Taking a big chunk of AAR's small audience

[nwebster]

Deal with it kiddies. I'm baaaaaack.

I know you all missed me because you kept imagining that others were really I.

Now, to start things off again, the historic fractiousness and fragmentation of the American left comes to talk radio. Looks like the femi-nazis don't want to play with the boys at AAR, so they are starting their own network. But they are still working from the AAR playbook: Get rich activists to put up the money and hire people completely without radio experience.

All Access:
<blockquote>Greenstone Women's Talk Network Gets Celebrity Funding

GREENSTONE MEDIA says that it has received financing from several celebrity women to launch its women's talk radio network, reports the WASHINGTON BUSINESS JOURNAL. The $3.1 million in venture capital comes from investors like JANE FONDA, ROSIE O'DONNELL, GLORIA STEINEM, BILLIE JEAN KING, LOS ANGELES DODGERS President JAMIE MCCOURT, TV producer MARTA KAUFFMAN, and ANNENBERG FOUNDATION VP WALLIS ANNENBERG.

The network has no affiliates lined up but has announced three shows, a morning show wth stand-up comics MAUREEN LANGAN and CORY KAHANEY ("LAST COMIC STANDING" and author NELSIE SPENCER ("THE PLAYGROUP"), a 9a-Noon show with "OFFICIAL PREPPY HANDBOOK" cerator LISA BIRNBACH, and an afternoon show with actress MO GAFFNEY (her on-stage partner KATHY NAJIMY was originally announced as MO's co-host but has backed down to guest status). </blockquote>
The big question is how big a chunk will this network take out of Air America Radio's already small slice of the radio audience pie?

One of the big donors is Wallis Annenberg, daughter of Walter Annenberg, one of the great nazis of the America media, and a financial and journalistic supporter of Joseph McCarthy and Richard Nixon. Daddy would be rolling over to see what young Wallie is doing with his money. Media Baron Annenberg's newspapers and radio and TV stations were strong supporters of Nixon and McCarty in their use of tactics which are very familiar to some on this board. Annenberg also shaped the news - or simply ignored it - to fit his editorial policies. Too bad Orson Welles never made a movie based on Annenberg. Anyone who ever worked for him should be eternally ashamed (and I know some do read this board - you know who you are).

 

[JohnnyMorganWXJX]

> The network has no affiliates lined up but has announced
> three shows, a morning show wth stand-up comics MAUREEN
> LANGAN and CORY KAHANEY ("LAST COMIC STANDING" and author
> NELSIE SPENCER ("THE PLAYGROUP"), a 9a-Noon show with
> "OFFICIAL PREPPY HANDBOOK" cerator LISA BIRNBACH, and an
> afternoon show with actress MO GAFFNEY (her on-stage partner
> KATHY NAJIMY was originally announced as MO's co-host but
> has backed down to guest status).
> The big question is how big a chunk will this network take
> out of Air America Radio's already small slice of the radio
> audience pie?

None.

That format sounds absolutely....BOOOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGGGG!!!!!

 

[ajhenderson]

While I have agreed with you on some of your more factual assertions regarding AAR, I think you're wrong on this one. Sure, women's talk will never get very far, but it's not a "femi-nazi" network as much as sports talk seeks to put women in ovens. However most FM stations are, at this point, doing well enough to not want to flip to an untested non-music format. Really, the only FM to have even some success with this is WFMP/Minneapolis, weekday home of C2C weekend host Ian Punnett.

Other than non-radio hosts filling the schedules, I don't see the similarity between AAR and female talk. Not in audience and not in funding source... who other than affluent people would you expect to fund a multi-million dollar venture? Did you expect them to deploy random people to sit on street corners with empty Del Monte fruit cans like the folks at Save Air America Phoenix?

 

[dampier]

Different Handle, Same Tired Rhetoric

> Deal with it kiddies. I'm baaaaaack.

Yawn... we don't even know if it's the original mwebster or someone pretending the be the reincarnation of "I'm With Talking Points."

> Now, to start things off again, the historic fractiousness
> and fragmentation of the American left comes to talk radio.
> Looks like the femi-nazis don't want to play with the boys
> at AAR, so they are starting their own network. But they
> are still working from the AAR playbook: Get rich activists
> to put up the money and hire people completely without radio
> experience.

Feminazis? How original. So now a group of people not associated with Air America starts a radio network and this is an indication of "fractiousness?" Clown logic. So when Sean Hannity decides to launch a talk show and not do it via Rush's distributor that is "fractiousness" too?

This is Logic Nutrasweet - empty of all calories and nutritional value, like most of what you have to say about Air America.

> The big question is how big a chunk will this network take
> out of Air America Radio's already small slice of the radio
> audience pie?

That's hardly a "big question." Ask Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly how small of a slice Air America has taken out of their radio audience pie.

> Anyone who ever worked for him should
> be eternally ashamed (and I know some do read this board -
> you know who you are).

Yeah, I'm sure they are up nights worrying about what you have to say about it.

It's more of the same... different handle, same tired nonsense.

 

[ajhenderson]

Re: Different Handle, Same Tired Rhetoric

> It's more of the same... different handle, same tired
> nonsense.

Same for you; another post spent totally rebutting Mr. Webster's points with no evidence to show how spectacularly well AAR is doing, as you insinuate.

 

[nwebster]

You are correct, sir. There's is not much good real estate available in either the FM or AM bands (a big part of AAR's problem). Given the people backing this enterprise (Billie Jean King, Jane Fonda, Gloria Steinem and Rosie O'Donnell), it looks like it will include a health dose of liberal politics - plus some Satellite Sisters/Oprah/The View type material. I have not seen specific audience demos for AAR but given their on-air content, I suspect they are much stronger with guys than with women. Even Randi talks about beating Hannity among 25 to 54 year old MEN. If both AAR and this new network were on the air in a given market, I suspect the new women's network would take some female listeners from AAR but pick up even more that AAR is not reaching. The problem is both networks will be competing for stations even more than for ears.

As you point out, nobody has done much with a female-centric talk format. The Satellite Sisters has been a weekend show until recently and the fact that ABC had to buy clearance on WLIB when they own three stations in the market says something. But so far, except for a few markets, we have not seen a ground-swell of interest in progressive talk radio. Now we have AAR, Jones, Radio One and this Greenstone Media all going after liberals or Black liberals or female liberals.

 

[nwebster]

Re: Same Tired Rhetoric

>
> It's more of the same... different handle, same tired
> nonsense.
>

This is like grade school, where the dummies resent the smart kids and keep coming back with taunts which only show the dummies don't really understand what the smart kids are talking about.

Come up with something half-way intelligent that's relevant to what I posted and I'll get back to you.

 

[ajhenderson]

> You are correct, sir. There's is not much good real estate
> available in either the FM or AM bands (a big part of AAR's
> problem). Given the people backing this enterprise (Billie
> Jean King, Jane Fonda, Gloria Steinem and Rosie O'Donnell),
> it looks like it will include a health dose of liberal
> politics - plus some Satellite Sisters/Oprah/The View type
> material. I have not seen specific audience demos for AAR
> but given their on-air content, I suspect they are much
> stronger with guys than with women. Even Randi talks about
> beating Hannity among 25 to 54 year old MEN. If both AAR
> and this new network were on the air in a given market, I
> suspect the new women's network would take some female
> listeners from AAR but pick up even more that AAR is not
> reaching. The problem is both networks will be competing
> for stations even more than for ears.

The women that typically listen to talk radio are older than advertisers will buy. Just like none of the women working the polls on election day are under 88, women tend to listen to AC and similar music formats and leave the talk to TV.

> As you point out, nobody has done much with a female-centric
> talk format. The Satellite Sisters has been a weekend show
> until recently and the fact that ABC had to buy clearance on
> WLIB when they own three stations in the market says
> something. But so far, except for a few markets, we have
> not seen a ground-swell of interest in progressive talk
> radio. Now we have AAR, Jones, Radio One and this
> Greenstone Media all going after liberals or Black liberals
> or female liberals.

Well, Jones is going after a more moderate formatted station than is AAR, and Radio One may target black liberals, but not any other type of liberal. As to ABC, the Satellite Sisters wouldn't fit at the top-rated WABC, and the fact that it's a talk show means it wouldn't fit at 'PLJ. WEPN... very funny.

My question is, how much female talk do we need? Just like AAR is working to increasingly blend with Jones' libtalk product, these newcomers to the market (namely ABC's new women's talk division and this one) should try to fit in with the Dr. Laura and Dr. Joys of the world. And while I can't speak for the folks at WFMP, it would seem that any of the three local shows on that station that have survived some time on the air would be better targets for syndication than the people we're seeing here. That's the only thing R1, AAR, and these people have in common: talent that hasn't seen a microphone before.

 

[dampier]

Re: Different Handle, Same Tired Rhetoric

> Same for you; another post spent totally rebutting Mr.
> Webster's points with no evidence to show how spectacularly
> well AAR is doing, as you insinuate.

You've been here long enough to have been through the ratings threads on Al Franken vs. O'Reilly and Rhodes vs. Hannity in NY.

 

[raccoonradio]

> Now, to start things off again, the historic fractiousness
> and fragmentation of the American left comes to talk radio.

Wonder how much the new black talk network (Rev Al, Two Live Stews,
Michael Eric Dyson) is taking out of the AAR audience. Any black
conservatives doing shows on that network? Larry Elder? ...Anyone?...<P ID="signature">______________

</P>

 

[SaltyDog]

Same coin, different side.

> Yeah, I'm sure they are up nights worrying about what you
> have to say about it.
>
> It's more of the same... different handle, same tired
> nonsense.

I agree. It's really annoying when someone repeatedly posts inflammatory rhetoric merely in order to advance their own tired political ideology isn't it? <P ID="signature">______________
SD</P>

 

[k9ez]

Just curious....

> > Same for you; another post spent totally rebutting Mr.
> > Webster's points with no evidence to show how
> spectacularly
> > well AAR is doing, as you insinuate.
>
> You've been here long enough to have been through the
> ratings threads on Al Franken vs. O'Reilly and Rhodes vs.
> Hannity in NY.
>

Why do you then reply to him all of the time. You two jsut get into the same old rants. If you didnt respond perhaps he wouldnt either.

Both of you are sent to your rooms! WITHOUT dinner!

 

[bigtalkradiofan]

GreenStone is actually helping fund AAR by "... kicking in support by purchasing air or satellite time."

> Looks like the femi-nazis don't want to play with the boys
> at AAR, so they are starting their own network.

Just the opposite, go back and thoroughly re-read your right-wing, propaganda, talking points from Brian Maloney.

GreenStone is actually helping fund AAR by "... kicking in support by purchasing air or satellite time."

http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2006/02/air-america-george-soros-mike-mccurry.html

Air America, George Soros, Mike McCurry, Peter Lewis, Democracy Alliance
BAILOUT
Soros, Lewis In Air America Election-Year Rescue
Exclusive to The Radio Equalizer
By Brian Maloney
22 February 2006

"... While other political organizations such as People For The American Way and new private operator GreenStone Media (founded by MoveOn.Org-supporting former radio executive Edie Hilliard) are also suddenly kicking in support by purchasing air or satellite time, DA may be the only one with deep-enough pockets to save it outright. ..."



> Deal with it kiddies. I'm baaaaaack.
>
> I know you all missed me because you kept imagining that
> others were really I.
>
> Now, to start things off again, the historic fractiousness
> and fragmentation of the American left comes to talk radio.
> Looks like the femi-nazis don't want to play with the boys
> at AAR, so they are starting their own network. But they
> are still working from the AAR playbook: Get rich activists
> to put up the money and hire people completely without radio
> experience.
>
> All Access:
> Greenstone Women's Talk Network Gets Celebrity Funding
>
> GREENSTONE MEDIA says that it has received financing from
> several celebrity women to launch its women's talk radio
> network, reports the WASHINGTON BUSINESS JOURNAL. The $3.1
> million in venture capital comes from investors like JANE
> FONDA, ROSIE O'DONNELL, GLORIA STEINEM, BILLIE JEAN KING,
> LOS ANGELES DODGERS President JAMIE MCCOURT, TV producer
> MARTA KAUFFMAN, and ANNENBERG FOUNDATION VP WALLIS
> ANNENBERG.
>
> The network has no affiliates lined up but has announced
> three shows, a morning show wth stand-up comics MAUREEN
> LANGAN and CORY KAHANEY ("LAST COMIC STANDING" and author
> NELSIE SPENCER ("THE PLAYGROUP"), a 9a-Noon show with
> "OFFICIAL PREPPY HANDBOOK" cerator LISA BIRNBACH, and an
> afternoon show with actress MO GAFFNEY (her on-stage partner
> KATHY NAJIMY was originally announced as MO's co-host but
> has backed down to guest status).
> The big question is how big a chunk will this network take
> out of Air America Radio's already small slice of the radio
> audience pie?
>
> One of the big donors is Wallis Annenberg, daughter of
> Walter Annenberg, one of the great nazis of the America
> media, and a financial and journalistic supporter of Joseph
> McCarthy and Richard Nixon. Daddy would be rolling over to
> see what young Wallie is doing with his money. Media Baron
> Annenberg's newspapers and radio and TV stations were strong
> supporters of Nixon and McCarty in their use of tactics
> which are very familiar to some on this board. Annenberg
> also shaped the news - or simply ignored it - to fit his
> editorial policies. Too bad Orson Welles never made a movie
> based on Annenberg. Anyone who ever worked for him should
> be eternally ashamed (and I know some do read this board -
> you know who you are).
>

 

[kaufcom]

It's interesting how you use a McCarthyite tactic (guilt by association) to attack one of the alleged investors in Greenstone Media. If Annenberg was a Nazi his daughter is also to be suspected.

> One of the big donors is Wallis Annenberg, daughter of
> Walter Annenberg, one of the great nazis of the America
> media, and a financial and journalistic supporter of Joseph
> McCarthy and Richard Nixon. Daddy would be rolling over to
> see what young Wallie is doing with his money. Media Baron
> Annenberg's newspapers and radio and TV stations were strong
> supporters of Nixon and McCarty in their use of tactics
> which are very familiar to some on this board. Annenberg
> also shaped the news - or simply ignored it - to fit his
> editorial policies. Too bad Orson Welles never made a movie
> based on Annenberg. Anyone who ever worked for him should
> be eternally ashamed (and I know some do read this board -
> you know who you are).

<P ID="signature">______________
http://talkingradio.blogspot.com/</P>

 

[dampier]

Re: GreenStone is actually helping fund AAR by "... kicking in support by purchasing air or satellite time."

> Just the opposite, go back and thoroughly re-read your
> right-wing, propaganda, talking points from Brian Maloney.

It looks like he had to swim out deeper into the REAL deep end of the pool to come up with this one, but I suppose he had to after I got first dibs on what he would have written to distract away from his bungled AAR-WLIB "exclusive" from the other week. Coming up next: The Satellite Sisters' Secret Chinese Military Connection!

Baloney's blog now comfortably fits under the Fiction section.

 

[ajhenderson]

Re: Just curious....

> Why do you then reply to him all of the time. You two jsut
> get into the same old rants. If you didnt respond perhaps
> he wouldnt either.
>
> Both of you are sent to your rooms! WITHOUT dinner!

The difference is I don't really care whose ideology wins out. I am well aware that O'Reilly is a nothing in many markets and that liberal talk is making gains. I've said that, and I realize that the right-wing ideologues are out to lunch sometimes, too. But this unmoderated sniping with little factual support gets tiresome. Seems everytime Al Franken gets a new listener or Sean Hannity sneezes we hear about it from the demagouges.

 

[Oldbones]

>
> All Access:
> Greenstone Women's Talk Network Gets Celebrity Funding
>
> The big question is how big a chunk will this network take
> out of Air America Radio's already small slice of the radio
> audience pie?
>

Probably very little. For one thing, women don't make up a very large portion of talk radio's audience anyway, and those that do aren't necessarily into left-wing politics in the first place.

 

[k9ez]

Re: Just curious....

> > Why do you then reply to him all of the time. You two
> jsut
> > get into the same old rants. If you didnt respond perhaps
>
> > he wouldnt either.
> >
> > Both of you are sent to your rooms! WITHOUT dinner!
>
> The difference is I don't really care whose ideology wins
> out. I am well aware that O'Reilly is a nothing in many
> markets and that liberal talk is making gains. I've said
> that, and I realize that the right-wing ideologues are out
> to lunch sometimes, too. But this unmoderated sniping with
> little factual support gets tiresome. Seems everytime Al
> Franken gets a new listener or Sean Hannity sneezes we hear
> about it from the demagouges.
>


I am with you there! Both sides tire me.

OOOPS that was a snipe without any support. SORRY! ;-)

 

[tbetz]

BobbyTheD wrote:
<blockquote>[...]women don't make up a very large portion of talk radio's audience anyway[...]</blockquote>

They sure make up a large portion of AAR's callers, which are not, of course, necessarily a fair representation of AAR's listeners.

However, in this case, it probably is a fair representation. A year ago, AAR did a demographic study of their listeners that showed AAR's listenership skewing on average younger than talk radio in general (48 versus 60 years) and also that it is fairly equally distributed between men and women (52/48 percent, respectively).

I doubt that the ratio has changed much in the past year.

So it's possible that a well-produced Women's Talk network would pull off some of AAR's listenership.

There's a Time Magazine column still available to the general public that discusses the study. The article from which it draws is only available to Time subscribers, or at your public library.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>

 

[dampier]

Re: Just curious....

> The difference is I don't really care whose ideology wins
> out.

You will find if you page back that the vast majority of my posts in this forum are to answer other people making accusations and claims. The only person I really trumpet for is Stephanie Miller.