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Technical Question on Mic Feedback

Can anyone answer why I am getting static and what I am calling mic feedback when Mish Michaels does the weather on CBS 4.

The static and crackling sound only happens when she is in front of the Kyron screen and I wonder if it is some electrical interference I am hearing.

It doesn't happen with any of the anchors at the anchor desk; only when Mish is at the weather screen.
 
A quick TV 101... the "green screen".

> The static and crackling sound only happens when she is in
> front of the Kyron screen and I wonder if it is some
> electrical interference I am hearing.

I am unsure on the mic feedback issue, however allow me to educate you on something. The screen she is standing in front of is a Chroma wall. (Or a Chroma key screen). A solid color which the video switcher takes (through the camera), and replaces with a "fill" video. In her case, either the skycam or weather computer. The two largest weather system manufacturers are WSI and Weather Central. Her graphics are coming from a computer by one of these two companies.

The Chyron is a device called a Charector Generator (a "c.g."). The CG generates the graphic that has her name on the bottom ,or the full screen graphics showing events. In some stations, it also does the graphics over their shoulders.
Chryon is sort of like Kleenex, in that Chryon is actually a brand name, Chryon Inc, for a CG. Chryon makes several model of CGs. There are other companies that also make CG machines, such as Pinnacle Systems(Used by NBC, ESPN, etc...), Inscriber Technologies, and Silicon Graphics.

So now you know! =)
 
Re: A quick TV 101... the "green screen".

Thank you for the information and the brief lesson. I should have known it was Chroma-key and not Kyron but coming out of radio what do I know about this technical "stuff".

I watched the very knowledgeable Mish Michaels tonight and again I had that same static sound only when she was in front of the Chroma-key screen. It is very distracting. Maybe it is my set or Comcast cable interference.
Thanks again. ;-)










> > The static and crackling sound only happens when she is in
>
> > front of the Kyron screen and I wonder if it is some
> > electrical interference I am hearing.
>
> I am unsure on the mic feedback issue, however allow me to
> educate you on something. The screen she is standing in
> front of is a Chroma wall. (Or a Chroma key screen). A solid
> color which the video switcher takes (through the camera),
> and replaces with a "fill" video. In her case, either the
> skycam or weather computer. The two largest weather system
> manufacturers are WSI and Weather Central. Her graphics are
> coming from a computer by one of these two companies.
>
> The Chyron is a device called a Charector Generator (a
> "c.g."). The CG generates the graphic that has her name on
> the bottom ,or the full screen graphics showing events. In
> some stations, it also does the graphics over their
> shoulders.
> Chryon is sort of like Kleenex, in that Chryon is actually a
> brand name, Chryon Inc, for a CG. Chryon makes several model
> of CGs. There are other companies that also make CG
> machines, such as Pinnacle Systems(Used by NBC, ESPN,
> etc...), Inscriber Technologies, and Silicon Graphics.
>
> So now you know! =)
>
 
Re: A quick TV 101... the "green screen".

> I watched the very knowledgeable Mish Michaels tonight and
> again I had that same static sound only when she was in
> front of the Chroma-key screen. It is very distracting.
> Maybe it is my set or Comcast cable interference.
> Thanks again. ;-)
>

Is it a crackling or buzzing type of sound?
If so it's probably a chroma-buzz. (Technically speaking it is when you have too much Chroma gain, and the Chroma sub-carrier gets into a audio sub-carrier).

What you need to do is watch with an antenna on a TV set and see if you see it off the air as well...
 
Re: A quick TV 101... the "green screen".

> Is it a crackling or buzzing type of sound?
> If so it's probably a chroma-buzz. (Technically speaking it
> is when you have too much Chroma gain, and the Chroma
> sub-carrier gets into a audio sub-carrier).

If a buzz, another possibility is excessive whites but
I'm most suspicious of sharp transitions coming out of
the CG (white or near-white characters) setting off
what we'd call "ringing" but has nothing to do with
bells.

With an earlier generation CG I found it necessary to
put a (as I recall) 4.0 MHz brick wall filter just
ahead of the microwave...a Raytheon KTR-1000...that
reacted very badly to that stuff. Not to mention
what happened if it ever made it through to the
GE-TT42 transmitter!

Then there were the GVG 950/955 SPG's and 940 proc
amps that produced incredibly sharp sync tip transitions.
They not only cause ringing and buzz but attracted
unwanted FCC attention! I seriously doubt anybody
is using those for anything in broadcast but it's not
always possible to underrate how cheap some folks can be!
<P ID="signature">______________
Fanatics are picturesque, mankind would rather see gestures than listen to reasons.
--Friedrich Nietzsche</P>
 
Re: A quick TV 101... the "green screen".

IIRC, WBZ-TV is using Microwave Radio Corp.'s "Twin Stream" STLs with auto changeover. I know that WSBK is, but I also seem to recall seeing WBZ using them too.

WBZ-TV analog's transmitter is a Harris Solid State.
 
Re: A quick TV 101... the "green screen".

> IIRC, WBZ-TV is using Microwave Radio Corp.'s "Twin Stream"
> STLs with auto changeover. I know that WSBK is, but I also
> seem to recall seeing WBZ using them too.
>
> WBZ-TV analog's transmitter is a Harris Solid State.
>

If watching Over-the-Air, "Sync buzz" would indicate overdeviation of visual carrier for either STL or TV Transmitter, and station's engineers should verify adjustments.

However, if watching via Cable TV, and station is delivered via fiber feed, then the cable system could have mis-set modulation levels on their fiber link or on their cable channel modulator.

We one time had issues with sync buzz upon bright whites on local cable company traced to a faulty processor's "starved" power supply.
 
my guess...

> Can anyone answer why I am getting static and what I am
> calling mic feedback when Mish Michaels does the weather on
> CBS 4.
>
> The static and crackling sound only happens when she is in
> front of the Kyron screen and I wonder if it is some
> electrical interference I am hearing.
>
> It doesn't happen with any of the anchors at the anchor
> desk; only when Mish is at the weather screen.


I am guessing that she is using a wireless mike when she walks over to the chroma key screen, and that noise is getting in to it that way...
 
Re: my guess...

......WHAT? I didn't know colors interfere with wireless mics.

It's a gain issue. Over-loading the video will interfere with audio. Watch WNDS...or whatever its called today...and you'll get a good example of that.


> > Can anyone answer why I am getting static and what I am
> > calling mic feedback when Mish Michaels does the weather
> on
> > CBS 4.
> >
> > The static and crackling sound only happens when she is in
>
> > front of the Kyron screen and I wonder if it is some
> > electrical interference I am hearing.
> >
> > It doesn't happen with any of the anchors at the anchor
> > desk; only when Mish is at the weather screen.
>
>
> I am guessing that she is using a wireless mike when she
> walks over to the chroma key screen, and that noise is
> getting in to it that way...
>
<P ID="signature">______________
-TheGuy...InTheRadio</P>
 
Re: my guess...

> It's a gain issue. Over-loading the video will interfere
> with audio.

Yea, and the noise is getting into the wireless mike! The poster said he did not notice the noise on any other mikes - just that one...
 
Re: Green wall vs Blue wall

> Some stations like WTNH use blue and other like WVIT use
> green. Why?

Any solid color will work to produce chroma keys. A fairly dark
blue produces good results but the shade of blue is very important.
There's a lot of blue clothing around and a fair number of people
have blue eyes. If you don't keep the shades differentiated you
can end up with some weird results. Also, there's essentially
no blue content in flesh tones (except if the news is exceptionally
dead that night).

Since green produces equally results it's pretty much the choice
of the producers/directors/engineers, etc. at any given station.
Maybe anchors are partial to blue clothing; that would drive the
choice toward green. There's essentially no blue in flesh tones
unless the news is especially nauseating that night.

The choice is driven by preference at the local station.

So what IS chroma key?

A technique whereby, in a video switcher, one exact shade of a
single color is selected. A mask is generated which includes all
of the picture of that color. The mask is turned into a "key"
signal which has no shades or colors; it's all at one very high
video level. That signal is used to switch between two sources.
For example, run a tape of a crowd and the key signal. line by
line, will switch the output video between the crowd scene and
the object (typically a person) which does NOT include the
chosen color. When the line reaches a point in the video where
the selected color does appear it causes a switch back to the
crowd. At one time the quality of the "switch" was pretty bad
and you could see a visible "fringe" around the object. Next
step allowed the object to cast what appeared to be a shadow
on the inserted background. There were expensive devices that
did not use the video internal to the switcher to generate
the effect, rather used the RGB (Red, Green, Blue), signals
directly out of the camera to produce it. Now with lots of
stations using digital switchers, fringing is almost entirely
a non-issue.

BTW....If somebody wanted to play around, you could have a blue
(or green) wall used to generate the key and, instead of using
something off tape or film to produce the "background" signal you
could use a color background generator and turn the blue (or green)
wall into any color you choose! There was this one young female
newsette (PC didn't exist then) who preferred a soft pink
background.....

Back in the day I was party to a series of very-late-night newscasts
that were a spoof of lots that went on in "real" news. Anchor's
names were sometimes intentionally misspelled and, every now and
again, a tight shot on the anchor would use chroma key to rip
the blue out of his eyes and substitute flames off a film. But
only when he was flamingly passionate about a particular story.
Then, as the story ended, the key would be mixed out.

OK, Mr. Gallant...gonna spill the beans on what station that was?
<P ID="signature">______________
Fanatics are picturesque, mankind would rather see gestures than listen to reasons.
--Friedrich Nietzsche</P>
 
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