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Dear board participants,

I just want to make it clear that I have called for the permanent closure of the Boston board. Despite warnings, bannings, polite requests for civility here, nothing works.

The Boston Radio Board has become a magnet for the snipers, whiners and complainers of radio, and all semblence of professionality has gone out the window.

Between the constant bashing of WRKO's hosts, to slamming of certain other talk show hosts, to the continual barrage of disrupting threads from and directed towards a particular cable tv host, I can no longer support or moderate this forum in it's present form. Therefore, I have recommended to R-I ownership that this board be permanently closed. Bluntly, I've never seen such childish behavior from alleged professionals in my entire career.

A word of advice to those of you to whom this applies - drop your freakin ego trip! This is radio in 2006, none of you are that dammed important, and none of you are an OUNCE better than the talk hosts whom you slam! This is proven in the constant drivel we are forced to read on a daily basis. I really hope you guys figure out that people who make hiring and firing decisions read the nonsense on this board and trust me, many take a dim view of how some of their jocks behave. And, some of you just want to get into radio, think you know radio and don't, and don't have a clue that your attitude won't get you into this industry.

Grow up people. Sorry I have to go this route but you've all left me with no choice. If this forum remains open, it is only because ownership thinks it's worth saving. Lets see if you prove me wrong.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Dear board participants,
>
> I just want to make it clear that I have called for the
> permanent closure of the Boston board. Despite warnings,
> bannings, polite requests for civility here, nothing works.
>
>
> The Boston Radio Board has become a magnet for the snipers,
> whiners and complainers of radio, and all semblence of
> professionality has gone out the window.
>
> Between the constant bashing of WRKO's hosts, to slamming of
> certain other talk show hosts, to the continual barrage of
> disrupting threads from and directed towards a particular
> cable tv host, I can no longer support or moderate this
> forum in it's present form. Therefore, I have recommended
> to R-I ownership that this board be permanently closed.
> Bluntly, I've never seen such childish behavior from alleged
> professionals in my entire career.
>
> A word of advice to those of you to whom this applies - drop
> your freakin ego trip! This is radio in 2006, none of you
> are that dammed important, and none of you are an OUNCE
> better than the talk hosts whom you slam! This is proven in
> the constant drivel we are forced to read on a daily basis.
> I really hope you guys figure out that people who make
> hiring and firing decisions read the nonsense on this board
> and trust me, many take a dim view of how some of their
> jocks behave. And, some of you just want to get into radio,
> think you know radio and don't, and don't have a clue that
> your attitude won't get you into this industry.
>
> Grow up people. Sorry I have to go this route but you've
> all left me with no choice. If this forum remains open, it
> is only because ownership thinks it's worth saving. Lets
> see if you prove me wrong.
>
Well said and a long time overdue....but rather than silence those of us who use this platform for which it is designed, just ban those who don't.
 
All,

While I don't want to see this forum closed, I have to agree with Steve. There are too many whiners, snipers & flamers on this board. We're supposed to be adults, yet a few choose to act like children. Frankly, this board is the laughingstock of Radio-Info.com because of the actions of certain users. If the board is closed, you have noone to blame but yourselves (those of you who continually break the rules). To those who abide by the rules, my advance apologies if Lance & Sam decide to remove this forum.

Randy
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AIM - bostonrandy

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> Well said and a long time overdue....but rather than silence
> those of us who use this platform for which it is designed,
> just ban those who don't.
>

We've tried that. It doesn't work, and frankly if you guys really need to post, you can go to the talk radio board, or the National board, or one of our other forums. This is beyond fixing and we mods don't have the time to police this 24/7.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Dear board participants,
> >
> > I just want to make it clear that I have called for the
> > permanent closure of the Boston board. Despite warnings,
> > bannings, polite requests for civility here, nothing
> works.
> >
> >
> > The Boston Radio Board has become a magnet for the
> snipers,
> > whiners and complainers of radio, and all semblence of
> > professionality has gone out the window.
> >
> > Between the constant bashing of WRKO's hosts, to slamming
> of
> > certain other talk show hosts, to the continual barrage of
>
> > disrupting threads from and directed towards a particular
> > cable tv host, I can no longer support or moderate this
> > forum in it's present form. Therefore, I have recommended
>
> > to R-I ownership that this board be permanently closed.
> > Bluntly, I've never seen such childish behavior from
> alleged
> > professionals in my entire career.
> >
> > A word of advice to those of you to whom this applies -
> drop
> > your freakin ego trip! This is radio in 2006, none of you
>
> > are that dammed important, and none of you are an OUNCE
> > better than the talk hosts whom you slam! This is proven
> in
> > the constant drivel we are forced to read on a daily
> basis.
> > I really hope you guys figure out that people who make
> > hiring and firing decisions read the nonsense on this
> board
> > and trust me, many take a dim view of how some of their
> > jocks behave. And, some of you just want to get into
> radio,
> > think you know radio and don't, and don't have a clue that
>
> > your attitude won't get you into this industry.
> >
> > Grow up people. Sorry I have to go this route but you've
> > all left me with no choice. If this forum remains open,
> it
> > is only because ownership thinks it's worth saving. Lets
> > see if you prove me wrong.
> >
> Well said and a long time overdue....but rather than silence
> those of us who use this platform for which it is designed,
> just ban those who don't.
>
I agree and Steve instead of the periodic angry outburst remember we are not the ones who moderate the board so we're not in the position to allow certain threads to go on as long as some have without being checked as you have. You have stated ON THIS BOARD that a certain person has been banned from the board yet keeps coming back with the same screen name as well as a host of others. That is all on the moderator so if you think the soloution is to shut the whole board down because you cant control one individual who you've you have supposedly banned.......
 
> All,
>
> While I don't want to see this forum closed, I have to agree
> with Steve. There are too many whiners, snipers & flamers on
> this board. We're supposed to be adults, yet a few choose to
> act like children. Frankly, this board is the laughingstock
> of Radio-Info.com because of the actions of certain users.
> If the board is closed, you have noone to blame but
> yourselves (those of you who continually break the rules).
> To those who abide by the rules, my advance apologies if
> Lance & Sam decide to remove this forum.
>
> Randy
>
sorry, the news-talk board's 100x worse and nobody seems to care, this frustration's misplaced..
 
> > All,
> >
> > While I don't want to see this forum closed, I have to
> agree
> > with Steve. There are too many whiners, snipers & flamers
> on
> > this board. We're supposed to be adults, yet a few choose
> to
> > act like children. Frankly, this board is the
> laughingstock
> > of Radio-Info.com because of the actions of certain users.
>
> > If the board is closed, you have noone to blame but
> > yourselves (those of you who continually break the rules).
>
> > To those who abide by the rules, my advance apologies if
> > Lance & Sam decide to remove this forum.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> sorry, the news-talk board's 100x worse and nobody seems to
> care, this frustration's misplaced..
>


And so is the Syracuse board
 
> Dear board participants,
>
> I just want to make it clear that I have called for the
> permanent closure of the Boston board. Despite warnings,
> bannings, polite requests for civility here, nothing works.
>
>
> The Boston Radio Board has become a magnet for the snipers,
> whiners and complainers of radio, and all semblence of
> professionality has gone out the window.
>
> Between the constant bashing of WRKO's hosts, to slamming of
> certain other talk show hosts, to the continual barrage of
> disrupting threads from and directed towards a particular
> cable tv host, I can no longer support or moderate this
> forum in it's present form. Therefore, I have recommended
> to R-I ownership that this board be permanently closed.
> Bluntly, I've never seen such childish behavior from alleged
> professionals in my entire career.
>
> A word of advice to those of you to whom this applies - drop
> your freakin ego trip! This is radio in 2006, none of you
> are that dammed important, and none of you are an OUNCE
> better than the talk hosts whom you slam! This is proven in
> the constant drivel we are forced to read on a daily basis.
> I really hope you guys figure out that people who make
> hiring and firing decisions read the nonsense on this board
> and trust me, many take a dim view of how some of their
> jocks behave. And, some of you just want to get into radio,
> think you know radio and don't, and don't have a clue that
> your attitude won't get you into this industry.
>
> Grow up people. Sorry I have to go this route but you've
> all left me with no choice. If this forum remains open, it
> is only because ownership thinks it's worth saving. Lets
> see if you prove me wrong.
>

You're completely off base directing this rage at a group of people when you know it's two people who cause all the problems and you people cannot or will not ban them from the forum. They throw bombs and you expect nobody to reply. Erase their bombs, erase them and you won't have problems.
 
> > Well said and a long time overdue....but rather than
> silence
> > those of us who use this platform for which it is
> designed,
> > just ban those who don't.
> >
>
> We've tried that. It doesn't work, and frankly if you guys
> really need to post, you can go to the talk radio board, or
> the National board, or one of our other forums. This is
> beyond fixing and we mods don't have the time to police this
> 24/7.
>
Then what does a mod do? isnt that the job in essence?.Im not trying to be flip but if you say that you cant do what's basically your job then where does that leave any of us?. One poster is embroiled in every thread that has been erased. You know it so deal with it. I also let you know through the "report theis post to a moderator" link about a few of the last couple of problem threads that were getting out of hand and while I agree you cant police the baord 24/7 you should be able to police specific threads that are brought to your attention through the "report this post to moderator" link otherwise what other recourse do we have?.
 
I do feel for you Steve along with the other moderators, but it isn't really the jocks causing this. Any air personalities who have gotten embroiled in battles were defending themselves rather than starting it themselves.

As others said, it's 2 people who keep re-registering over and over. Neither is a radio person. Neither is an outsider who is a radio fan that behaves.

Do what you have to do but I wish there were another way. This is kind to 2 children breaking everybody else's toys.
 
Please save this board, please (pardon idiom/cliche, but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater!)

As an occasional participant on this board (and, I'd hope, generally not one of the guilty parties -- hopefully, I'm not one of "the snipers, whiners and complainers of radio"), I would hope that this board can and will be saved.

Offhand, I'd prefer to see any "bad apples" "weeded out." (Pardon idioms or cliches -- to use another one, though, "Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater!)

Boston is a major market. Boston radio is big time. And, despite the occasional temptation to carp and quibble (I myself have already stated my general preference for Sirius satellite radio, which stands), let's face it: Boston radio is still pretty darn good -- certainly, it would seem to be one of the better radio markets in this country.

We do not need flame wars or gratuitous smear campaigns.

But we do, IMHO, need a forum to discuss Boston radio.

This begs the question, if the Boston board goes, which forum will take up the slack?
 
Dear Moderators/Radio Info

Steve,

First of all, I want to apologize for my part in whatever stress this is causing you. As has been well-documented, I have quite a bit of free time these days. I have taken shots at a certain individual and no matter what my reasoning, it has contributed to the headache that is this forum. My intent is never to cause any moderator any problem. More often than not, I'm hoping people will laugh. And occasionally, we actually do discuss real radio issues.

That having been said.

Please take a look back at the threads that have exploded into personal flame wars and see if you can't find a common accelerant.

I know for fact people can be banned from this board, having been subject to a "time out" a while back. I also know that certain posters, and I'm not going to single anyone out, but certain posters not only re-sub under different screen names, but remain under names that moderators are well aware are owned by people who've been banned.

In the past, you've mentioned that posters would be banned, and yet they continue to appear. Why is this the fault of the entire community?

We do exchange fun, and relevant posts on several topics. Not every poster is here to slag another. There are several threads here, I've never even looked at because it's not of interest to me. I guess I just don't understand why the whole have to be punished for the actions of the few.

And it's not a problem unique to this board either. This is a microcosm of the entire internet, and it gives everyone a voice, regardless of whether you like it, or not.

I have always identified myself, and have no problem with an official registration policy that requires a verifiable e-mail address. If that's a potential solution to this problem, I'd welcome it. If this forum goes away, the problem won't. It will appear on another board, and lob grenades until you shut that one down too. It will not cease until the entire Radio-Info board is tired of dealing with it, and shuts down. The problem is with individuals and not the whole.

But, be warned. Ban certain individuals, and you will hear lots of "legal action" threats. Regardless of their legitimacy, some people think that if you attempt to police, you're discriminating.

In closing, thanks for reading. Once again, I apologize for my part in your migraine today.

I hope this forum remains. Boston radio's a lot of fun to discuss. Many boards would kill for this amount of activity.

Paul
 
> I do feel for you Steve along with the other moderators, but
> it isn't really the jocks causing this. Any air
> personalities who have gotten embroiled in battles were
> defending themselves rather than starting it themselves.
>

I'll agree with you about them not being jocks. Bad generalization on my part. Radio folks nonetheless.

> As others said, it's 2 people who keep re-registering over
> and over. Neither is a radio person. Neither is an outsider
> who is a radio fan that behaves.

Its more than two people. And thus far they are either in radio, were in radio or in the media in some form.
>
> Do what you have to do but I wish there were another way.
> This is kind to 2 children breaking everybody else's toys.

Well, just like in real life, ya can't spank the kids or DSS will throw you in jail. So they get to walk all over you. What's the modern day solution? Don't discipline the kids, close the daycare... that way everybody gets hurt equally.

(Just kidding about the hurting equally - I'm in a grumpy-azz mood)

If I had my way, I'd have a system where we had usernames that everyone knew and a rock solid system of keeping unregistered people out if certain information matched. Unfortunately even the best computer systems & software can be beaten by someone who really WANTS to post in a forum such as ours. Plus, we always kept the real users names and their aliases separate so that nobody would fear reprisals from angry PDs and higher ups who'd read their employee's comments. But this has all been highly abused and some of you have taken the opportunity of annonymity to take pot shots at others. More than a few people have.

So... that said, YOU GUYS come up with a solution. Maybe a polcing council. Hey, there's an idea...<P ID="signature">______________
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NOTICE TAKEN!!

Nothing beats the jerk from texas who called me at like 2am because of a post. Apparently his job was at stake. Hope the guy not only got canned but also evicted, bankrupted, struck by lightning, hit by a bus and sputnik falls on him.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Please save this board

> Boston is a major market. Boston radio is big time. And,
> despite the occasional temptation to carp and quibble (I
> myself have already stated my general preference for Sirius
> satellite radio, which stands), let's face it: Boston radio
> is still pretty darn good -- certainly, it would seem to be
> one of the better radio markets in this country.

Well, I share your concern about the board and your comments about Boston radio. I always thought that this market sounded much better than even New York City as far as radio markets went. Biased perhaps since I live here. Still, your comments are admirable. I'm getting flooded with emails asking to save the board...

>
> We do not need flame wars or gratuitous smear campaigns.
>
> But we do, IMHO, need a forum to discuss Boston radio.
>
> This begs the question, if the Boston board goes, which
> forum will take up the slack?
>

Lets not discuss any different forums. Let's concentrate on this problem. You want the board saved? Maybe I need to bend the rules and let you guys shout down the offenders.... No, that would cause a war. But... as I just thought of, what if we had the equivalent of in radio what's known as a 'listener advisory panel'? A group of people who did nothing but watch the board and reprimand, unofficially, not as moderators, but as fellow participants, the bad behavior of others?

Do you on anyone else think such an idea might work? How would they enforce admonitions outside of emailing me, Lance or Sam? Or, do you have a better idea?

I'm open to suggestion.<P ID="signature">______________
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I feel your pain, I've moderated a few mailing lists and forums, and it's all the same drama over and over. This place is far from anarchy, you guys do a decent job moderating it, but apparently you don't feel you have the time to deal with what happens on lots of boards every day.

I've read a few of the other boards on this site, most are pretty civil, plenty are riddled with locked and deleted posts, so making out like this board is the only trouble spot is a bit of an exaggeration. This entire site is about three miles higher than the level of just about every forum on the internet, though, so maybe a bit of perspective maybe is in order? This is how lots of people act when they can unlock their brains without any consequences of any sort, it's only human.

If a little constructive criticism would help, your registration and moderation process need an overhaul if you folks really want to eliminate anything but civil professional radio conversations (although frankly I think most would find that quite uninteresting). Blocking out Yahoo and hotmail addresses isn't the answer to keep out trolls...any ISP that costs $20/month will give you 10 or 25 e-mail addresses right off the bat. How about moderator-approved new memberships? Moderator-approved posting by new members, to be removed once you don't cause trouble for 30 days or so? I don't know what your IP info services are like on this board, but a little detective work is sometimes necessary.

HTH
 
Re: Dear Moderators/Radio Info

> In the past, you've mentioned that posters would be banned,
> and yet they continue to appear. Why is this the fault of
> the entire community?

At great personal (or,... professional) risk I'm going to go ahead and tell you that we moderators don't have the acutal authority to ban. We get to suggest and recommend that but it's handled at a different level. So,... not to pass the buck, but 'taint my fault.

The entire community is not to blame. And perhaps some of the blame does heap on our heads. We say nobody can fight, argue, throw bad apples, etc... and so when trouble starts, all those who behave won't say a word to the offenders out of fear that they will be hit with a banning for offending. It's kinda like the anti-gun nuts. They don't realize that once all the law abiding citizens give up their weapons only the criminals will still have them.

>
> We do exchange fun, and relevant posts on several topics.
> Not every poster is here to slag another. There are several
> threads here, I've never even looked at because it's not of
> interest to me. I guess I just don't understand why the
> whole have to be punished for the actions of the few.
>
You're right Paul, you guys do post some good material. Unfortunately this past 6 months or so, in spite of all our calls for civility, about 50 percent of the posts turn into bloody battles, anti-Severin rants, Howie Carr taunts and a constant flame war between the various screen names of Nick and Vig. I'm sick of it and I know you guys are too.


> And it's not a problem unique to this board either. This is
> a microcosm of the entire internet, and it gives everyone a
> voice, regardless of whether you like it, or not.

Just goes to prove, humans are not kind beings at all.
>
> I have always identified myself, and have no problem with an
> official registration policy that requires a verifiable
> e-mail address. If that's a potential solution to this
> problem, I'd welcome it. If this forum goes away, the
> problem won't. It will appear on another board, and lob
> grenades until you shut that one down too. It will not cease
> until the entire Radio-Info board is tired of dealing with
> it, and shuts down. The problem is with individuals and not
> the whole.

Hold that thought...
>
> But, be warned. Ban certain individuals, and you will hear
> lots of "legal action" threats. Regardless of their
> legitimacy, some people think that if you attempt to police,
> you're discriminating.

Wouldn't be the first time. Bring em on!
>
> In closing, thanks for reading. Once again, I apologize for
> my part in your migraine today.

I had a migraine last night. Feel fine today.

>
> I hope this forum remains. Boston radio's a lot of fun to
> discuss. Many boards would kill for this amount of activity.
>
You got that right.<P ID="signature">______________
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All good ideas which we're looking at for the future. Those and more.


> If a little constructive criticism would help, your
> registration and moderation process need an overhaul if you
> folks really want to eliminate anything but civil
> professional radio conversations (although frankly I think
> most would find that quite uninteresting). Blocking out
> Yahoo and hotmail addresses isn't the answer to keep out
> trolls...any ISP that costs $20/month will give you 10 or 25
> e-mail addresses right off the bat. How about
> moderator-approved new memberships? Moderator-approved
> posting by new members, to be removed once you don't cause
> trouble for 30 days or so? I don't know what your IP info
> services are like on this board, but a little detective work
> is sometimes necessary.
>
> HTH
>
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Re: blocking Yahoo! and Hotmail addresses

Similarly, blocking out Yahoo! and Hotmail addresses also filters out good people who might, for whatever reason(s), not otherwise be able to participate on the board.

Radio-Info.com in general needs another solution, where the issues surrounding that are concerned.

(snip)

> > Blocking out
> > Yahoo and hotmail addresses isn't the answer to keep out
> > trolls...any ISP that costs $20/month will give you 10 or
> 25
> > e-mail addresses right off the bat. How about
> > moderator-approved new memberships? Moderator-approved ...

(snip)
 
Re: Dear Moderators/Radio Info

> At great personal (or,... professional) risk I'm going to go
> ahead and tell you that we moderators don't have the acutal
> authority to ban. We get to suggest and recommend that but
> it's handled at a different level. So,... not to pass the
> buck, but 'taint my fault.

SOMEONE locked me out a few months back. For far less instigation than certain other individuals contstantly present. So, I know it can be done. I'm not going to pass blame, but there is a solution. I just don't know what it is.

> The entire community is not to blame. And perhaps some of
> the blame does heap on our heads. We say nobody can fight,
> argue, throw bad apples, etc... and so when trouble starts,
> all those who behave won't say a word to the offenders out
> of fear that they will be hit with a banning for offending.
> It's kinda like the anti-gun nuts. They don't realize that
> once all the law abiding citizens give up their weapons only
> the criminals will still have them.

This is an interesting topic for discussion. Perhaps if the board is saved, I'll drop a premise out there, and hopefully we'll all have fun with it.

> you guys do post some good material.
> Unfortunately this past 6 months or so, in spite of all our
> calls for civility, about 50 percent of the posts turn into
> bloody battles, anti-Severin rants, Howie Carr taunts and a
> constant flame war between the various screen names of Nick
> and Vig. I'm sick of it and I know you guys are too.

I think we'd all like a little more civility. But, it appears this society mirrors the aggression of the real world. I do believe there exists legitimate tone-of-text for criticism. I just don't know how easy that is to recognize for some people.

PS..."Barry Champlain" taught us all what can happen if we believe the hype, and let it get to us. It's just a message board...until someone really gets hurt. Thanks for trying.
 
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