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The “Progressive Talk” label misnomer

I wonder if Keys is another Realist's multiple personalities and this thread is mostly him talking to and agreeing with himself.
Back to your old tricks again, Scott?
 
However, they have yet to logically defend their incorrect use of the term when broadly referring to liberal talk radio.

So, you've noticed that as well.

Back to your old tricks again, Scott?

There are three people who know with absolute certainty that I am not this "Scott" person you keep referring to. I know that I am not Scott. The Moderator knows that I am not Scott. And Scott knows that I am not Scott.
 
fred flintstone said:
I wonder if Keys is another Realist's multiple personalities and this thread is mostly him talking to and agreeing with himself.
Back to your old tricks again, Scott?
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I can assure you that I am not he. And once again, rather than address the topic with logic, you throw out silly accusations because you don't know what else to say.
 
Typical Tildeisms. ::)

Different personalities, different biographical references can't disguise the unique Tilde style.
I know nothing is happening on your board since you keep deleting and banning anyone who disagrees with you.
But for a while there, you were winning every arguement that way.
 
fred flintstone said:
Typical Tildeisms. ::)

Different personalities, different biographical references can't disguise the unique Tilde style.
I know nothing is happening on your board since you keep deleting and banning anyone who disagrees with you.
But for a while there, you were winning every arguement that way.
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Wow. What in the world are you talking about? All I can see is that once again you have failed to address the topic.
 
I addressed the topic a long time ago - in both threads.
What was the point anyway?
 
keys2 said:
Radio_Realist said:
He reminds me of the news/talk host who hasn't mastered steering discussions who has to over use his cancel button on callers that he disagrees with since he can't deal with them head-to-head. That's why he attempts to make threads where he has made himself look like a fool disappear by launching large numbers of redundant threads on the same topic. Look at how many threads he's launched about AAR's going bankrupt. Look at how many others he launches with nothing but a cut & paste clip from somebody else.

He's trying to make other threads in which he was embarrassed by being out-argued go away.
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So it would seem. Notice too that others who have insisted on using the term “progressive talk” have quietly let this thread go away. Instead Realist, they just fire back for harping on this topic. However, they have yet to logically defend their incorrect use of the term when broadly referring to liberal talk radio.
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Since Radio Realist and Keys2 are the same person this makes the 48th and 49th time that RR/Keys2 has made a post on whether left wing talk radio should be called "liberal" or "progressive." I've got a proposal to end this tiresome discussion. How about RR calls it "Liberal" talk radio and Keys2 calls is "Progressive" talk radio and both of you move on to another topic.
 
"Since Radio Realist and Keys2 are the same person"

But we aren't the same person.

I've got a proposal to end this tiresome discussion.

I've got a counter-proposal. You can simply get over it. If you don't like reading about something that fundamental to news/talk radio, skip the posts in which it is mentioned.
 
Scott, whenever one of your personalties was "outed," your response has always been deny-deny-deny.

What you (in both identitites) don't get is this is not fundamental to talk radio or anything else. I agree: It's branding.

And, Scott, your history has always been not to let a thread die until you have gotten the LAST word.
 
keys2 said:
Still seems to me that liberals tend to be afraid of the L word.
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This is a pointless thread. Ultimately who cares? Progressive talk is a marketing label, and listening to the myriad of hosts on AAR and other libtalk shows, they all call themselves progressive and liberal.

There is no mystery about why these two terms have been bandied about. Conservatives spent millions demonizing the word "liberal" since Reagan came to power. The mistake liberals made was not being willing to fight back, assuming it wasn't that important to waste time and energy on labels. And they were wrong to do so, and in this country, not fighting fire with more fire is considered "weak."

As a liberal, I can say I have used both phrases and I consider them essentially interchangeable. Progressive doesn't carry the "baggage" that liberal now does, and because one will have to spend a lot of time and effort trying to undue the demonization of the word before people get past it, why not just change the word? This is hardly something new. People change strategies and words all the time especially in marketing.

We have a lot of Republicans running for office this term that never mention they are "conservative" or Republican in their ad pieces at all, because those polled negatively during this election cycle.

I'd say being called "pro-Bush" in this election cycle is a death wish in a lot of areas, so they just don't do it.

I am surprised if anyone really didn't know all this already before they started a thread about it.
 
fred flintstone said:
Scott, whenever one of your personalties was "outed," your response has always been deny-deny-deny.

What you (in both identitites) don't get is this is not fundamental to talk radio or anything else. I agree: It's branding.

And, Scott, your history has always been not to let a thread die until you have gotten the LAST word.
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Fred, arent you the guy that admitted he used multiple identities, as noted in your sidebar? Mwebster,Emacee,etc..?
Pot=Kettle ::)
 
I like the truth, I think the term liberal being correctly identified for what it is based solely on facts is a good thing, but it is a free country so some are free to Phil their time by trying to be deceitful.

If they want a new term that is fine too, but I guess it would go against their beliefs to be honest about it so "regressives" or "Marxist Americans" wont work.
 
Pot=Kettle

The thing is, though Flinstone may indeed be a pot, I am not the kettle.
 
Radio_Realist said:
I've got a counter-proposal. You can simply get over it. If you don't like reading about something that fundamental to news/talk radio, skip the posts in which it is mentioned.
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It's not fundamental. It's just a point. Once it's made -- people can comment on it. Then it's time to move on to something else. Not to keep repeating the point over and over again.
 
"It's not fundamental. It's just a point. Once it's made -- people can comment on it. Then it's time to move on to something else. Not to keep repeating the point over and over again."

Look, you made your point many times over. You don't like to hear discussions over semantics, even if they are about the fundamental core of News/Talk radio. You don't need to keep repeating that you don't want to hear that point repeated, you've repeated the point that you don't like hearing about it many, many times. I get it. You don't like reading about the proper term to describe talk show hosts on the political left.

How many times must you repeat that opinion? Don't you think you've made your point yet? It's not like you ever bring a new argument or a new perspective to your dislike of that topic. If I bring a new argument or new perspective to that topic, you still give the same knee-jerk response that you don't like it. I understand. You don't like it.

How many more times are you going to say that you don't like it?

BTW, strictly for the record. I didn't launch this thread. Someone else did. If you have a problem with this entire thread, take it up with the person who launched it, and/or the moderator. I'm tired of you having nothing to say but to whine about your dislike of this topic.
 
Phillip Dampier said:
This is a pointless thread. Ultimately who cares? Progressive talk is a marketing label, and listening to the myriad of hosts on AAR and other libtalk shows, they all call themselves progressive and liberal.

There is no mystery about why these two terms have been bandied about. Conservatives spent millions demonizing the word "liberal" since Reagan came to power. The mistake liberals made was not being willing to fight back, assuming it wasn't that important to waste time and energy on labels. And they were wrong to do so, and in this country, not fighting fire with more fire is considered "weak."

As a liberal, I can say I have used both phrases and I consider them essentially interchangeable. Progressive doesn't carry the "baggage" that liberal now does, and because one will have to spend a lot of time and effort trying to undue the demonization of the word before people get past it, why not just change the word? This is hardly something new. People change strategies and words all the time especially in marketing.

We have a lot of Republicans running for office this term that never mention they are "conservative" or Republican in their ad pieces at all, because those polled negatively during this election cycle.

I'd say being called "pro-Bush" in this election cycle is a death wish in a lot of areas, so they just don't do it.

I am surprised if anyone really didn't know all this already before they started a thread about it.
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It is unfortunate that the thread devolved into your thinking it is pointless. I believe my original assertion indeed made a good point. You too make a good point in that some liberals use the words interchangeably and as far as radio is concerned it’s about marketing. But I still maintain that literally-speaking, the “progressive talk” label is technically incorrect by “progressives’” own definition. You say who cares. I say liberals who seem more concerned about what image they project than what is reality. And if it were the other way around, I guarantee liberals would be calling out conservatives too.

With all due respect, rather than insinuate it was unnecessary to begin this thread in the first place, maybe you should call out your fellow liberal for allowing his political obsessions to take over, failing to address the topic, attempting to deflect the topic, saying I know nothing about radio or politics, and accusing me of being people I am not.
 
Radio_Realist said:
How many times must you repeat that opinion? Don't you think you've made your point yet? It's not like you ever bring a new argument or a new perspective to your dislike of that topic. If I bring a new argument or new perspective to that topic, you still give the same knee-jerk response that you don't like it. I understand. You don't like it.
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Every time that you bring up this point I will reply to it. You ask me "don't you think you've made your point yet? I ask you the same thing. When you stop hammering away on this subject I will stop responding.
 
keys2 said:
With all due respect, rather than insinuate it was unnecessary to begin this thread in the first place, maybe you should call out your fellow liberal for allowing his political obsessions to take over, failing to address the topic, attempting to deflect the topic, saying I know nothing about radio or politics, and accusing me of being people I am not.
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If I were true to form with most of the conservatives in the Off the Air board, I'd be agreeing with everything anyone remotely agreeing with me would say about anything. :)

But on point, discussing a topic is different from debating personalities. I don't use a handle here - I use my real name. It makes it very easy to tell whose posts belong to who, no handle change or multiple accounts required. Since I do not have the facts about who is writing under what account, let me suggest that specific point is completely irrelevent to the discussion at hand (which in and of itself is not exactly that important either.)

I do agree that namecalling and repetitious "you are, no I'm not, you are, no I'm not" threads really don't belong here.
 
"You ask me "don't you think you've made your point yet? I ask you the same thing."

And I answered you. I have, from time to time, offered alternative reasons as to why it is what it is. I have, from time to time, offered additional reasonings behind my position. I have attempted to bring different perspectives to the issue. You, on the other hand, just keep repeating the mantra "I don't wanna hear it no more", even when the "it" in question is quite different from what arguments I might have used earlier to reinforce my assertions.

So, I'll re-phrase my question, just as a good talk show host would when dealing with a recalcitrant caller. When are you going to offer some variation or reasoning behind your antipathy for that particular issue? When are you going to explain why you have such a pathological aversion to that topic? Is there some deeper motivation behind your over-reaction?

If you were a talk show host yourself, how would you react if callers to your show were to want to discuss that issue?
 
Typical Tilde.
Keeping beating a dead horse until everybody else gets tired of playing and goes home.
Then make the last post and claim victory.

I believe my original assertion indeed made a good point.
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Your assertion was hardly original, "Keys." It had already been beaten to death in two earlier threads you started under "Radio Real Estate" personality.

This gets the stupidist topic of the year award.
A topic only ditto heads could love.
If this is such a good point, call Rush tomorrow and see if you can get on his show with this topic.
 
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