And weren't the KECA calls on 1430(?) prior to Earle C. Anthony buying the 780 freq?
Can we assume 1430 is today's (post-NARBA) 1460?
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Surprised that there was no KABC 810 am San Francisco?
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And weren't the KECA calls on 1430(?) prior to Earle C. Anthony buying the 780 freq?
Can we assume 1430 is today's (post-NARBA) 1460?
Slight Correction:recto101 said:
KCET = Community Educational Television and KOCE-TV = Orange County Educational-TV. Source is my own personal memory when these stations signed on and old Broadcasting magazines from David Eduardo Gleason's website www.americanradiohistory.com
Yes, KECA was on 1430, pre-NARBA...and that would have become a Los Angeles-licensed 1460 signal post-NARBA if Anthony hadn't bought KEHE 780 (later 790) from Hearst. Instead, 1430/1460 went silent, though the 1460 frequency was much later resurrected at lower power as KTYM Inglewood, just a couple of miles from the 780/790 transmitter site on S. La Cienega.
Interesting useless trivia: the current KABC/KLOS studio-AM transmitter site on La Cienega is the very same location that's been used by 780/790 all the way back to the Hearst/KEHE days. The KEHE transmitter building became the core of a much larger agglomeration of studio/office space that remained in use by KABC/KLOS until the 1980s, when it was demolished and the current KABC/KLOS building was built on a different part of the property. When they were tearing down the old building, the last piece to go was that original KEHE building...and when they removed everything around it, they found the original stone lintel above the door, bearing the Hearst eagle insignia. That piece was saved, and is now in storage in the new building.
Interesting useless trivia: the current KABC/KLOS studio-AM transmitter site on La Cienega is the very same location that's been used by 780/790 all the way back to the Hearst/KEHE days. The KEHE transmitter building became the core of a much larger agglomeration of studio/office space that remained in use by KABC/KLOS until the 1980s, when it was demolished and the current KABC/KLOS building was built on a different part of the property. When they were tearing down the old building, the last piece to go was that original KEHE building...and when they removed everything around it, they found the original stone lintel above the door, bearing the Hearst eagle insignia. That piece was saved, and is now in storage in the new building.
Lkeller said:
Once again, KFRC was sequentially issued. In September 1924 these callsigns were issued: KFRB Beeville TX; KFRF Alexandria LA; KFRG St. Louis MO; KFRH Grafton ND; KFRC San Francisco CA.
Also, KTAB stood for Tenth (not Third) Avenue Baptist Church in Oakland.
While most operators took the callsigns assigned to them, early on some stations requested changes. KSL was requested because of its location in Salt Lake City. It was originally KZN.
How did the timeshare of KTM and KELW figure in the history of KABC? The Bay Area didn't have a lot of time shares, did it? I don't think there ever any in San Diego. New York had quite a few, I think at one point 3 or even more stations shared the 1330 there. Pre NARBA 860 was shared by two stations in NYC, WBOQ and WABC. I think the 1130 there was the result of a lot of consolidations both in NYC and surrounding areas.
Lopaka said:
Duopolies were permitted before (I think) 1943, which I believe was the year in which they were abolished. The big AM frequency shuffle of NARBA took place at the end of March 1941. Two New York-area stations WODA and WAAM shared either 1100 (the pre-NARBA 1130) or 1250 (the pre-NARBA 1280). WODA and WAAM merged to produce WOV, which after NARBA was on 1280 and shared time with a station with the calls WHBI licensed to Newark NJ. WOV operated Monday thru Saturday and WHBI operated on Sundays. The company that owned WOV was called the Wodaam Corp, Wodaam (which sounded Dutch, but apparently was not) was a concatenation of WODA and WAAM. Anyhow, I'm not sure which stations had been on 1100. (As I said, WODA and WAAM may have been on 1100.) But three stations, whose calls I do not know, merged to form WNEW (AM) on 1130. The 1250 (and later 1280) transmitter site has been referred to repeatedly as the WNEW site. It was distinguished by being home to a 400'-or so Blaw-Knox diamond tower. Yet it was most definitely NOT the home of WNEW during the station's heyday in the '40s and '50s as the prototype music-and-news station. In those years, WNEW was on 1130 and transmitted from a site in S. Kearney further south in the Jersey Meadowlands than the 1280 site, which is, I believe, in Secaucus. There is, however, some reason to believe that WNEW may have been on 1250 or 1280 for a while and then moved to 1130, whereas WOV (or maybe WODA and WAAM or WODA, WAAM, and WHBI) may have been on 1100 and then later moved to 1250 and then, under NARBA, to 1280.
If David Eduardo reads this, he is likely to unravel some of the mysteries. WOV became WADO, which his company owns. The Blaw-Knox tower was replaced, maybe 10 years or so ago, when WADO increased its day power from 5 kW to 50 kW.
It's not David's company anymore... 
WODA and WAAM combined in 1934 to form WNEW on 1250, sharing time on that channel with WHBI.
WOV was on 1130 and merged with WLWL New York (owned by the Paulist Fathers) and WPG Atlantic City, both of which had been on 1100. The merged "new WOV" was on 1100.
I believe that both new-WOV and WNEW ended up in the hands of Arde Bulova at some point before NARBA. NARBA moved WNEW to 1280 and WOV (back) to 1130, but not for very long; they switched channels later in 1941 and moved WNEW to 1130 and WOV to 1280, still sharing Sundays with WHBI. It became WADO in the early sixties.
The 1250/1280 site is just north of Giants Stadium in Carlstadt. The 1100/1130 site was, as Dan notes, in Kearney; it moved in the late sixties to Carlstadt, just east of 1280.
The canonical reference for tracking these moves, and all the zillions of sharetimes and frequency swaps in early NYC radio, is the excellent "Airwaves of New York," still in print from McFarland, at least in paperback:
http://www.amazon.com/Airwaves-New-York-Illustrated-Metropolitan/dp/0786403438
WODA and WAAM combined in 1934 to form WNEW on 1250, sharing time on that channel with WHBI.
WOV was on 1130 and merged with WLWL New York (owned by the Paulist Fathers) and WPG Atlantic City, both of which had been on 1100. The merged "new WOV" was on 1100.
I believe that both new-WOV and WNEW ended up in the hands of Arde Bulova at some point before NARBA. NARBA moved WNEW to 1280 and WOV (back) to 1130, but not for very long; they switched channels later in 1941 and moved WNEW to 1130 and WOV to 1280, still sharing Sundays with WHBI. It became WADO in the early sixties.
The 1250/1280 site is just north of Giants Stadium in Carlstadt. The 1100/1130 site was, as Dan notes, in Kearney; it moved in the late sixties to Carlstadt, just east of 1280.
The canonical reference for tracking these moves, and all the zillions of sharetimes and frequency swaps in early NYC radio, is the excellent "Airwaves of New York," still in print from McFarland, at least in paperback:
http://www.amazon.com/Airwaves-New-York-Illustrated-Metropolitan/dp/0786403438
DanStrassberg said:
Scott covered the NARBA to present frequency history.
Plugging in WOV and selecting "40s" will give you a bit of 'the rest of the story' on Arde Bulova who had a duopoly in the NY metro until he both ran into some ownership issues and was hit by the FCC prohibition of AM duopolies in "markets."
WOV was, like Generoso and Fortune Pope's WHOM, mostly Italian for a good time. WOV even had a studio in Rome. Bartell bought 1280 and did top 40 for a split second, and then the station evolved to all Spanish under GM Nelson Lavergne.
Tichenor/Hispanic/Heftel came into the picture in the 90's.
oldiesfan6479 said:
Go to http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive...keca&zoom_per_page=50&zoom_and=1&zoom_cat[]=0
and pick the second listing... a very interesting ad by Earle C Anthony about the move to 780 (from the old frequency).
DavidEduardo said:
I still recall my Italian immigrant grandmother listening to WOV at her home in Brooklyn. Jocko Henderson and Alan Fredericks also broadcast on 1280, spinning doo wop when it was brand new.
Outstanding thread and links, which took me to the early days of WABC radio and Top 40 radio. What tripped my wire was the reference to Bartell owning WADO, NY. I may be one of only 37 people who remember it being Top 40 "for half a second." The Top 40 wars between WINS, WMGM, WMCA and WABC always intrigued me and I wandered through about a half dozen links at other sites. Waste of time? Not at all. We now return to San Francisco. Thanks for the ride.
Scott Fybush said:
One significant correction:
Secret Communications (known as Booth Broadcasting prior to 1994) still owned WWWE when the callsign reverted to WTAM in July 1996. Jacor acquired it and AC outlet WLTF/106.5 (now adult hits WHLK) one year later in August 1997 - Secret divested the rest of their station group to SFX. Purportedly, Secret also considered WZAM and WUAM if the WTAM calls weren't available (WZAM was rejected because it was too similar to urban station WZAK-FM; WUAM was too close to the market's UPN/WB affiliate, WUAB-TV). Note, too, that Secret scrubbed the longtime "3WE" positioner for "Newsradio AM 1100," which of course, evolved to the current "WTAM 1100."
After Jacor purchase the station, the original heritage tie-in for the callsign was indeed revived.
Another interesting aside: in the late 1970s, WWWE was owned by "Pacific & Southern," which later found itself into Gannett - the current owner of former NBC O&O WKYC-TV.
recto101 said:
Well, I first saw it years ago, pre-Internet at the Cal Berkeley library, which had bound, indexed copies of all the FCC, FRC, and Dept of Commerce radio proceedings since the beginning of radio communications.
But you can easily do a Google search for KGO Altadena. I just did and came up with boatloads of info. You should try it before snarking about it.
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