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I am a rookie when it comes to news/talk, and since no one in this town is hiring local news/talk talent, I will have to buy time on a station to be able to get on the air.

I have looked at numerous stations in Tampa, Clearwater and Sarasota. I know I am asking for it, but what specifically are the problems that you ladies/gentlemen have with 1340? Don't hold back.

If not 1340, then who would be better? I mention 1340 because its closer to my home, and obviously easier to get to.

What are your specific thoughts re: WWPR and WTMY? Give me both the good and the bad of these stations, please.

Also, if you could give recommendations on how to sell my program to prospective advertisers.

Thank you for your opinions.
 
Well, radio people look askance at any "paytoilet" as I call them: stations that run wall-to-wall or mostly brokered programming. Unlike some brokered stations, WTAN, WWPR, and WTMY basically have no programming that would compel anyone other than the time lessee's wife to tune in. An easy way to tell is if the station sells time to foreign language outfits.

WHNZ is an example of a relatively decent brokered station; it gets minimal 12+ ratings and has some decent programming. It's too expensive, though, probably in the $500 ballpark on weekends. WWBA isn't a great station and has a marginal signal, but could be had for around $300-350/hr. By contrast, I've placed clients on WTAN for as low as $80 during weekend primetime. Not that I make a habit of working with them, but it's the cheapest "Tampa" clearance you can buy for a national or regional brokered show. But, these mortgage, real estate, etc. shows have a model for making money. At $80/hr, a mortgage show could get one deal a year and still likely make money. He doesn't look for sponsors. I would say you'll have a low likelihood of getting sponsors on WTAN/WWPR/WTMY without any connections, for example, if you're a doctor or realtor using existing professional connections. Basically, someone who already knows/likes you and figures a couple hundred bucks a month is nothing even if he doesn't get results (which he likely won't).

The best way to get started if you just want to talk is to move to Sebring and get a gig there. If you're good, you'll get a better gig. In today's radio climate, it's a tough task to get a weekend show, as weekends are replays of Sean Hannity on the best station and wall-to-wall paid programs on the rest. Talk listenership falls off a cliff on the weekends, so stations figure they might as well cash in and alienate the few listeners they have.

Another idea, if you want to buy time: although you wouldn't be able to hear yourself on the radio, nor would your friends or the local sponsors you'd be able to sell with the most ease, you could buy an ISDN codec and get a line into your house cheaper than ever these days. For $1500 (used) or $3000 (new) and $100 or $200 a month, you could buy time and do a show anywhere from your house.
 
Dear Mr. Wannabe,

Good luck in you endeavors of being a radio star using your own money to buy your time.

Unfortunately I must inform you that the only thing you will accomplish other than having your mom hear you on a little shit radio station is that your bank account will go bye bye.

I know, I know, you will be different, you will make money, and you will be a star.

Let’s look at some of those who passed your way in the past. “Glen Kline online”, last I heard he was running a tanning place. “Billy the boardopp”, Hmm selling videos of him hypnotizing drunk chicks. “The weird chick who tried a comedy show on WTAN then moved it to WWBA” Gone with her money.

Oh and less we forget “Radio Free Rocky Dee”. Off buying more time in South Carolina I hear.

But hey, good luck on being a radio star.
 
You know it really depends on what you want to do

For starters I like the WTAN idea..but I would be sure that you can get your show on the web. There will likely be more listeners that will participate in a call-in type show over the station's stream than over the air. Hard to say. I would give it a try..what the heck? You'll at least get a demo together that you can use to get the job in Sebring :)

You know Dave and Lola could easily sell a few hours on weekends to prospective broadcasters specifically for the purpose of making demos. He could even start his own broadcasting school and have an unlimited supply of "interns" working as board ops. They pay him to work. They pay him to learn. What's wrong with that? There's NO PLACE ELSE to go to learn anything about this business.
 
The reason I brought up brokered stations to begin with was because, after sending CD's and resumes to WGUL, WENG, WFLA, WHNZ, 540 WFLA (Orlando), WLKF, WDBO, WWTK, WWJB, and WDCX (LPAM 1610)(basically covering markets from 19, 34, 73, 96, and 287), and receiving no response, where else is one to turn?

You may have noticed I didn't send a CD/resume to WWBA/WHBO. That's because I interned there, got my CD/resume together there, and could not convince them to dump the schlub in the afternoon (Fasulo) and try to give someone else a chance. Would I have been better than he is? Yup, because I know how he approaches his show (saw it firsthand) and I know I would have done my show much better. At least I know enough to "play the hits," he doesn't.

Thanks to all for the advice, except MichaelCrose. You may have been around radio longer than I have, and may be bitter, but you could have used the time and space to give helpful suggestions.
 
The approach of trying to get your employer to dump their current PM drive show to try someone with no experience does not usually meet with success.

A better idea might have been to see if they would have created a little weekend thing for you to start.

You will find that most new talk shows now are hosted by people with other broadcast experience... music hosts, news reporters, and TV people usually are tabbed to make that transition.

But don't despair... the Monsters, now the AM drive show on Real Radio in Orlando, started off buying two hours a week on Saturday mornings.
 
As always, Laurence gives good advice. You did mention one thing that strikes a nerve with me. You sent demos to a number of stations with no response. Years ago, as many of us have experienced, I found myself "on the beach". I sent resumes to as many as humanly possible. I remember that Bill Garcia was the only one who gave a response. A class guy. Bill was then the PD at FLA-FM. I learned from Bill. When I was fortunate to get the GM gig at WLVU AM/FM I made a vow to respond to every single demo, resume, etc. EVERYONE who sent me a resume or tape got a letter in return. It is shameful that stations and management do not exercise common courtesy.
 
fltalk said:
The reason I brought up brokered stations to begin with was because, after sending CD's and resumes to WGUL, WENG, WFLA, WHNZ, 540 WFLA (Orlando), WLKF, WDBO, WWTK, WWJB, and WDCX (LPAM 1610)(basically covering markets from 19, 34, 73, 96, and 287), and receiving no response, where else is one to turn?

You may have noticed I didn't send a CD/resume to WWBA/WHBO. That's because I interned there, got my CD/resume together there, and could not convince them to dump the schlub in the afternoon (Fasulo) and try to give someone else a chance. Would I have been better than he is? Yup, because I know how he approaches his show (saw it firsthand) and I know I would have done my show much better. At least I know enough to "play the hits," he doesn't.

Thanks to all for the advice, except MichaelCrose. You may have been around radio longer than I have, and may be bitter, but you could have used the time and space to give helpful suggestions.

Just one more tidbit of advice. Everything you've said rings true, however, not good practice to bad mouth anyone in the business. "Schlub"? Don't stoop to being unprofessional. Fasulo is "in the chair" and you are not. I'm going to sound like the wise old man, however, I started in 1964 and can testify that it is a small world in this business.
 
Dear Mr. Wannabe,

Here is my true advice. Go to a smaller market, get a job doing anything. Years ago there was a young man (12 at the time) who used to call my show every week. All he ever wanted to do was to be on radio.

Today you can find him at http://www.walkerbroadcasting.com/ . He took any and every job he could . Is young Paul a big star yet? No, but he has never given up and he NEVER bad mouths anyone in the business. (It is a very small community)

My advice would be to email Paul, get his down and dirty advice and try to make friends.
 
I believe Mr. Walker is out on South Carolina someplace...

btw How can you have a thread about brokered radio and not mention one Ronald Joseph?

// starts humming "I Just Can't Wait Til Saturday"
 
Parttimer,

While true that it was doubtful that they would dump their current PM show for me, if I didn't ask for the job, how would I know if I ever would have gotten it? That was a chance I took at the time, I asked, got my answer, and didn't pursue it after that.

Good luck to Fasulo. My mistake for being unprofessional in the badmouthing that I did. Won't happen again. I apologize.

As for a weekend thing at WWBA, while that would have been nice, the only way to pull that off would have been to buy time. At those rates, not economically feasible.

MichaelCrose,

Thank you for the suggestions. But, one piece of information that I left out that maybe I shouldn't have, is that I cannot afford to "get a job doing anything." I am married with 3 kids, and again, not economically feasible. But, I will get in contact with Paul to see what can happen. Again, thanks for the suggestions.
 
fltalk..it's a rough place to dive into when you have to support a family. That is precisely why those that do well in this crazy industry choose thier route, and start travelling it when they are relatively young. (read: Not beholdin to anyone) and can afford to make mistakes, and tune their craft. Frank Ferrari can attest to the difficulty in finding good qualified people with experience these days. At the risk of sounding like Frank and I ought to be sitting in our Hoverounds(tm) and grousing about these youngsters...there is practically no where to go and get "anything" anymore. Voice tracking, and satellite programming have become so attractive to even the small operators that the need for, and usefulness of hiring anybody makes little economical sense. The place to go is the smaller market station owned and operated BY an old line passionate radio person..who will allow you freedoms, and lattitude. Many times this is geographically not possible..so the choice to do so is indeed a tough one..But there ARE stations in SC, TN, AL, and even Florida that are run by veterans who do radio because they LOVE it..I wish I could afford to pour tens of thousands of dollars into a station and hire you.

Bottom line..yeah buying an hour or two on WTAN then PROMOTING the heck out of it..then selling it to a like minded believer will probably be the best, and most interesting thing you can do from here. And it could also be kinda fun.
 
Thanks for the sentiments, Jeff.

Yeah, I know that I am late to the game, and definitely swimming upstream.

I understand the economics behind stations getting the voicetracking, and bringing in syndicated programs. I have spent a considerable amount of time studying the radio industry, and still want to do this, despite the hurdles.

Obviously, the dream would be to get hired and just go in and talk for X amount of hours per day. But, in today's market, that is just not the case anymore. I will work a day job(what I am doing now) just to get time on a LPAM(which is why I sent the CD/resume to WDCX).

If I have to do the sales/script writing/production, etc, I have no problem with that. Then, I will build it from there. If I get hired locally, great. If I don't, then I will try to syndicate it. But, one step at a time.

Thanks for the help.

Know anyone that wants to sell airtime for a commission rate of 20%? ;D
 
Here's what you do ... put the dream off for one year, get a second job and save every extra dollar you can find. Build up a reserve fund that will allow you to take an entry level job and work your way up the radio ladder. Very few start at the top of any of the many ladder in radio.

Don't burn any bridges! It ain't worth it in this very small world!
 
fltalk

Since you specifically mentioned one of my stations in your earlier post, I wanted to take a few minutes to respond to you. Hopefully you, (and others that might read this) will find the suggestions and advise helpful.

First of all, I've received the resumes and CD's that you've sent over to the station. You've done a nice job in packaging your materials and getting my attention. Your one-page resume was well written and
speaks well of your work and attitude.

Congratulations for finishing the BTN program. The program takes folks like you with an interest in broadcasting and places them in a radio facility where you can "learn by doing." It's a great first step, and the experience you picked up working with Matt and his crew at WWBA & WHBO will be invaluable as you take the next steps in your broadcasting career.

But, completing the BTN (or CSB) program is just that... the first steps into a very competitive business. It's also a business that's contracting... not expanding right now.

I took part in a career seminar at SPC last month. There was a representative from Cable TV/Local Government access, News/Public Relations and me. We each discussed the employment and career opportunities in each our our industries. I had to be honest with the students, and opened my comments by saying that I work in a business where there are far fewer jobs that there were ten years ago.

The consolidation and computerization of this industry has cost thousands and thousands of people their jobs nationwide. In 1979 when I began working here in Tampa Bay, there were at approximately 30 radio "business units" where someone could be employed. Today that number is down to less that a dozen. (Far less than that if you rule out the foreign language stations and companies!) Instead of 30 traffic managers, 30 engineers, 30 business managers, 30 production directors, 30 copywriters and sales assistants all working in the market... consolidation has claimed most of all those jobs. And instead of concentrating on one station, these few remaining folks are responsible for several stations.

On the other side of the building, computerization, automation and voicetracking have taken their toll as well. Instead of every station being manned 24/7 by jocks, or board operators... well you know the story.

It's not pretty... and those of us who've managed to survive consider ourselves very lucky to have stayed in the business we love. My friend Tedd Webb said it best... you could fully staff an amazing radio station here in Tampa Bay with all the experienced, unemployed people right now.

So it's a business and an industry that's in a reduction mode right now. That's the stream you're trying to swim into, and it's not going to be easy.

If it's allright, let me offer some thoughts. On your resume, your stated objective is: News/Talk show host.

That's a terrific goal, and after listening to your CD again before I typed this, I can see and hear your passion and desire to sit in the host chair.

But you gotta understand a few things.

Please understand that I just can't hire you (or anyone) to be a talkshow host with absolutely no real experience. That's not to discount what you've done so far, but you're not prepared.

Take a moment and look around at the folks still hosting talk shows right now... (and yes, the number of people hosting local shows has dropped dramatically over the past few years!)

Long-time radio vet Mark Larsen was the Program Director of Oldies 93 when it flipped to Power 93, and he eventually migrated over to WFLA, and years later to WWBA.

Jack, Tedd and Sharon each came to WFLA's morning show with long sucessful radio careers.

And the guy you clubbed like a baby seal in your earlier post, Brian Fasulo, had a successful run in TV before making the transition to radio.

Even here on my Christian Teaching and Talk station AM 570 WTBN, Bill Bunkley hosts a one hour program each afternoon at 4pm. While this may be his first radio hosting position, he brings years of service in the business and political worlds and offers a unique Christian perspective to the issues of the day.

fltalk, you just can't finish a coorespondence broadcasting school course and expect to be embraced immediately by the industry as a talk show host. You're going to have to pay your dues in the industry first.

If it's what you really want to do... great... persue it !!!

Because I'm going to let you in on a secret. Eventually the cycle will repeat itself. It happened before and it will happen again.


Radio was ALL local in it's very early days. That gave birth to the networks and network stars and local radio disappeared. (sound familiar?) After TV came along in the early 50's, radio suffered badly. It took years to recover and it did so by reverting to local programming and issues and suddenly local radio hosts and jocks were the rage, and radio was rejuvenated.

We're taking a hit again right now with i-pods, satellite radio and internet radio.

But eventually, someone in a corporate position will figure out how much money can be made by hiring a local board operator/producer, and matching him up with a local talkshow host. They'll focus on local issues and the flood gates will reopen. Local radio will be reborn.

And by that point in your career if you have solid radio experience, andmore importantly, an original twist as an on-air personality that is not duplicated elsewhere, you could be the one to fill the chair.

But now's not the time.

Take my advice and remove "News/Talk Show Host" from the Objective section of your resume. You're not ready, the industry is not ready. At this point in your career, you just want a foot in the door doing anything!

And at the same time, consider buying that hour of time on a station like WTAN or one of the radio networks jsut to get some experience. Launch a website with podcasting and openly embrace the new technologies. Find or create a demand for a unique local radio product and sell it.

Then when the cycle turns back to local radio, you'll be ready.

In looking back over your resume, the "political consultant" experience outside of radio jumps out at me. Have you thought about exploiting that experience ??? Have you considered offering your expertise as a local political media expert to stations during the election cycles ???

I have a file with resumes and CD's of people who want to talk about Iran, Iraq and the horrible Democrats. But I can tell you right now that I don't have one single resume or CD from a guy who can intelligently discuss local political campaign statagies and candidate management. Think about it !!!!

Finally, in a later post you mentioned your family and financial situation.

Here's where I have a REALLY big beef with the coorespondence and radio/TV trade schools. In my opinion, they're NOT being fully open and honest with you. At 19 with no family obligations, it's difficult but not impossible to get into radio and pay your dues. (You'll be eating Mac & Cheese and working at another job as well to pay your bills.) But at 38 or 39, with three kids, a dog, two cars, a mortgage or two, ailing parents and a wallet filled with overloaded credit cards it's a totally different story. It's going to be impossible for you to go to school for 16 weeks, come out with a "diploma", and then suddenly get a full-time job in radio with a comparable income to what you're making now.

In my opinion, these schools are doing a horrible disservice to hard working adults who "always wanted to be in radio" by not leveling with them and telling them the truth. (I guess the truth will cut down on their bottom line and profits!)

IT SUCKS, but fltalk, that's the truth.

Quick story...I can tell you that from 1989 to 1991, I worked as a career counselor at the old Columbia School of Broadcasting here in Tampa. (Don't laugh, I had two mortgages and three kids and needed the extra work!) I always tried to be up front and honest with the students I worked with. Those over 30 who insisted on signing up for the program generally failed... not because of a lack of talent, but because they could not take the financial hit. Those who succeeded were just out of high school or under 25.

For a brief time in 2005, I worked in the Clear Channel building over on Gandy Blvd. During that time, I ran into at least a half-dozen of my former "students." Every one of them came to the school in their early 20's, and have now spent over 15 years in the business. I'm proud of their accomplishments and contributions to the industry.

So there you go. I haven't conducted a formal interview with you yet, but this is exactly what I would have said during the course of the conversation.

I wish you the best, and if there's anything I can do to help, e-mail me at [email protected].

Mike Serio
 
Great summary of the situation, Mike, and great advice for fltalk!

By the way, I have 12 years experience as a talk show host and pd, and am currently working as a Finance Director of a political campaign. Got any need for me in sunny Florida? :~)
 
Mike has boiled this all down to something we should print and re-read when our collective egos get swollen. He has produced and co-hosted with some of the MOST compelling professional talk radio personalities, and he knows what he's talking about..Just be careful with your money..There are LOADS of people who'll take some from you.

And plan carefully before you get starstruck about "going national" and jump on the "accent radio network" check the affiliate list..they list a "Chicago" station that has NO measurable signal in Chicago..They list an Atlanta station (WSSA at 1500) and there IS NO such station..It was FUNNY to see the miserable signal coverages of some of thier affiliate stations..and that's just the start. In essence you can be on multiple stations where NO one will listen as opposed to ONE station (WTAN) where someone "might" listen IF you promote it locally and get busy selling your show. Additionally The Accent Radio Network doesn't appear to offer studio time, or any way to provide a real live show. It looks like they are selling time on multiple stations but only for program suppliers who can provide audio either via Internet or CD..but of course they'll sell you a studio. It's a brilliant idea for those who want to be "national" talk show hosts..on (mostly) inferior signal AM stations at the high end of the dial.

IF you want to syndicate, and can arrange other stations to take your show..you can always upload your shows for stations to retrieve and air. BUT for live call-in type stuff..WTAN can take care of the details, and more "authentically" replicate a true radio station environment. I am not selling you Dave and Lola's station(s) so much as I know you live here, and want to be able to do this from here (for now)
 
One thing that anyone who has been in this industry for awhile can attest to, is the fact that just about all of us has been out of work at some point. Stations are sold or flip formats, program directors decide to take a creative turn... there are an endless list of reasons why, but be prepared for it, and be flexible.

Remember the "fall back career" that your guidance counselor always insisted on? I ended up using mine for ten years. After grabbing a sheepskin with "Bachelor of Arts in Mass Communications" on it, and a stint in the Air Force, I had a hard time breaking back into broadcasting. I had experience as a DJ and Production Manager at a radio station, but I needed money, so I used my "fall back career" and was out of broadcasting. I was a pilot, who dreamed every day about my return to the airwaves, and was jealous of every DJ and talk show host I heard on the radio as I traveled around the world. (I sounded great when I requested clearance on the radio from air traffic control!)

Now that I've bored you with my autobiography, I'll get to the point of this story... Be prepared to do anything to get back on the air. When I made my return to radio, I went to the Connecticut School of Broadcasting so that I could learn about all of the changes in technology since I had last been in a radio station. I walked into class armed with a grease pencil, razor blade and splicing tape. They went unused as I learned about Cool Edit, Pro Tools and Audio Vault.

The first day of class, the instructor asked who wanted to be a DJ... a few hands went up. Then he asked who wanted to do news... a few other hands went up. Then he asked who wanted to do sports... you get the picture. Most people had their minds made up what they wanted to do, and some folks would take nothing less that their own "specialty". I think most of the specialists are still looking for work in their specialty. (The correct answer is to put your hand up every time.)

I had never thought of myself as a traffic reporter, but took a job about two years ago doing traffic just to get back behind a microphone. I started with a couple of smaller stations, and learned how to produce traffic and use the cameras around town. Now I spend half of the day producing and doing office work, and half of the day on the air doing news and traffic reports. I feel like I'm finally putting that moldy old sheepskin to work, and I'm having the time of my life!

I was filling in a few months ago on a sports station, and one of the guys from my CSB class who wanted to do sports called me to ask how to get a job as a sportscaster. I asked him if he was interested in doing traffic, and he said "no". I said that it was the first step that would get him in the door. He's still looking for a sports gig.

The moral of this long winded story is simple... Take whatever you can get. Just get into a studio, and when the opportunity arises, show what you can do. Just by physically being in a radio station, you will make valuable contacts. You may not get the talk show gig you are looking for right away, but you will have fun while you build your resume.

I hope this helps you find your way into the job of your dreams. You don't necessarily have to pay for airtime. There are plenty of jobs in promotions, part time board-oping, washing the station van etc. Just find a way to get your foot in the door.
 
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