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Technical question about HD radio

radioskeptic said:
Sorry about taking so long to reply, but I’ve been “off-line” since about 2 PM Saturday (9/2).

“You have no idea who I am,” wrote IBOCRocks. But in fact, I strongly suspected that he had some kind of financial interest in the success of IBOC, and he very helpfully confirmed that when he said that he has installed “several” IBOC systems.

As for me, I can proudly say I’ve installed none. That’s not surprising, though, since I’ve been out of radio for over a decade -- and I think I made the right career choice in leaving the field, in view of baleful effects the wave of consolidation encouraged by the notorious 1996 Telecom Act has had on the industry!

But while I suspected that IBOCRocks and the other IBOC advocates who are regulars on this board (1q2w3e, autopaint-1, I.B.Iquity and pullitin) had some sort of financial interest, and considered them verbal bullies, I never pictured them as all-around “losers,” the way they’ve tried to portray SayNoToIBOC, Supercaster, vsa, audiophile and other IBOC opponents.

I doubt that the IBOC opponents are adolescents, or arrested adolescents, as the IBOC advocates suggest; but if they were, how would that invalidate their criticisms of the system? (Is patriotism the last refuge of the scoundrel? Not always. Sometimes the ad hominem attack is!)

But let’s turn back to the question of IBOC and first-adjacents.

There are a dozen Class B stations in New York City, or in nearby North Jersey towns, with Class B first-adjacents in Philadelphia, or in nearby South Jersey or SE Pennsylvania towns Let’s just look at one such pair as an example.

New York’s WFNY is on 92.3, and Philadelphia’s WXTU is on 92.5. Look at their 60 dBu contours – AND their 40 dBu’s – as shown on the Radio-Locator maps. (Just go to www.radio-locator.com and enter the call letters, then click on “View Coverage.”) You’ll see that each station’s 40 overlaps the other’s 60, meaning the difference is less than 20 dB at some locations. And remember that the digital “HD-1” signal of each station is 40 dB below the level of its own analog signal.

It’s obvious that the unplotted 30dBu of each station would also overlap the other’s 70 dBu (the city-grade, or principal community, contour). And of course, in a broad swath of central New Jersey, some of these NY/Phila first-adjacent pairs have a difference in analog signal strength of less than 10 dB. With first-adjacents this close, how can IBOC signals NOT suffer interference – at times even within their city-grade contours, depending on propagation conditions?

(A suggestion for SayNoToIBOC: Maryland, too, is part of the East Coast "Megalopolis," and should be a happy hunting ground for more such unhappy first-adjacent pairs!)

Can we get things straigh here folks??? It was I that said that I installed HD systems at a previous market. Before I installed the system, I was dead against HD Radio. Then I learned how to do it right, and what it all could do. I was like you writing to stations saying that it is a bad thing. But I learned.

To say that I have a financial interest in HD Radio is hogwash. I presently work for a cluster that has NO HD Radio stations. I happen to manage a couple of AM stations that have transmitters from the early 1960s. I also have on from the 30's. (very cool actually!!) Please dont ASS-U-ME you know what I do or what I stand for. I dont need anyone putting words in my mouth.

So you folks go on yout little witch hunts. But if you do, I suggest that you also look at stations that have their analog signals causing interference. Else you are total hypocrites.
 
I beleive that 1q2w3e is decent person. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt!

I'm curious 1q2w3e what stations you converted that didn't cause interference...

I want to put it into the software and see what we are talking about here...
 
IBOCRocks wrote:
It's pretty obvious so far that the general public doesn't care about HD either way.
After 4 years of promotion and more then a half billion dollars spent on promotions and equipment, the HD radios are still not selling. It is clear the public is not buying this defective HD scheme. So why not end the misguided, problematic HD Radio experiment, turn off the HD Radio adjacent channel interference, and go with a less expensive, compatible system for FM such as FMeXtra www.dreinc.com.
On AM, HD Radio uses half fidelity 5 kHz analog audio, and creates severe 1st and even 2nd adjacent buzz, accelerating AM radio's decline. If broadcasters leave HD buzz on at night the situation for AM will get even worse.
HD Radio hurts, not helps radio. HD is not the savior of radio broadcasting, but it's nemesis.
So much for the IBO-CROCS.
 
"After 4 years of promotion and more then a half billion dollars spent on promotions and equipment, the HD radios are still not selling. It is clear the public is not buying this defective HD scheme. So why not end the misguided, problematic HD Radio experiment, turn off the HD Radio adjacent channel interference, and go with a less expensive, compatible system for FM such as FMeXtra"

Absolutely ! Even after heavy promotions on Amazon.com/hdradio, and after lowering the price of the Receptor HD radio to $240, it still sits at 3,000 - 6,000 on the electronics rankings. Yes, the public has spoken ! I can't wait, untilI get to post the thread that says, iBiquity is bankrupt ! :D

Correction: As of today, 6,500 ! :D
 
now that I'm sold on HD I'm going back to Amazon and appologizing for all those bad votes
 
SaynotoIBOC, you have been reported to management for masquerading as, SayNoToIBOC.
 
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