I've noticed a couple of times while scanning the dial this week that the Temple Owl's basketball has pre-empted Rush on WPHT. I'd have thought they'd air Temple's games on either WIP 610 or 94.1 rather than 1210. Of course maybe CBS is making more money airing their sports talk on WIP than running Rush on WPHT so they make more money running Temple on 1210 rather then WIP AM or FM.
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Temple Owls pre-empt Rush on WPHT
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All of temple's men's basketball games will be heard on WPHT this season, unless the Phillies renew their deal with WPHT.MikefromDelaware said:I've noticed a couple of times while scanning the dial this week that the Temple Owl's basketball has pre-empted Rush on WPHT. I'd have thought they'd air Temple's games on either WIP 610 or 94.1 rather than 1210. Of course maybe CBS is making more money airing their sports talk on WIP than running Rush on WPHT so they make more money running Temple on 1210 rather then WIP AM or FM.
It just surprised me since CBS has two sports/talk stations 610 and 94.1. But as long as 1210 makes good on all the network spots from Rush, I guess the network is happy. I'm not a fan of Rush, but I was just surprised that no one had mentioned it.
Maybe his show isn't pulling in the ratings and local spot revenue in Philly that his show supposedly does in other markets. From what I've heard, Rush gets decent ratings in Wilmington, but from the rare times I've listened, WILM airs a lot of PSA's and almost no local spots during the local avails which would imply the local advertisers in Wilmington don't want to be linked to Limbaugh's show. Maybe a similar thing is happening in Philly, so WPHT actually can make more money pre-empting Rush to air Temple Basketball.
So I'm assuming, based on Julius' comment that the Phillies haven't announced the flag ship station for the Phillies Radio Network for 2012. I'd put them on 94.1 and bump them to 610 when Eagles season starts, assuming the Phillies would go for that sort of a deal. That would free up 1210 to cover Temple sports and other college sports. I guess possibly 97.5 the Fanatic might be trying to gain that flagship status for themselves and as since they don't have the Eagles games, all of the Phillies games could be on 97.5 FM and maybe AM via 950 as well rather than only on 1210 AM as has been done.
Maybe his show isn't pulling in the ratings and local spot revenue in Philly that his show supposedly does in other markets. From what I've heard, Rush gets decent ratings in Wilmington, but from the rare times I've listened, WILM airs a lot of PSA's and almost no local spots during the local avails which would imply the local advertisers in Wilmington don't want to be linked to Limbaugh's show. Maybe a similar thing is happening in Philly, so WPHT actually can make more money pre-empting Rush to air Temple Basketball.
So I'm assuming, based on Julius' comment that the Phillies haven't announced the flag ship station for the Phillies Radio Network for 2012. I'd put them on 94.1 and bump them to 610 when Eagles season starts, assuming the Phillies would go for that sort of a deal. That would free up 1210 to cover Temple sports and other college sports. I guess possibly 97.5 the Fanatic might be trying to gain that flagship status for themselves and as since they don't have the Eagles games, all of the Phillies games could be on 97.5 FM and maybe AM via 950 as well rather than only on 1210 AM as has been done.
MikefromDelaware said:So I'm assuming, based on Julius' comment that the Phillies haven't announced the flag ship station for the Phillies Radio Network for 2012. I'd put them on 94.1 and bump them to 610 when Eagles season starts, assuming the Phillies would go for that sort of a deal.
I think they'd be bumped to 1210 when Eagles season starts, because they'd want the Eagles on 94.1 and 610. A few weeks ago, the bumped Monday Night football, which is on 610 to 1210 because they wanted the Flyers on 94.1 and 610.
Alternatives When AM Programming is Pre-Empted For Revenue Purposes
It's likely bumping or the money's good. PHT's webstream usually runs Rush when the AM signal is leased out for revenue enhancement. Same for baseball preemptions. WNTP does the same thing with their regular lineup when they sell time for sports.
What with the abominable fidelity and interference on over-the-air AM, I listen to 990 exclusively on the webstream and 1210 on WOGL HD3 or the webstream. With hundreds of stations accessible online running syndicated fair, you can hear Rush daily at Noon, 2 and 3PM and in overnight reruns. And it's a chance to check out shows from other markets like Andy Parks on WTNT in the DC market for PM drive. The Washington Times sponsors the show and provides reporters and columnists to discuss their work in advance of release when it ties in to the day's political news. The show also has podcasts. If I get caught in the car during a favorite show, I often defer to satellite or files until I get home and can hear the program in half-decent fidelity. I suspect if the DAR FM recording program catches on, many people will be timeshifting programming based on availability of a decent signal and other priorities.
The only programming that loses value if it's not live is news, sports and local talk on a weekday when news is breaking. I took the train through Philly recently, and ended up waiting for a connection at 30th Street station. I had my great-sounding file player/FM combo with me and yet I couldn't listen to KYW. WIP and WPEN are on FM despite broadcasting mere entertainment programming along with the music jukeboxes. CBS, why not put your must-hear content on the terrestrial band that can still attract listeners rather than keeping it exclusively on a signal that's compromised inside buildings and near computers? And yes, of course the stream should be available for hybrid cell/WiFi devices. Don't know what to do with 1060? Broker it out like 1210. We'll always have the webstream if we want to hear actual programming.
It's likely bumping or the money's good. PHT's webstream usually runs Rush when the AM signal is leased out for revenue enhancement. Same for baseball preemptions. WNTP does the same thing with their regular lineup when they sell time for sports.
What with the abominable fidelity and interference on over-the-air AM, I listen to 990 exclusively on the webstream and 1210 on WOGL HD3 or the webstream. With hundreds of stations accessible online running syndicated fair, you can hear Rush daily at Noon, 2 and 3PM and in overnight reruns. And it's a chance to check out shows from other markets like Andy Parks on WTNT in the DC market for PM drive. The Washington Times sponsors the show and provides reporters and columnists to discuss their work in advance of release when it ties in to the day's political news. The show also has podcasts. If I get caught in the car during a favorite show, I often defer to satellite or files until I get home and can hear the program in half-decent fidelity. I suspect if the DAR FM recording program catches on, many people will be timeshifting programming based on availability of a decent signal and other priorities.
The only programming that loses value if it's not live is news, sports and local talk on a weekday when news is breaking. I took the train through Philly recently, and ended up waiting for a connection at 30th Street station. I had my great-sounding file player/FM combo with me and yet I couldn't listen to KYW. WIP and WPEN are on FM despite broadcasting mere entertainment programming along with the music jukeboxes. CBS, why not put your must-hear content on the terrestrial band that can still attract listeners rather than keeping it exclusively on a signal that's compromised inside buildings and near computers? And yes, of course the stream should be available for hybrid cell/WiFi devices. Don't know what to do with 1060? Broker it out like 1210. We'll always have the webstream if we want to hear actual programming.
I suspect if the DAR FM recording program catches on, many people will be timeshifting programming based on availability of a decent signal and other priorities.
Nice... It just so happens I'm catching up on "Open Line Friday" right now as I read this-- at 3:30 AM-- thanks to DAR FM. Didn't know it was pre-empted by WPHT on Friday. Don't care. With a few exceptions, I haven't listened to terrestrial radio whatsoever since finally taking the plunge and getting "smartphones" last month. It's only been five weeks, and quite frankly I already cannot imagine life without it-- mainly for how it has completely changed how I consume aural programming. And all for the better. Ten-fold.
Even before I got the fancy-schmancy mobile, I had been listening to Beck, Rush, and Hannity via WAEB's web feed distributed through my house thanks to an in-home FM transmitter. So I guess I was still using terrestrial radio-- or at least the technology. I got tired of WPHT's endless pre-emptions, annoying stationality, and worst of all-- it's horrible signal (with regard to both fidelity and interference). The sound of the station's web feed didn't hold a candle to WAEB's also.
A station's got to do what it's got to do. I get that. So the most listened-to talk show in America gets bumped for a game that interests maybe 1% of the station's audience on a *good* day. Again, I get it. But *I've* got to do what *I've* got to do too.
Until recently I relied on a-- shall I say, "undocumented FM station"-- available near my place of work that regularly carries talk shows (presumably via a web feed) when they're pre-empted by WPHT and others. Now, thanks to my Android device, I can get whatever I want, whenever I want, wherever I want. And since DAR FM automatically sends the full files podcast-style to my phone using free Wi-Fi, it uses zero of my 4G data allotment. So I can use the whole two gigs a month to live stream any station I want while commuting. I use the hell out of it. Sometimes I forget to turn it off. I have yet to exceed even half the allowance. Unbelievably amazing.
Terrestrial radio, nice knowin' ya.
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While driving the car, I still prefer over-the-air radio. Thus, I had to listen to Rush on WILM, which I do not like doing. But at least they have some new ads, so I don't have to listen to the "Smokey" and "Green" PSAs.
You don't like listening to Rush or you don't like listening to WILM?
I agree, the endless parade of PSAs on these streams is pathetic. It's mind-boggling that, considering Clear Channel probably owns 30-50 Limbaugh affiliates, there's seemingly no efforts to sell ad time on the streams on an aggregate basis. Pool together the cume for all of these combined streams. It can't be worse than these obnoxious PSAs and sloppy, outdated barter inserts.
I agree, the endless parade of PSAs on these streams is pathetic. It's mind-boggling that, considering Clear Channel probably owns 30-50 Limbaugh affiliates, there's seemingly no efforts to sell ad time on the streams on an aggregate basis. Pool together the cume for all of these combined streams. It can't be worse than these obnoxious PSAs and sloppy, outdated barter inserts.
I think they'd be bumped to 1210 when Eagles season starts, because they'd want the Eagles on 94.1 and 610. A few weeks ago, the bumped Monday Night football, which is on 610 to 1210 because they wanted the Flyers on 94.1 and 610.
That makes sense. So 1210 is the overflow station for sports coverage for CBS (apparently they can make more money via local spots on 1210 doing overflow sports coverage than airing Rush - as Limbaugh likes to say, follow the money). In any case, that is great for tri-state sports listeners as there can be 3 different choices of sports listening from CBS, not to mention the two other possible choices via the Fanatic AM/FM set up. That's a lot of sports and sports/talk, but then again, Philly is a sports town.
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One staff, less cost. Not hard to do that math, when the alternative was a flailing mess.
Not alternative music. Look up the definition of the word alternative in a dictionary. It doesn't say music. Try dictionary.comJohn Holcomb II said:I wouldn't have called WYSP alturnative... not this time around.
Hmmm. simmocastingone staff = one format AM/FM combo, = less veriety on the radio . Bigger money makers, sadder for a listener
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But with "fewer" stations, one could broaden his/her horizons, perhaps by taking a class in a topic like art appreciation, line dancing or English.
I'm glad I have Sirius-XM to listen to Hannity, Levin, and music. I'm glad I have my iPhone with unlimited data so I can stream Rush from WABC. Don't really listen to 1210 anymore. I used to get really pissed when they would preempt Rush for Phillies but streaming WABC sounds better that 1210 with static. Can't really figure out why day games wouldn't be on 610 in the old days. Why can't Owls be on 610 and WIP be on 94.1. That's what having 2 WIP stations give you the ability to do. CBS doesn't need to steal the talk station away when they have 2 sports stations now. They have already split up WIP AM and FM for a sports event.
John Holcomb II said:Why pu the exact same thing on 94.1 and 610?
Same for 97.5 and 950?
Cheaper to run one format on two stations?
To get credit from Arbitron as a "simulcast" station, you must simulcast 100% of the time. Split the stations even once...and you're not considered a "simulcast" station by Arbitron.
I find that my Grace web tuner gets about 93% of my radio listening time, the XM satellite radio about 4% and 3% for the Sony HD. If it weren't for the wonderful WPEN-FM HD2, KYW on WIP-FM HD2 and the current novelty of WDAS(AM) on WISX HD2, I might never turn the terrestrial thing on. The interference on even the most powerful AM HDs makes them unlistenable and WPHT's leased time programming has made it the last go-to source for talk.
And once web radio and hard drives get a foothold in car dashes (hopefully with a recording/caching/time-shifting capability for those areas with bad or no reception), terrestrial will have to rely solely on unique content, its relative ubiquity and low cost to differentiate itself. Or for AM to go completely brokered, the next to last step in returning the tower sites to nature....
And once web radio and hard drives get a foothold in car dashes (hopefully with a recording/caching/time-shifting capability for those areas with bad or no reception), terrestrial will have to rely solely on unique content, its relative ubiquity and low cost to differentiate itself. Or for AM to go completely brokered, the next to last step in returning the tower sites to nature....
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