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Talk Radio Scoreboard for Large Markets: June 2014

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Gregg.

Ratings trouble for Talk Radio continues. Warmer weather may hurt some Talk Radio stations, as people on vacation may prefer music to Talk. But only two Talk Radio stations in large markets made their local top ten. WSB Atlanta continues to shine at #1 and WGN Chicago finished in eighth place. But that's it. No KFI Los Angeles or KTRH Houston, stations that we usually saw in the top ten.

This month I add WYAY Atlanta to the Talk Radio list. It had been on the All-News list but Cumulus lost confidence in the All-News format and put Talk shows in all dayparts outside AM and PM Drive.

1. New York...WOR (Clear Channel) #21 ... WABC (Cumulus) #23
2. Los Angeles...KFI (Clear Channel) #12 ... KEIB (Clear Channel) #36 tie*... KABC (Cumulus) #39 tie*
3. Chicago...WGN (Tribune) #8 ... WLS (Cumulus) #24 tie
4. San Francisco...KSFO (Cumulus) #24 tie ... KKSF (Clear Channel) #26 ... KNEW (Clear Channel) #28 tie*
5. Dallas...WBAP (Cumulus) #19 tie
6. Houston...KTRH (Clear Channel) #16
7. Washington...WMAL-AM-FM (Cumulus) #13 tie
8. Philadelphia...WPHT (CBS) #17
9. Atlanta...WSB/WSBB(FM) (Cox) #1 ... WYAY(FM) #18
10. Boston...WRKO (Entercom) #16

* I only include commercial Talk stations that scored at least a one rating, except for heritage Talk outlet KABC and Rush's LA and SF outlets, KEIB and KNEW.
 
L Chanon Gade said:
Here in NYC he whole shuffle of Limbaugh-Hannutty amounts to moving staff and patients from one hospice to another -the end result doesn't change.

For those who miss intelligent talk radio, there had long been WNYC A&f as well http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/wnyc-dominates-ratings-talk-radio-article-1.1862582 as some programs on both WNYE and WBAI.

FWIW: WNYC's operating budget far exceeds the total billing of both WABC and WOR combined.

Chan/NYC
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Do you have to post the same drivel in EVERY thread about talk radio. Your side isn't the only own that is "intelligent". Grow the hell up.
 
I'm not quite sure why anyone is surprised that (mostly) conservative talk radio is not doing well in large cities. Atlanta being a notable exception, but it's also in a very red state. I know a whole lot of people here like to ignore "flyover" country, but there are quite a few places where the talk station is on top, or close to it. If I'm a large media conglomerate, I would rather have 200 stations where the format does quite well than scrap the whole thing because a bunch of people in New York City don't like it.

Very large, very blue cities are NEVER going to warm up to what talk radio is now. They have other places to get the kind of content they want, so that's what they do. This constant wringing of hands and bashing shows an absolute ignorance of how the business works.

Now that I've gotten that out in the open, you may all get back to patting each other on the back and telling yourselves how much smarter than everyone else that you are.
 
No, "Small Market" -it is that the rubes in "flyover" are easier to dupe with talk radio's brand of "information". If that is the kind of radio you are doing, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. The declines are all over the country. Once your station gets sold, or the demos too old, It will take you down too.

Chan/NYC
 
Small Market Guy said:
If I'm a large media conglomerate, I would rather have 200 stations where the format does quite well than scrap the whole thing because a bunch of people in New York City don't like it.
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But here's the thing: At one time, just a couple years ago, these stations were doing great, and talk radio was the strongest format in radio.

Something happened.
 
L Chanon Gade said:
No, "Small Market" -it is that the rubes in "flyover" are easier to dupe with talk radio's brand of "information". If that is the kind of radio you are doing, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. The declines are all over the country. Once your station gets sold, or the demos too old, It will take you down too.

Chan/NYC
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So all people in small metros and flyover country are "easy to dupe rubes". Wow.
 
L Chanon Gade said:
No, "Small Market" -it is that the rubes in "flyover" are easier to dupe with talk radio's brand of "information". If that is the kind of radio you are doing, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. The declines are all over the country. Once your station gets sold, or the demos too old, It will take you down too.

Chan/NYC
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Wow, it didn't take much to get you to expose yourself as the hateful bigot that you are.

My station isn't getting "sold" and my demo is easily 20 years younger than most talk stations (mainly due to the population being young, not by anything I've done). I'll be retired or dead before my demo ages out. You're out of your element here, you sad little man.

Wanna talk about "rubes"? At least I can buy a 64 ounce soda without the owner of the store being arrested. Keep voting for those nannies. It'll work out so well for you.
 
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L Chanon Gade said:
FWIW: WNYC's operating budget far exceeds the total billing of both WABC and WOR combined.
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And much of it comes out of the taxpayer's pocket, whether they like, use or appreciate it or not. In 2010, for example, state and city sources gave $14.1 million dollars to the organization.

http://www.pbs.org/mediashift/2010/11/the-business-of-public-radio-wnyc-bulks-up-builds-out327/
 
David, take a look at those numbers and compare "State and City" contribution mentioned in that -4 year old article- those number are a one-time factor. The ongoing government contribution is miniscule as compared to the overall operating budget raised from individual members and corporate sponsors.

WNYC-WQXR have an operation that puts ALL the commercial talk shops to shame. Non-Comms have always been more than a bit resented by commercial broadcasters.

Commercial operators often have said that they feel the non-comms cherry=pick the best demos and leave them with the rest. I suspect they also resent the fact that they are not constantly interrupting their programs with inane pitchmen and tadying to Madison Ave. TFB.

Chan/NYC
 
Once again you make a bunch of self-serving claims that no one can verify.

"At least I can buy a 64 ounce soda without the owner of the store being arrested."

Comments like that show why you are where you are.

For a guy (I assume) who claims to be a profession talk host, I'm surprised at how consistently weak your responses are.

I posted a link to an article of facts. They seem to have made you uncomfortable.

Chan/NYC
 
Small Market Guy said:
Wow, it didn't take much to get you to expose yourself as the hateful bigot that you are.

My station isn't getting "sold" and my demo is easily 20 years younger than most talk stations (mainly due to the population being young, not by anything I've done). I'll be retired or dead before my demo ages out. You're out of your element here, you sad little man.

Wanna talk about "rubes"? At least I can buy a 64 ounce soda without the owner of the store being arrested. Keep voting for those nannies. It'll work out so well for you.
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Time and time again this guy demonstrates how he's part of the problem in talkradio, not the solution.

Always quick with the Karl Rovian reverse rhetoric: Calling someone something you yourself are guilty of.

The nanny comment only ices his M.O. It's right out of the talkradio wingnut handbook.
 
L Chanon Gade said:
I posted a link to an article of facts. They seem to have made you uncomfortable.

Chan/NYC
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No, you called people in the part of the country that make your very life possible "rubes". Without those "rubes" you wouldn't have food. You wouldn't have clothing, and you wouldn't have power to run the computer you use to post your hateful venom on this board. When you wake up in the morning you should thank your lucky stars that those "rubes" are there, because without them you would have NOTHING.
 
Small Market Guy said:
No, you called people in the part of the country that make your very life possible "rubes". Without those "rubes" you wouldn't have food. You wouldn't have clothing, and you wouldn't have power to run the computer you use to post your hateful venom on this board. When you wake up in the morning you should thank your lucky stars that those "rubes" are there, because without them you would have NOTHING.
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The fact that they can grow corn and wheat doesn't make them any less rube-like.
 
L Chanon Gade said:
David, take a look at those numbers and compare "State and City" contribution mentioned in that -4 year old article- those number are a one-time factor. The ongoing government contribution is miniscule as compared to the overall operating budget raised from individual members and corporate sponsors.
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I realize that they needed more money in that year, which is why I sourced my reference. But the fact that government provided so much money to a station that only reaches a small percentage of residents of the NYC area does make one wonder about the excesses of 31 studios and 70,000 square feet of space.

WNYC-WQXR have an operation that puts ALL the commercial talk shops to shame. Non-Comms have always been more than a bit resented by commercial broadcasters.
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I would not use the word "shame" as I have seen many state run broadcasters in Europe where expenses are high and audiences are often low. It is easy to be grandiose when on the public teat, and WNYC sounds like it is overfunded, overstaffed and a bit of an anachronism.

Commercial operators often have said that they feel the non-comms cherry=pick the best demos and leave them with the rest.
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I've never ever heard that in 55 years in radio. And I have worked with a variety of non-commercial broadcasters over that time. In truth, I believe most of us in the commercial radio world think that, if anything, non-coms tend to sever the older demos that commercial stations can't make money serving.

I suspect they also resent the fact that they are not constantly interrupting their programs with inane pitchmen and tadying to Madison Ave. TFB.
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Most of us wish we could deal with fewer commercials but the reality of commercial radio does not permit that.
 
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