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Sweetwater PCs... Anyone Got One?

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bobbybooey

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I'm looking to upgrade my home studio PC. I see Sweetwater has their own line of Creation Station PCs specifically built for audio production. Anyone have one or know someone who does? Just wondering if they're worth the $$$ (though they don't seem that unreasonably priced). Also, keep in mind that I'm not a build-yer-own computer kinda guy.
 
My brother is a programmer and also builds systems. I sent him the Sweetwater info. Here's his take...


Interesting on the surface, but definitely overpriced.

The “towerLE” at $1000 is a Pentium Dual-Core running @ 1.6GHz with only 1GB of DDR2 memory and only an 80GB drive. I would say that that is more than overpriced, it is a waste of money, almost a scam.

The hard drives by Glyph are actually just regular Seagate hard drives. Glyph puts them in an external enclosure that is supposed to essentially be acoustically inert. It silences an already quiet drive.

The ram… I’ve never heard of anything called “audio grade”.
As for AcoustiFeet and the Sweetwater-exclusive Sheetblok-Plus isolation stuff… Look closely, they are simply rubber feet and rubber bumpers/shims.

The Zalman CPU cooler is pretty much standard these days and a nice one will only set you back about $30.
 
Chuck what do you run for a PC? Can your bother take an order and build me one?

Dual Core (fairly high speed) QUIET MB FAN
2GB RAM
1- 250MB HD
1- 180MB HD
CDR-DVDR drive
quality made RELIABLE video card
at least 6 USB ports.
ETHERNET PORT
FIREWIRE CARD
WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL

No monitors. No other added programs, software etc. I will add my own
 
There's a little more to the sheetblock than that. The case is actually lined with Auralex Sheetblock. You could, of course, do this yourself...But a roll of the stuff isn't particularly cheap. It DOES make a huge difference, though.

I've heard good things about the Sweetwater PCs...Never a negative word. However, I've always thought that I could build the exact same thing for less.

For my PC, I found a local place that builds custom PCs...They did mostly gamer stuff, but had also done some professional video setups. I figured the requirements for gaming and video would be similar to audio, just with more focus on quiet components and soundcard, and less on video parts. It worked out well...Mine was about $1000 at the time, which was slightly more than a similarly spec'd Gateway or HP...But it's been SOLID as a rock.

Emmett
 
Jeff Laurence said:
Chuck what do you run for a PC? Can your bother take an order and build me one?

Dual Core (fairly high speed) QUIET MB FAN
2GB RAM
1- 250MB HD
1- 180MB HD
CDR-DVDR drive
quality made RELIABLE video card
at least 6 USB ports.
ETHERNET PORT
FIREWIRE CARD
WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL

No monitors. No other added programs, software etc. I will add my own

I could send him your list and inquire. He's never built something for anyone but family/friends, so I don't know how he'd feel about it. I'll ask.


My pc is an old Dell 4550, lol! Have had it since 2001. Surprised it's still working!


He's going to build me a Quad Core, expandable to 8GB Ram.


My budget is $1100 and I need it to run Prophet PS101 as well as be a workstation, so here's what he's suggesting for MY needs...

I have already have a monitor and a "Super Case" to hold all of the pc components

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128083 (Gigabyte - $165)

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115018 (Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz - $255)

Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121076 (ASUS 8600GT SILENT - $117)

CPU Cooler: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5...el_Socket_775_AMD_Socket_754_939_940_AM2.html (Zalman Super Quiet - $75)

Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590 (x2 – Corsair 2x1GB DDR2-800 -- $50)

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194005 (Enermax Noisetaker II 600W - $115)

HDD1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148231 (Seagate Barracuda – 80GB $44)

HDD2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148298 (Seagate Barracuda (32MB cache) – 750GB $195)

Total: Gigabyte Mobo: $1066

supports up to 8GB of ram, so should we go to a 64bit OS in the future, you can load it up.

multiple PCI Express and PCI slots, so regardless of which ASI card you go with, it’ll be fine.

I’ve checked with AudioScience and there are no known compatibility issues with either one.
I’ve also confirmed with their support department that they are working on a 64bit driver for their cards, which is what would keep you from going 64bit right away
 
Although you'll find that many people tend to rubbish them, I bought 2 Dells a couple of months ago for production and on-air duties. Look pretty basic, work like a charm. Dell Vostro 200.
 
Doh! Computers

Dell CAN make a decent computer. It just won't be one of the low-end Inspiron series. You have to go up to the Vostro, or (even better) Optiplex series.

One big problem with Dell is that they're very proprietary. They go out of their way to install power supplies, motherboards, and other components that use non-standard connectors - or (even worse) standard connectors with non-standard wiring configurations. Many Dells, for example, will allow you to plug in a standard power supply, but will blow up the PS and/or the motherboard when you turn it on. NOT NICE.

IF your computer is an integral part of your life, and you need to be able to repair or upgrade it at will, I suggest that you find a local computer place that's been in business for at least 5 years and spec out a system with an honest-to-goodness Intel motherboard and processor, appropriate RAM, and a Seagate hard drive. DON'T cheap out on the case and power supply. A few dollars buys a lot more quality.

The biggest reason that I recommend Seagate is that the company bought Maxtor, dumped all the low-end junk drives into the Maxtor brand, and put the GOOD drives into the Seagate line. Yes, Western Digital does make some very good drives. Western Digital also makes some very bad drives. Unless you want to spend a lot of time figuring out which is which, buy Seagate.
 
Thanks everyone. I've had a couple of my more computer-savvy friends tell me that the Sweetwater machines are a little pricey, especially for the specs. One recommended I check out www.alienware.com and look into ordering a customized pc from them... they're geared towards gamers and have a lot of high-performance options. I need to do a little more research, but I was able to customize a machine with a LOT more horsepower for significantly less than the Sweetwater options. Another point a friend made to me is to not skimp on the video card... as radio drifts more to its websites, the creative producers are going to need to be working in video too.
 
I have looked at the pricing of the Sweetwater machines and wondered if I would pay that and be happy that I did.

I have looked at the pricing of the machines sold by people who sell station automation software and wondered if I would pay that and be happy about it.

Let me tell you of the battle I am currently in, which gives me a new view of that price question.

I bought a new machine last year. 8 times as fast as the previous machine. TWO processors!!!!

I was busy so I installed it quickly and began using the built-in on-board sound card. Not bad. It even stepped up and said "I'll do 88.2 and 96 khz sampling if you like." SWEEEET!

Then I caught it misbehaving at 96 khz!. So I got out the tools and moved my Audiophile card over to the new machine. I had two sound cards in the old machine. Now I have two sound cards in the new machine. Then I asked the Audiophile to record at 96 khz. Oooooops! Sounds like a table saw going through a piece of fine oak. Mix in the whine of angry hornets. Now think of the Charlie Brown TV specials where the conversation comes out "Wha Whhha wah wa."

I have been living with the Customer Support department at the computer manufacturer and at M-Audio. They have been helpful, but the conversation quickly comes back to: "We don't support the combination you have."

I have always assumed that when you pay the big bucks to Sweetwater or the automation companies, you will then have access to support people who HAVE the ability to support the combination you are working with.... people who can tell you from experience what will work well and what will not.

We are in for some turbulent times in audio until the vendors all get on the same track.

Here is what I know today I did NOT know a couple of weeks ago.

The industry is moving from the PCI cards and slots to the PCI-Express cards and slots.

The sound card industry HAS NOT come to grips with PCI-e yet.

The new computers with PCI-e chipsets give priority to the device in the Express slot, and tell the devices plugged into the old fashioned PCI slots: "Just stand there on one foot for a moment, I will get back to you as time permits." Even if the PCI-e slot is empty, the processor apparently has to check and see if a guest has checked into that room and needs some priority service. Eats up some processor power. Leaves your sound card overflowing it's buffer is a possibility.

The sound card people have a real problem to deal with. The PCI-e slot is fast and has priority. So why not design a sound card to set in that position and everything will be great. Well, not so fast. Part of the plan is to move data in BIG BLOCKS so don't bother me with that constant little stream of data. Hold it up until you have a truck-load and then hand it off to me. Sound is very perishable data. Very time sensitive. It doesn't like to sit around and wait. I think I found ONE sound card on the market that claims to be PCI-e ready.

I'll let someone else try it first.

Next issue. Even though you are not buying or building a "Media Center Edition" machine using XP-MCE, was your motherboard manufactured to accomodate MCE for those who want to install it? If so, your motherboard may not talk to you professional sound card in the same language it was designed to understand.

And if your machine comes with XP Media Center Edition, expect the help desk at your sound card manufacturer to hang up on you!!!!

One message here talked about using a QUAD processor. Have you talked to anyone using a Quad processor with the sound card you plan to use? They may like each other, and they may not!

If you decide to build your own, or do as I did and buy a very low priced machine from a major vendor that looked like it had all the right components..... Would you rather be recording, or playing "test Pilot" When you pay the big-bucks to Sweetwater or someone like them, you are paying them to be your test pilot.

In my case, I enjoy playing test pilot and folding the parachutes now and then. And I have folded a lot of parachutes in the last two weeks!!!!! (I have almost memorized the trail to find RESTORE POINT in the XP menu system.)

I used to sell computers to the people who run 'mission critical' server centers. They paid about 10 times as much for memory as we pay for our machines. There is such a thing as memory that is designed and tested to work with greater reliability. There may be a grade of memory that is more appropriate for handling sound. To me memory is memory is memory. It works or it doesn't work. If I ran a studio where musicans flew in for a recording session and it would be very expensive to get them all back together again, I would insist on AUDIO GRADE MEMORY just in case.

This past week my wife and I sapped office/computer/workroom spaces. I had the custom built armoire that hit the wires and quieted the machine. Now I have my machine in the larger open space, sitting bare with no enclosure. I had no idea how noisy that thing is! If someone is going build a custom machine for youl, make sure he/she has the same definition of quiet that you do. If they work in one of those mission critical server rooms where every machine has a super-duper cooling fan, their idea of quiet may not be the same as it is for those of us who sit facing that super-duper mic in the room with the computer.
 
VODood said:
What is AUDIO GRADE MEMORY? Who makes it. Never heard of it.

Hmmm. Since audio requires a lot less memory, and handles a lot less data than video, high-end graphics, or a lot of other applications, I guess that "audio grade memory" would be low-end crap, right?
 
SirRoxalot said:
VODood said:
What is AUDIO GRADE MEMORY? Who makes it. Never heard of it.

Hmmm. Since audio requires a lot less memory, and handles a lot less data than video, high-end graphics, or a lot of other applications, I guess that "audio grade memory" would be low-end crap, right?


That's what I was thinking. I asked our CE here at work. He never heard of it either. Memory is memory.
 
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