent again. Of course, it would help if WSBK "TV 38" still had the local TV rights to the Red Sox - who are no longer carried on local OTA television at all (only NESN).
 
I just thought of something.

The recent merger of Denver's KWGN ( which is right now part of the Dish Network Superstation package ) and KDVR Fox 31 ( which is not ), once and IF KWGN becomes Denver's FOX 2, wonder what will become of KWGN's space on Dish Network? Another station? Indy's WTTV? LA's KCOP? KDVR? Nothing?

Or since Dish Network is based in Denver ( and I am sure they have close ties to all of the Denver TV stations ) would they just go ahead and discontinue offering those superstations?
 
mleach said:
Hampton Roads, Virginia's old WYAH-TV 27 ( now WGNT part of CW ) back in the 70's and early 80's when Pat Robertson owned them was a "somewhat" superstation. I am not sure exactly how far they were seen but I do remember seeing WYAH's listngs appear back then in the old long-defunct Washington Star newspaper... If there weren't any WYAH viewers in the DC metro area..why would The Star even bother featuring the listings from WYAH?

Makes me wonder if Robertson owned the Star, too...

Superstations? I just happen to know of an Internet radio station that positions itself as a "talk superstation..." ;)
 
WYAH was never a superstation in the sense that is was microwaved or transmitted via satelite to cable systems outside of its usual coverage area. Certainly, it was never available on cable in the DC metro area. WYAH was available in some southern parts of the Richmond metro area (Storer in Chesterfield Co. and Telemedia in Hopewell and Colonial Heights, but those systems picked up WYAH OTA. Richmond and Petersburg systems carried WTTG and WDCA via microwave, as did virtually every major cable system in VA, NC, and even a few in SC.
 
fortmill said:
WYAH was never a superstation in the sense that is was microwaved or transmitted via satelite to cable systems outside of its usual coverage area. Certainly, it was never available on cable in the DC metro area. WYAH was available in some southern parts of the Richmond metro area (Storer in Chesterfield Co. and Telemedia in Hopewell and Colonial Heights, but those systems picked up WYAH OTA. Richmond and Petersburg systems carried WTTG and WDCA via microwave, as did virtually every major cable system in VA, NC, and even a few in SC.

OTOH why would a local newpaper carry listings for a station nobody could get?

That would be like the Buffalo News ( New York ) providing listings for WIS in Columbia, South Carolina or the LA Times offering listings for NYC's WABC-TV.
What would be the purpose?
 
mleach said:
I just thought of something.

The recent merger of Denver's KWGN ( which is right now part of the Dish Network Superstation package ) and KDVR Fox 31 ( which is not ), once and IF KWGN becomes Denver's FOX 2, wonder what will become of KWGN's space on Dish Network? Another station? Indy's WTTV? LA's KCOP? KDVR? Nothing?

Or since Dish Network is based in Denver ( and I am sure they have close ties to all of the Denver TV stations ) would they just go ahead and discontinue offering those superstations?

If KWGN and KDVR switch affiliations, KWGN would disappear from the superstation package, since it would no longer meet the legal definition of a superstation. The definition specifies that the station must not be affiliated with any network that existed on January 1, 1995 in order to be considered a superstation. There are other issues in the definition, but that is the pertinent one here.
 
milwaukee_dave said:
1) Few would argue that superstations have seen their day. WGN America, obviously, is carried widely on cable and satellite systems throughout the country. And WWOR's national signal was famously dropped late in 1996 on cable. What about the smaller superstations - WPIX, WSBK, etc.? I know Dish Network offers them (WWOR, too) to qualifying customers. I doubt this would ever happen, but could my cable operator - Time Warner - here in Milwaukee decide to add WPIX to its line-up in today's modern climate? Or, have WPIX, WSBK and the others been relegated solely to that Dish superstations package with WWOR?

The 5 superstations in Dish Network's superstation package, TBS & WGN, and one independent station from Dallas that later got CBS affiliation, were all once indys on C-Band that could be delivered to cable systems. They were grandfathered contingent they didn't align with a network: "that the station must not be affiliated with any network that existed on January 1, 1995 in order to be considered a superstation." as written above. TBS is a cable network. According to a Variety article in 2006, WGN still claims to be a superstation, so cable companies pay a superstation license fee instead:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117957314.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

WPIX may have cable carriage in adjacent markets still, and perhaps in areas in upstate NY. I think Comcast in Atlantic City carries it, but on digital only. The original cable provider may have picked up the signal right from C-Band. In Philadelphia market, a lot of cable systems in the past just did that. You'd know when the signal was out. In this case, Comcast can pay a superstation license fee, but not a retransmission fee to Tribune, since its out of market, but syndex can apply for blackouts. One benefit is the 10pm newscasts, which is good for ppl who intend on going to the city, early the next morning, or just want to catch up with local news. I'd actually like Fios to carry it, though they may not want to deal with blacking out content.
 
rch66 said:
WPIX may have cable carriage in adjacent markets still, and perhaps in areas in upstate NY. I think Comcast in Atlantic City carries it, but on digital only.

I remember just a few years ago when Comcast (in the AC area) carried WPIX on its basic analog lineup. What a waste! It was blacked out most of the time.
 
Thanks for the insight, rch66. The Variety article was very interesting, although Tribune certainly doesn't seem content going status quo with WGN's national signal any longer, based on some of the changes that have been taking place since Memorial Day.

Within the U.S., I figured superstations like WPIX were relegated to the immediate regions they serve, with the exception of the Dish package that is offered. I was vacationing in Buffalo in November, hoping to see WWOR and/or WPIX. Neither were available on the city's local Time Warner cable system. I would imagine that wasn't the case at one time.
 
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