Could somebody send me details on how to set my Symetrix 528's to make my RE 20's sound bleepin' HUGE? For free?
Knob by knob and button by button?
Knob by knob and button by button?
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Symetrix 528/RE 20
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> Could somebody send me details on how to set my Symetrix
> 528's to make my RE 20's sound bleepin' HUGE? For free?
>
> Knob by knob and button by button?
>
>
>
Hire a voice talent with brass ones. That's the easiest way.
Even the RE-20's vary slightly one to the other in sound and the cabling and signal path matters, too, so I don't know if anyone can do what you are asking.
Generally, to get a "big" sound, you want the gate threshhold set pretty low, you kick the compression in with a quick attack and a slow release time, have the symmetry setting kicked in, with perhaps the de-esser engaged, and EQ the crap out of it. The EQ is a parametric, so each setting is going to be different voice by voice and by how the mic is worked.
But if you really wants HUGE, the RE20 is the abolute wrong mic. You really want a Neumann or other condensor mic with some real lower range in the bandwidth. The movie trailer guys (who sound HUGE) start off with $2k+ Neumann condensors.
> 528's to make my RE 20's sound bleepin' HUGE? For free?
>
> Knob by knob and button by button?
>
>
>
Hire a voice talent with brass ones. That's the easiest way.
Even the RE-20's vary slightly one to the other in sound and the cabling and signal path matters, too, so I don't know if anyone can do what you are asking.
Generally, to get a "big" sound, you want the gate threshhold set pretty low, you kick the compression in with a quick attack and a slow release time, have the symmetry setting kicked in, with perhaps the de-esser engaged, and EQ the crap out of it. The EQ is a parametric, so each setting is going to be different voice by voice and by how the mic is worked.
But if you really wants HUGE, the RE20 is the abolute wrong mic. You really want a Neumann or other condensor mic with some real lower range in the bandwidth. The movie trailer guys (who sound HUGE) start off with $2k+ Neumann condensors.
> But if you really wants HUGE, the RE20 is the abolute wrong
> mic. You really want a Neumann or other condensor mic with
> some real lower range in the bandwidth. The movie trailer
> guys (who sound HUGE) start off with $2k+ Neumann
> condensors.
Cool...Thanks for your help. I'm stuck with the RE20's but maybe thought I could get more out of them if I cranked the Symetrix settings.
They're sounding pretty good right now, I just want to try other set-ups to hear what they sound like.
Thanks again!
> mic. You really want a Neumann or other condensor mic with
> some real lower range in the bandwidth. The movie trailer
> guys (who sound HUGE) start off with $2k+ Neumann
> condensors.
Cool...Thanks for your help. I'm stuck with the RE20's but maybe thought I could get more out of them if I cranked the Symetrix settings.
They're sounding pretty good right now, I just want to try other set-ups to hear what they sound like.
Thanks again!
> Cool...Thanks for your help. I'm stuck with the RE20's but
> maybe thought I could get more out of them if I cranked the
> Symetrix settings.
>
> They're sounding pretty good right now, I just want to try
> other set-ups to hear what they sound like.
If you get a chance and can come across an old valley 400 processor, try it. They are no longer made, but I luckily come across one on ebay. We run a valley 400 with the RE20 and it sounds great. We also run one with the Sennheiser MD421 II and it sounds even better. I agree with the last post about the settings to get what you are looking for out of the 528. Persoanlly I think the 528 is a bad reference to the symetrix company. But it all goes to how much money you can spend on mics and processing.
> maybe thought I could get more out of them if I cranked the
> Symetrix settings.
>
> They're sounding pretty good right now, I just want to try
> other set-ups to hear what they sound like.
If you get a chance and can come across an old valley 400 processor, try it. They are no longer made, but I luckily come across one on ebay. We run a valley 400 with the RE20 and it sounds great. We also run one with the Sennheiser MD421 II and it sounds even better. I agree with the last post about the settings to get what you are looking for out of the 528. Persoanlly I think the 528 is a bad reference to the symetrix company. But it all goes to how much money you can spend on mics and processing.
R
RadioDoc
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> > But if you really wants HUGE, the RE20 is the abolute
> wrong
> > mic. You really want a Neumann or other condensor mic with
>
> > some real lower range in the bandwidth. The movie trailer
> > guys (who sound HUGE) start off with $2k+ Neumann
> > condensors.
>
> Cool...Thanks for your help. I'm stuck with the RE20's but
> maybe thought I could get more out of them if I cranked the
> Symetrix settings.
>
> They're sounding pretty good right now, I just want to try
> other set-ups to hear what they sound like.
>
> Thanks again!
>
If you're really interested, drop me a line. I use them at my stations, and they sound good.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> wrong
> > mic. You really want a Neumann or other condensor mic with
>
> > some real lower range in the bandwidth. The movie trailer
> > guys (who sound HUGE) start off with $2k+ Neumann
> > condensors.
>
> Cool...Thanks for your help. I'm stuck with the RE20's but
> maybe thought I could get more out of them if I cranked the
> Symetrix settings.
>
> They're sounding pretty good right now, I just want to try
> other set-ups to hear what they sound like.
>
> Thanks again!
>
If you're really interested, drop me a line. I use them at my stations, and they sound good.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> > Cool...Thanks for your help. I'm stuck with the RE20's but
>
> > maybe thought I could get more out of them if I cranked
> the
> > Symetrix settings.
> >
> > They're sounding pretty good right now, I just want to try
>
> > other set-ups to hear what they sound like.
>
> If you get a chance and can come across an old valley 400
> processor, try it. They are no longer made, but I luckily
> come across one on ebay. We run a valley 400 with the RE20
> and it sounds great. We also run one with the Sennheiser
> MD421 II and it sounds even better. I agree with the last
> post about the settings to get what you are looking for out
> of the 528. Persoanlly I think the 528 is a bad reference
> to the symetrix company. But it all goes to how much money
> you can spend on mics and processing.
>
The Valley's are really great with the 421's. The 421's are good mics, especially when used without the big foam pop filters... but the talent has to learn how to work them properly.
>
> > maybe thought I could get more out of them if I cranked
> the
> > Symetrix settings.
> >
> > They're sounding pretty good right now, I just want to try
>
> > other set-ups to hear what they sound like.
>
> If you get a chance and can come across an old valley 400
> processor, try it. They are no longer made, but I luckily
> come across one on ebay. We run a valley 400 with the RE20
> and it sounds great. We also run one with the Sennheiser
> MD421 II and it sounds even better. I agree with the last
> post about the settings to get what you are looking for out
> of the 528. Persoanlly I think the 528 is a bad reference
> to the symetrix company. But it all goes to how much money
> you can spend on mics and processing.
>
The Valley's are really great with the 421's. The 421's are good mics, especially when used without the big foam pop filters... but the talent has to learn how to work them properly.
L
Les
Guest
> If you get a chance and can come across an old valley 400
> processor, try it. They are no longer made, but I luckily
> come across one on ebay. We run a valley 400 with the RE20
> and it sounds great. We also run one with the Sennheiser
> MD421 II and it sounds even better.
If you ever get your hands on one, try a Sennheiser MD-441 U.
Very odd looking and it takes a little work with the built-in
variables to tailor it to a particular voice. Once set up,
though, it can grow brass on an acne'd adolescent.
And that's with NO external processing. Not outrageously
expensive either. I have one that travels with me.
<P ID="signature">______________
I once took something seriously.
And was accused of shoplifting.</P>
> processor, try it. They are no longer made, but I luckily
> come across one on ebay. We run a valley 400 with the RE20
> and it sounds great. We also run one with the Sennheiser
> MD421 II and it sounds even better.
If you ever get your hands on one, try a Sennheiser MD-441 U.
Very odd looking and it takes a little work with the built-in
variables to tailor it to a particular voice. Once set up,
though, it can grow brass on an acne'd adolescent.
And that's with NO external processing. Not outrageously
expensive either. I have one that travels with me.
<P ID="signature">______________
I once took something seriously.
And was accused of shoplifting.</P>
The Sennheiser MD-441 is a great mic. I first saw one years ago when I worked with Steely Dan at the Palace Theater in Waterbury, Ct. They were using them for vocal mics so I got one and tried it at the AM station I was working at at the time, in place of a MD-421. It had much deeper bass and a much warmer sound thatn the 421 and sounded great, but they had the disadvantage of having a very tight pattern at at the time were close to twice the price of a 421. If the talent moves more than a few inches away from the front of the mic the sound changes dramatically. But we shouldn't blame the mic for bad mic technique should we?
I have a number of college and religious stations (ie stations with low budgets) using Shure SM-58 mics with and without mic processing and they sound great for the money. People laugh when they hear this, but stop laughing when they hear what it sounds like. Something to keep in mind for those stations on limited budgets.
I too like the Valley 400 processors but the pots tend to get dirty on the older units and can develop dead spots which show up at the worst possible times.
> > If you get a chance and can come across an old valley 400
> > processor, try it. They are no longer made, but I luckily
> > come across one on ebay. We run a valley 400 with the
> RE20
> > and it sounds great. We also run one with the Sennheiser
> > MD421 II and it sounds even better.
>
> If you ever get your hands on one, try a Sennheiser MD-441
> U.
> Very odd looking and it takes a little work with the
> built-in
> variables to tailor it to a particular voice. Once set up,
> though, it can grow brass on an acne'd adolescent.
>
> And that's with NO external processing. Not outrageously
> expensive either. I have one that travels with me.
>
I have a number of college and religious stations (ie stations with low budgets) using Shure SM-58 mics with and without mic processing and they sound great for the money. People laugh when they hear this, but stop laughing when they hear what it sounds like. Something to keep in mind for those stations on limited budgets.
I too like the Valley 400 processors but the pots tend to get dirty on the older units and can develop dead spots which show up at the worst possible times.
> > If you get a chance and can come across an old valley 400
> > processor, try it. They are no longer made, but I luckily
> > come across one on ebay. We run a valley 400 with the
> RE20
> > and it sounds great. We also run one with the Sennheiser
> > MD421 II and it sounds even better.
>
> If you ever get your hands on one, try a Sennheiser MD-441
> U.
> Very odd looking and it takes a little work with the
> built-in
> variables to tailor it to a particular voice. Once set up,
> though, it can grow brass on an acne'd adolescent.
>
> And that's with NO external processing. Not outrageously
> expensive either. I have one that travels with me.
>
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