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Th return of the WBCN/WAAF war

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Much props to Toucher and Rich for their handling of the waaf "locobazooka" situation, I had pointed out years ago that the way it's really just "pay to play" which is of no benefit to local bands. From a radio perspective though it's genius on T and R's part becasue now that they're bashing the station's big summer promotion and a huge part of the waaf imaging, more people who are waaf p1's know who Toucher and Rich are than ever would have known had they not launched the attack. There are differing schools of thought when it comes to acknowledging a competitor on air, the prevailing theory is NEVER DO IT, but for Toucher and Rich two complete unknowns in the market it's a good and smart strategy.

Big ups to them and good luck!. 8) 8)
 
The lineup for this year's loco thingy looks a lot better than is some recent years past. Maybe that will make it into a better vehicle for AAF.
 
Isn't WAAF involved in the "Boston Music Awards"? These shows have no more sparkle. The WBCN Rumble was over this year before it started (did they change it to April or something?) No one remembers who played in it or even who won. It's become that invisible. Was a time the winning band became a local headliner bringing in the big coin - and it was healthy for the scene to have a visible new headliner. As fixed as the rumbles were alleged to be, some good came out of it on certain years, some years it hurt the scene. But there was some upside to it once in awhile.

http://www.lollapalooza.com/ on the other hand is not going to establish any local group, not the way a song played day in and day out on a station getting a 4 share would help generate a buzz.
 
In years past they have been involved with Boston music awards and the NEMO conference but the past couple of years NEMO has been bcn's. More importantly trust me the Rumble is never fixed, if it were dont you think the most commercially viable bands would have won instead of the bands that actually HAVE won?. If it were bands like the Dresden dolls would not have won, they are interesting enough for what they do but they're not the type of band poised to crossover for mainstream success just by the nature of what they do. Know what I mean?
 
Re: The return of the WBCN/WAAF war

The WBCN rumble was definitely "fixed" many times over. There was a Rumble with "Rods & Cones" wowing the audience. They lost. Some really great bands lost. My band and Girls Night Out were two of the only bands to say "NO" to performing at the Rumble. It was a cardinal sin not to play. My band was signed to the French
New Rose label (which opened the door for Willie Loco, The Lyres, John Hovorka and so many other bands).
There was too much to risk having a signed band perform - do potentially as well as Rods & Cones, and find out that the judges had pre-chosen the Winner.

Nik, you weren't in this town back in the day. I have a signed letter from the leader of Gangreen that Oedipus
called him to play the Rumble because they were chosen to win in advance. They did win, over Johnny A.
Now I like BOTH bands, however, Johnny A is still selling tons of records today (on Steve Vai's label, "Favored Nations"). Gangreen might do a reunion show or two, but they just didn't have the lasting power of Johnny A,
who went on to record an album with Peter Wolf.

The letter was published in a local magazine and Oedipus never sued Gangreen for defamation of character.
Most of the people agreed that Johnny A had edged out Gangreen, but Oedipus' decision was final.

That wasn't the only rumble - anyone in the loop knows of a MAJOR fix that was in prompting a major force in the city to say in disgust "How does this help anyone?" This was years before Nik came to town - and the information is out there if you go looking.

The Rumble is fixed. Saying "No" to it is what started the whole problem with Oedipus. We used to be civil to each other - heck, I bought him dunkin donuts & coffee; used to drive the dude home. Heck - Oedi said to me at The Rat one night when "The Nerves" were playing "Count, walk me out so they don't see me leaving."
No problem, Oedi. Those were different times. I had to leave too - the band couldn't cut it. The difference between me and Oedi? I tell someone to their face "Hey, you can improve by doing this." Oedipus slips out the door. Just two different styles, that's all. There is evidence that 3 Rumbles were "Fixed" and Nik Carter was not in Boston when it happened. Maybe they cleaned the act up when Nik got here. Hasn't Nik stated on the air that the place was a den of sin before he got there and he wished he was there during those days (Nik said it jokingly, of course, and paraphrased here, but Nik did reference that on the air, didn't he???)
 
Nik,

for those of us who might've missed it, and in my case, outside the market, cold you please explain what the new guys at BCN said about Loco?
 
Jiffy Lube-si-Lou - it's Varulven, not Valvoline. The City Hall Concerts pretty much had the plug pulled on them so they couldn't be fixed.

By it's very nature a "BCN Rumble" or "Battle of the bands" is not supportive of local music - pitting colleagues against each other for a Top "prize", such as it is. Unless you put the "Rumble" together there's no one I know that can name any band out of the past 7 rumbles except for maybe The Dresden Dolls, and that's because
one of the members uses the name of a famous Boston rocker that everyone thinks has decided to play out again. Joe Jagger, Nik McCartney, NeanderHendrix, Brian Viglione, ya get the drift.
 
Neanderpaul said:
Nik,

for those of us who might've missed it, and in my case, outside the market, cold you please explain what the new guys at BCN said about Loco?
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Well here's a brief rundown....T & R went on the air calling out locobazooka for having a crappy lineup this year that isn't worth $60 a ticket, and pointed out that bands have to fron $6,000 in order to play, as you know the $6,00 in essence purchases the tickets in which the bands will sell. T & R Decided this was unfair for any local struggling band to come up with $6,000 so they sai dthe first 3 bands who decide to drop out of Locobazooka, they will give them the shot to play in front of an actual record producer. T & R went onto explain that paying 6 grand to play at 10:30 am was a complete waste of money. Hope that helps paul

-Travis-
 
Varulven said:
Jiffy Lube-si-Lou - it's Varulven, not Valvoline. The City Hall Concerts pretty much had the plug pulled on them so they couldn't be fixed.

By it's very nature a "BCN Rumble" or "Battle of the bands" is not supportive of local music - pitting colleagues against each other for a Top "prize", such as it is. Unless you put the "Rumble" together there's no one I know that can name any band out of the past 7 rumbles except for maybe The Dresden Dolls, and that's because
one of the members uses the name of a famous Boston rocker that everyone thinks has decided to play out again. Joe Jagger, Nik McCartney, NeanderHendrix, Brian Viglione, ya get the drift.
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It's not supportive of locan bands?>....
WEll it's known that you're programmed to disagree with anything I say without even listening anyway, Ive judged the rumble a few years Joe, I was there, and Im not talking about in 1980 ( like your Gang GReen reference) but within the past ten years, and trust me it's not "fixed" I have WANTED some of the slicker more commercial bands to win but the prevailing attitude of many judges is " no they're too commercial" etc which I would argue with certain judges that made no snese, wasnt the point to get a band to the next level whatever that may be so that they were not playing TT's every Tuesday to no one?..................... Joe not everything attached to WBCN is born of some conspiracy, just because you did not make it does not mean that there is something wrong with the system.

It's not supportive of local bands becuase it's a contest?...IT's not some evil "sophie's choice" scenario, it's not pitting bands against each other in a malicious sense, to say that that hurts the local music scene is just bitter demented sour grapes, nothing more.
 
Did you know that in 1970 someone killed a bunny on purpose at WAAF?

Hence, all the staff that have ever worked there are Satan worshipers. In a magazine someone claimed this all and they weren't sued so it must be true!
 
Nik, with the way you've gone after Orleans, have shown you know who REALLY (sic) wrote (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction, if you really think your lack of knowledge helps a band when you vote for them in a dog and pony show battle of the bands - helps them more than a record deal in Europe, there is absolutely no way to talk logically to you. It is irrational to think anyone who "wins" a contest is validated in any way, shape or form with a vote from a d.j. that assaults a great 70's band who never did anything to you.

Fascinating that the Rumble has had no lasting impact on the majority of bands who performed it; but record deals in Europe get those acts a few thou in expenses AND pressing and distribution - lots more valuable - no matter what you and Lucy want to chirp.
 
Smoke said:
Did you know that in 1970 someone killed a bunny on purpose at WAAF?

Hence, all the staff that have ever worked there are Satan worshipers. In a magazine someone claimed this all and they weren't sued so it must be true!
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Guilty as charged!

;)
 
Varulven said:
Nik, with the way you've gone after Orleans, have shown you know who REALLY (sic) wrote (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction, if you really think your lack of knowledge helps a band when you vote for them in a dog and pony show battle of the bands - helps them more than a record deal in Europe, there is absolutely no way to talk logically to you. It is irrational to think anyone who "wins" a contest is validated in any way, shape or form with a vote from a d.j. that assaults a great 70's band who never did anything to you.

Fascinating that the Rumble has had no lasting impact on the majority of bands who performed it; but record deals in Europe get those acts a few thou in expenses AND pressing and distribution - lots more valuable - no matter what you and Lucy want to chirp.
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Excuse me...what does this have to do with "the return of the BCN/AAF war?"

I actually want to read about that facet of this topic.
 
Dude I admit it I was incorrect I got "satisfaction" confused with "Respect" which Otis Redding DID write, I made a mistake, sue me!. As for the topic Paul I was in Town all last week and between O and A and Toucher and Rich hammering "mantown" and Toucher and Rich hammering "locobazooka" as the pay to play situation it is, it's a full frontal assault. Smartly for the first time ever AAF is not mentioning the war, the other station, anything. FOr once ROn Valeri made a smart prgramming decision becuaaaaaase if they shoot back against O and A it will be OVER. THe thing is you know Carrie has to be going INSANE over this not being able to respond with a ten minute break about how aaf helps so many bands (lol) and how corproate bcn is and her usual littany of anti bcn thoughts.
 
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