landtuna said:
And you'd be wrong, but...meh. Not the first time.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...low-conans-past-above-his-present-shows/74779
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...swim-and-trutv-including-conan-nba-more/75431
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And you'd be wrong, but...meh. Not the first time.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...low-conans-past-above-his-present-shows/74779
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...swim-and-trutv-including-conan-nba-more/75431
On the 1st airing of the South Park episode "Ike's Wee Wee", they let the s-bomb go unbeeped but it was beeped on the future airings, even on the DVDs
nomadcowatbk said:
Keeping the 'bleep' on the DVD must have been an error - DVDs are generally uncensored on non-family oriented shows, and South Park certainly can't be considered family friendly. Have you watched a Family Guy DVD? They're pretty raw.
Nate Wesley said:
And I am also guessing you need to learn how to read.
Your first example verifies Leno is still beating Conan (although by a slim margin in a specific age demo) and the second gives no comparisons, just stating that Conan is the leading late night show among specific age demo's. Since I am not in advertising I use total viewers as a measure of a show's popularity and not select demographics but you are welcome to use whatever number fits your agenda.
BTW, I have no dog in this fight. I haven't watched Leno in a very long time and haven't watched Conan since his initial show on NBC. I don't find either of enough interest to even set my DVR let alone stay up late. My comments were intended to be more indicative of TBS programming.
landtuna said:
You said he wasn't getting it done, I showed you the info showing that he was, and now you want to move the goalposts on your original contention ('I only look at total viewership numbers, and I was really just talking about TBS'). All while 'not having a dog in this fight'.
You're hilarious.
Nate Wesley said:You said he wasn't getting it done, I showed you the info showing that he was, and now you want to move the goalposts on your original contention ('I only look at total viewership numbers, and I was really just talking about TBS'). All while 'not having a dog in this fight'.
You're hilarious.
Thank you. I'll be here all week.
But seriously.....goalposts not moved. I used your own references to show that Conan has not overtaken Leno. By anyone's measurement that is not "getting it done". The explanation was a courtesy. You may consider it if you wish, and if not, have a nice delusional day! 8)
landtuna said:Nate Wesley said:You said he wasn't getting it done, I showed you the info showing that he was, and now you want to move the goalposts on your original contention ('I only look at total viewership numbers, and I was really just talking about TBS'). All while 'not having a dog in this fight'.
You're hilarious.
Thank you. I'll be here all week.
But seriously.....goalposts not moved. I used your own references to show that Conan has not overtaken Leno. By anyone's measurement that is not "getting it done". The explanation was a courtesy. You may consider it if you wish, and if not, have a nice delusional day! 8)
I'm not sure I want to get into you're little catfight here, but I'll disagree with your definition of "getting it done." I don't think there was every any realistic expectation that Conan on TBS would overtake Leno. After all the speculation about where O'Brien would end up, and it was announced he was signing with TBS - the general conclusion was that he wouldn't be able to garner "Big 3" network style ratings on a basic cable channel.
So in that sense, his show has exceeded expectations - at least so far, and he's doing well with young audiences. I'm sure TBS will consider that he's "getting it done" if their ratings in that time-slot have improved, some of his audience stays tuned into Lopez, and they can successfully promote other TBS shows (Glory Daze, for example) during Conan's show
I'm guessing they went and beeped the master copy of "Ike's Wee Wee". South Park episodes are usually finished just hours before they air.Lkeller said:
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I think we have established that the "S" word is somewhat common on cable. My original point, perhaps not plainly communicated, is that this is a new discussion, in that this is a mainstream talk show, with a host who has lived with network standards for the past 20 years. It is a bit of shock to the system, not in the TBS realm, but in the mainstream talk show host realm.
KML-224 said:
You can say that about the rest of the late night talk shows that follow the same formula. Craig Ferguson's show is a little different because of the cold opening but I usually end up watching the entire show regardless of the guests. He's much better at interviewing guests than Conan is, imo.
landtuna said:
Granted. But your implication was that 'Not Beating Leno' was the only measure of success. If that were the case, you'd have to consider Letterman and Kimmel to be failures, even though they've been around a long time, continue to get higher ratings than prior shows in their time slots, and make money for their respective networks.
If Conan tanks, it will be because his ratings continue to deteriorate. But if he can stay in the ratings ballpark with Letterman and Kimmel, and continues to bring in an outsized proportion of young viewers, his show can be considered a success.
Lkeller said:
I wasn't implicating the only measure of success but since Leno has been the leader for many years in the genre he is the best comparison for Conan.
Lkeller said:
I understand that but since I have no insight into Conan's earnings (nor any other talk show host for that matter) I was discussing total ratings only - a measure of popularity. Another poster called me on a specific age demographic but that wasn't my point nor did I make reference to it in my initial post.
I'm also not predicting Conan will tank (and don't care) or will eventually overcome Leno or the other late night talk show hosts.
I have never seen Kimmel or Ferguson and the other "big 3" are throwaway shows IMHO. I watched the inaugural Conan show, thought it stunk, and have not been back. Letterman left me cold years ago. Leno is, at best, hit and miss and most often lately - miss. Although Carson was generally entertaining and at times hilarious it wasn't that way every night and I was not an avid Carson viewer either - particularly in his later years when he was absent so much.
But then I am no longer in the desired demographic so why would anyone care about my comments?
landtuna said:
You should give Ferguson a whirl. It may not float your boat but he puts on a good show despite having zero of a budget. It's also by and large the most honest interviews you can get on late night. More often than not, they barely touch upon whatever it is the guest is appearing to plug unlike Leno's rigidly structured PR talking points and pre-screened anecdotes.
A Ferguson superfan posts all of his shows on Youtube later the same night with Craig's and Worldwide Pants' blessings:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TVsCraigFerguson
searadiofreak said:
George Lopez as a guest on Conan said the word "Sh't".Andy Richtor use the Ahole word when a quest said "C" sucker that was bleeped out.
I think guests are purposly trying to loosen Conan up a bit.He seems very comfortable with the TBS show but I don't think he realizes he does'nt have to be so tight.He still in NETWORK TELEVISION mode.
A few years ago State Farm Insurance sponsored a show on CBS where a young teenage boy said the word "bull ... ing". It was live but you have to figure the network and its sponsor had seen the script.
Also, back in the mid-90s, one of the broadcast networks aired "E.T." Spielberg wouldn't allow it to be edited.
Come to think of it, network TV has also had "Saving Private Ryan" and "Schindler's List" unedited, and a documentary about 9-11, also unedited. All of these had the F-word as well.
Also, back in the mid-90s, one of the broadcast networks aired "E.T." Spielberg wouldn't allow it to be edited.
Come to think of it, network TV has also had "Saving Private Ryan" and "Schindler's List" unedited, and a documentary about 9-11, also unedited. All of these had the F-word as well.
ON UPN, they showed a woman naked from behind from a distance on one show I watched.Lkeller said:
I remember a CBS TV-movie where Marlo Thomas played a critically ill woman and they showed everything from the back because, after all, she was sick, so it wsn't supposed to be sexy. She still looked quite good.
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