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Surprised that there was no KABC 810 am San Francisco?

recto101 said:
What did KGO In Altadena turn into if it relly existed there? and where can I get the documents that KABC really did exist in Texas and KGO really did exist in Altadena?
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I don't know about finding documentation of KABC in Texas, but it's true. The station is today KKYX and it has the same facilities now that it had ~60 years ago: CoL: San Antonio, 680 kHz (OK, back then, it wasn't kHz; it was kcps), 50 kW-D/10-kW-N DA-N. The night pattern is a pretty standard four-tower teardrop aimed southeast and the array is perfectly rectangular. When I was a kid, I had a book that contained a black-and-white photo of the array; only three of the four towers were visible in the photo and two of the towers were at the extremes of the frame, just peeping out above the horizon. The land was absolutely flat. Today, I suppose that the land could well have become a shopping mall with the ground system buried beneath the parking lot--and maybe some of the buildings.

I wonder whether ABC stood for Alamo Broadcasting Co.
 
1069_KIFR said:
I always thought KXTV was because X is the Roman Numeral for 10, and KXTV is Channel 10, thus 10 TV.
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Correct. When Corinthian Broadcasting bought KBET from Sacramento Telecasters in 1959, they changed the call letters to KXTV, the X meaning 10.
 
recto101 said:
http://jeff560.tripod.com/1931am.html

Check this Document in 1931 KGO-AM was on 790am before it was moved to 810 am


CHeck out 780 in LA in 1931 2 radio stations KTM and KELW had 780 But Im not sure if they were bound to have any Ownership changes at that point.

Also KQW was on 1010 in 1931.
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You just now finding all this out? The NARBA treaty in March 1941 was what changed frequencies of AM stations all over the country. Before that, KYA was on 1230, KLS (I think) was on 590 before moving to 1310, KQW moved to 740, leaving 1010 vacant for 17 years, KWG was at 1200, then took KYA's place at 1230, In LA, KHJ went to 930 from 900, KECA would've gone to 1460 from 1430 except Anthony sold it 'n' bought 780, I believe. In Sacramento, KFBK went to 1530 from 1490, KROY moved to 1240 from 1210, and the list goes on and on. In the Bay Area, KPO, KSFO, and KFRC stayed put thru the NARBA switch.
 
rickradio said:
recto101 said:
http://jeff560.tripod.com/1931am.html

Check this Document in 1931 KGO-AM was on 790am before it was moved to 810 am


CHeck out 780 in LA in 1931 2 radio stations KTM and KELW had 780 But Im not sure if they were bound to have any Ownership changes at that point.

Also KQW was on 1010 in 1931.
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You just now finding all this out? The NARBA treaty in March 1941 was what changed frequencies of AM stations all over the country. Before that, KYA was on 1230, KLS (I think) was on 590 before moving to 1310, KQW moved to 740, leaving 1010 vacant for 17 years, KWG was at 1200, then took KYA's place at 1230, In LA, KHJ went to 930 from 900, KECA would've gone to 1460 from 1430 except Anthony sold it 'n' bought 780, I believe. In Sacramento, KFBK went to 1530 from 1490, KROY moved to 1240 from 1210, and the list goes on and on. In the Bay Area, KPO, KSFO, and KFRC stayed put thru the NARBA switch.
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No I just saw more documents.
 
rickradio said:
You just now finding all this out? The NARBA treaty in March 1941 was what changed frequencies of AM stations all over the country. Before that, KYA was on 1230, KLS (I think) was on 590 before moving to 1310, KQW moved to 740, leaving 1010 vacant for 17 years, KWG was at 1200, then took KYA's place at 1230, In LA, KHJ went to 930 from 900, KECA would've gone to 1460 from 1430 except Anthony sold it 'n' bought 780, I believe. In Sacramento, KFBK went to 1530 from 1490, KROY moved to 1240 from 1210, and the list goes on and on. In the Bay Area, KPO, KSFO, and KFRC stayed put thru the NARBA switch.
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You are making NARBA sound as if every station was treated as an individual case. That was certainly true of a significant number of stations (KQW's move from 1010 to 740, for example), but in the majority of cases, all or nearly all stations on a frequency moved up the dial together by 10, 20, 30, or 40 kHz (or kcps, as kHz was then called). Most stations between 550 and 730 did not move. Most stations between 740 and 780 moved up by 10 kHz. Most stations between 790 and 870 moved up by 20 kHz. The middle part of the dial (880 to 1190) was too complicated for me to make much sense out of. Quite a few of the entire (or almost entire)-frequency-at-one-stroke moves in this part of the dial were moves of 40 kHz. Most stations between 1200 and 1480 moved up by 30 kHz. The 1500-kHz local channel moved en-mass to 1490. The three experimental high-fidelity channels on 1530, 1550, and 1570 were eliminated and the top of the band was moved from 1500 to 1600 with the high-fidelity stations mostly settling in the 1510 to 1600 region.

The most interesting moves were the special cases. Of those KOB's move from 1180 (I think) to 1030 never happened. KOB had been sharing time at night with KEX, but 1030 was to become a Class IA channel on which there could be only one station that operated at night and that station was WBZ, which left KOB with no home. The FCC then put KOB on 770 which was also a IA channel and was occupied by WJZ (now WABC). That set in motion a legal entanglement that lasted for 38 years and was finally resolved with the aid of a decision of the US Supreme Court.
 
rickradio said:
1069_KIFR said:
I always thought KXTV was because X is the Roman Numeral for 10, and KXTV is Channel 10, thus 10 TV.
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Correct. When Corinthian Broadcasting bought KBET from Sacramento Telecasters in 1959, they changed the call letters to KXTV, the X meaning 10.
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And KVIE-6 "VI" + "E" = 6 Education since it was then a NET affilate before PBS.
 
Madmansam said:
And KVIE-6 "VI" + "E" = 6 Education since it was then a NET affilate before PBS.
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Well, sure, there are lots of those. KIXE the PBS non-comm channel 9 in Redding, KVIQ channel 6 in Eureka, KTXL, channel 40 in Sacramento.
 
DanStrassberg said:
You are making NARBA sound as if every station was treated as an individual case.
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Wasn't trying to. I was just naming off the individual stations whose pre-NARBA frequencies I remembered.
 
recto101 said:
rickradio said:
recto101 said:
http://jeff560.tripod.com/1931am.html

Check this Document in 1931 KGO-AM was on 790am before it was moved to 810 am


CHeck out 780 in LA in 1931 2 radio stations KTM and KELW had 780 But Im not sure if they were bound to have any Ownership changes at that point.

Also KQW was on 1010 in 1931.
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You just now finding all this out? The NARBA treaty in March 1941 was what changed frequencies of AM stations all over the country. Before that, KYA was on 1230, KLS (I think) was on 590 before moving to 1310, KQW moved to 740, leaving 1010 vacant for 17 years, KWG was at 1200, then took KYA's place at 1230, In LA, KHJ went to 930 from 900, KECA would've gone to 1460 from 1430 except Anthony sold it 'n' bought 780, I believe. In Sacramento, KFBK went to 1530 from 1490, KROY moved to 1240 from 1210, and the list goes on and on. In the Bay Area, KPO, KSFO, and KFRC stayed put thru the NARBA switch.
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No I just saw more documents.
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http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive BC/BC 1940/BC 1940 09 15 NARBA Reassignments.pdf

This is a complete NARBA list for the 3/29/41 switch.
 
Not necessarily historical or Bay Area radio related, but on the subject of Roman numerals used as call letters, KIXI in Seattle (originally at 910 kHz) used "IXI" as reference to "91" The call letters sounded really good then (and still do) and KIXI is still around, but on 880 kHz (the necessary result of a power increase to 50,000 watts in 1982).........
 
Bongwater said:
Not necessarily historical or Bay Area radio related, but on the subject of Roman numerals used as call letters, KIXI in Seattle (originally at 910 kHz) used "IXI" as reference to "91" The call letters sounded really good then (and still do) and KIXI is still around, but on 880 kHz (the necessary result of a power increase to 50,000 watts in 1982).........
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I don't suppose that KXCI, the _real_ Roman numerals for 910, would have sounded nearly as neat is K...IX...I (the handiwork of Wally Nelskog, I believe), but it wouldn't have been bad. KXCL for 950 wouldn't have been bad for KJR either, although the rather euphonious (and memorable) three-letter call would be hard to beat.
 
DanStrassberg said:
I don't suppose that KXCI, the _real_ Roman numerals for 910, would have sounded nearly as neat is K...IX...I (the handiwork of Wally Nelskog, I believe), but it wouldn't have been bad. KXCL for 950 wouldn't have been bad for KJR either, although the rather euphonious (and memorable) three-letter call would be hard to beat.
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Actually the real roman numeral for 910 is CMX, so it would be KCMX. First you think of the root in 100s, which would be CM, then you add the numerals that make up the addition to the 100, or X in this case.
 
Actually the real roman numeral for 910 is CMX, so it would be KCMX. First you think of the root in 100s, which would be CM, then you add the numerals that make up the addition to the 100, or X in this case.
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Absolutely! I was thinking about my post last night and it brought to mind one of my late father's favorite aphorisms: "Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." I still can't figure out what--if anything--I could have been thinking when I wrote that posting.

Also XCL, which I called the Roman numeral for 950, is not the Roman numeral for 950 (or anything else); 950 would be CML.
 
DanStrassberg said:
Absolutely! I was thinking about my post last night and it brought to mind one of my late father's favorite aphorisms: "Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." I still can't figure out what--if anything--I could have been thinking when I wrote that posting.
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Don't worry; lots of people get it wrong. I'm just geeky enough to know a little something about Roman notation from high school. This, of course, used to annoy me to no end when I saw wrong copyright dates on movies and books. If there's anything I learned in life it's not to get annoyed at the fine points of esoterica.

The other day a couple of us had a long, drawn out discussion on the pronunciation of Louis Armstrong's first name. I finally solved it by finding and playing his rendition of "Hello Dolly", that is, "Hello Dolly, this is Lew-isssssss, Dolly...."
 
DavidKaye said:
DanStrassberg said:
Absolutely! I was thinking about my post last night and it brought to mind one of my late father's favorite aphorisms: "Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." I still can't figure out what--if anything--I could have been thinking when I wrote that posting.
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Don't worry; lots of people get it wrong. I'm just geeky enough to know a little something about Roman notation from high school. This, of course, used to annoy me to no end when I saw wrong copyright dates on movies and books. If there's anything I learned in life it's not to get annoyed at the fine points of esoterica.

The other day a couple of us had a long, drawn out discussion on the pronunciation of Louis Armstrong's first name. I finally solved it by finding and playing his rendition of "Hello Dolly", that is, "Hello Dolly, this is Lew-isssssss, Dolly...."
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Well, this is really esoteric, but perhaps because I have a similar name, I've made a minor "study" of this. Louis (typically pronounced "Lou-ey," as in the French pronunciation) was often "Lewis" in America, and in the South.
Distinguished African-American writer and journalist Louis Lomax also pronounced it "Lewis."
 
Lkeller said:
Well, this is really esoteric, but perhaps because I have a similar name, I've made a minor "study" of this. Louis (typically pronounced "Lou-ey," as in the French pronunciation) was often "Lewis" in America, and in the South. Distinguished African-American writer and journalist Louis Lomax also pronounced it "Lewis."
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My late father's given name was Louis and he pronounced it Lou-eee, the way the French do. But a lot of people would pronounce it Lew-iss and he never bothered to correct them; he answered to either pronunciation. I doubt, however, whether his parents, who spoke only Yiddish, could have managed Lew-iss. They did Lou-eee more or less OK--but, using only English letters, I can't really spell out their pronunciation; Loo-yuh is as close as I can get.
 
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