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wxctintern
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Contract or no Contract if I was programming ABC Family I would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue over it I'd say "Bring it On".
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> Contract or no Contract if I was programming ABC Family I
> would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue over
> it I'd say "Bring it On".
>
I agree. And along with Robertson,take Kenneth Copeland and all of the beggar preachers off as well. I'm just about tired of hypocritical preachers who say one thing and the next don't do anything but beg and lie and steal and make accusations for an hour. There is nothing Christian about them anyways. I would rather see some reruns of some classic TV than to suffer through their speil. I don't even watch them so what am I saying.
As you said,Bring It On. Disney should give Robertson any amount of money for him to go off the air and the sooner the better.
> would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue over
> it I'd say "Bring it On".
>
I agree. And along with Robertson,take Kenneth Copeland and all of the beggar preachers off as well. I'm just about tired of hypocritical preachers who say one thing and the next don't do anything but beg and lie and steal and make accusations for an hour. There is nothing Christian about them anyways. I would rather see some reruns of some classic TV than to suffer through their speil. I don't even watch them so what am I saying.
As you said,Bring It On. Disney should give Robertson any amount of money for him to go off the air and the sooner the better.
About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> > Contract or no Contract if I was programming ABC Family I
> > would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue
> over
> > it I'd say "Bring it On".
> >
I'm wondering if anyone knows what the current agreement between ABC Family and CBN/The 700 Club is.
I know that the channel was at one time fully owned by Pat Robertson and CBN, but was then sold to News Corp/Fox--then sold to Disney/ABC.
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> > Contract or no Contract if I was programming ABC Family I
> > would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue
> over
> > it I'd say "Bring it On".
> >
I'm wondering if anyone knows what the current agreement between ABC Family and CBN/The 700 Club is.
I know that the channel was at one time fully owned by Pat Robertson and CBN, but was then sold to News Corp/Fox--then sold to Disney/ABC.
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Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> Just how ironclad is the agreement to air "The 700 Club" and
> other related programming?
>
Don't know, but I have a feeling that the words "in perpetuality" is in ABC Family's contract (and Fox Family's as well).
Also, as long as 700 is on a national major cable channel, meaning extra exposure for Pat and his drivel, Disney can offer Pat Fort Knox, but wouldn't be enough to dissolve the contract.
> Just how ironclad is the agreement to air "The 700 Club" and
> other related programming?
>
Don't know, but I have a feeling that the words "in perpetuality" is in ABC Family's contract (and Fox Family's as well).
Also, as long as 700 is on a national major cable channel, meaning extra exposure for Pat and his drivel, Disney can offer Pat Fort Knox, but wouldn't be enough to dissolve the contract.
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AirwaveSurfer
Guest
A Sensible Solution to the 700 Club Mess
> Contract or no Contract if I was programming ABC Family I
> would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue over
> it I'd say "Bring it On".
>
If I ran Disney, here's how I'd "pull" Pat Robertson's programming.
1. I'd sell ABC Family back to CBN.
2. Then, I'd use the money from the sale to have Disney start a new "family" cable channel over which the company could have full control over programming.
3. Finally, I'd have my lieutenants throughout Disney fight to the death to have this new channel compete with or even replace the one being sold back to CBN on cable and satellite services nationwide.
Unfortunately, this idea probably makes way too much sense for anyone in either Burbank or Virginia Beach to embrace.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Contract or no Contract if I was programming ABC Family I
> would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue over
> it I'd say "Bring it On".
>
If I ran Disney, here's how I'd "pull" Pat Robertson's programming.
1. I'd sell ABC Family back to CBN.
2. Then, I'd use the money from the sale to have Disney start a new "family" cable channel over which the company could have full control over programming.
3. Finally, I'd have my lieutenants throughout Disney fight to the death to have this new channel compete with or even replace the one being sold back to CBN on cable and satellite services nationwide.
Unfortunately, this idea probably makes way too much sense for anyone in either Burbank or Virginia Beach to embrace.<P ID="signature">______________
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RobertMoore
Guest
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> > Just how ironclad is the agreement to air "The 700 Club"
> and
> > other related programming?
> >
> Don't know, but I have a feeling that the words "in
> perpetuality" is in ABC Family's contract (and Fox Family's
> as well).
>
> Also, as long as 700 is on a national major cable channel,
> meaning extra exposure for Pat and his drivel, Disney can
> offer Pat Fort Knox, but wouldn't be enough to dissolve the
> contract.
But Disney owns or has rights to all of the shows that air on the channel. If Robertson won't sell they should give him his channel back and let Disney relaunch ABC Family as a new channel.
> > Just how ironclad is the agreement to air "The 700 Club"
> and
> > other related programming?
> >
> Don't know, but I have a feeling that the words "in
> perpetuality" is in ABC Family's contract (and Fox Family's
> as well).
>
> Also, as long as 700 is on a national major cable channel,
> meaning extra exposure for Pat and his drivel, Disney can
> offer Pat Fort Knox, but wouldn't be enough to dissolve the
> contract.
But Disney owns or has rights to all of the shows that air on the channel. If Robertson won't sell they should give him his channel back and let Disney relaunch ABC Family as a new channel.
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AirwaveSurfer
Guest
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> > > Just how ironclad is the agreement to air "The 700 Club"
>
> > and
> > > other related programming?
> > >
> > Don't know, but I have a feeling that the words "in
> > perpetuality" is in ABC Family's contract (and Fox
> Family's
> > as well).
> >
> > Also, as long as 700 is on a national major cable channel,
>
> > meaning extra exposure for Pat and his drivel, Disney can
> > offer Pat Fort Knox, but wouldn't be enough to dissolve
> the
> > contract.
>
> But Disney owns or has rights to all of the shows that air
> on the channel. If Robertson won't sell they should give him
> his channel back and let Disney relaunch ABC Family as a new
> channel.
>
LOL...I just made more or less the same suggestion in this thread!
Great minds think alike, I suppose.
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> > > Just how ironclad is the agreement to air "The 700 Club"
>
> > and
> > > other related programming?
> > >
> > Don't know, but I have a feeling that the words "in
> > perpetuality" is in ABC Family's contract (and Fox
> Family's
> > as well).
> >
> > Also, as long as 700 is on a national major cable channel,
>
> > meaning extra exposure for Pat and his drivel, Disney can
> > offer Pat Fort Knox, but wouldn't be enough to dissolve
> the
> > contract.
>
> But Disney owns or has rights to all of the shows that air
> on the channel. If Robertson won't sell they should give him
> his channel back and let Disney relaunch ABC Family as a new
> channel.
>
LOL...I just made more or less the same suggestion in this thread!
Great minds think alike, I suppose.
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> Contract or no Contract if I was programming ABC Family I
> would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue over
> it I'd say "Bring it On".
If there's no way to remove Pat from the channel, Disney could afford to (and probably should) just take the channel dark. End it. Move some of the original programming over to the existing Disney channels to park it there before launching something new and better.
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> would pull The 700 Club. And if Robertson wants to sue over
> it I'd say "Bring it On".
If there's no way to remove Pat from the channel, Disney could afford to (and probably should) just take the channel dark. End it. Move some of the original programming over to the existing Disney channels to park it there before launching something new and better.
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wxctintern
Guest
Re: A Sensible Solution to the 700 Club Mess
From what I heard ABC doesn't even want to own a "family" network. I heard the contract with Pat Robertson requires them to keep the name "family" in it.
From what I heard ABC doesn't even want to own a "family" network. I heard the contract with Pat Robertson requires them to keep the name "family" in it.
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KMRichards
Guest
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> > > Don't know, but I have a feeling that the words "in
> > > perpetuality" is in ABC Family's contract (and Fox
> > Family's
> > > as well).
> > >
> > > Also, as long as 700 is on a national major cable
> channel,
> >
> > > meaning extra exposure for Pat and his drivel, Disney
> can
> > > offer Pat Fort Knox, but wouldn't be enough to dissolve
> > the
> > > contract.
How about this idea:
ABC cancels all programming on Family other than 700 Club, replacing it with infomercials.
Then they start a new channel, which they market to all the cable and satellite operators, agreeing to cancel the contracts to carry Family in return for carrying the new channel.
ABC then gets the infomercial revenue from whatever cable operators still carry Family, but Robertson gets fewer and fewer viewers until he has to give up the ghost (preferably Casper).
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> > > Don't know, but I have a feeling that the words "in
> > > perpetuality" is in ABC Family's contract (and Fox
> > Family's
> > > as well).
> > >
> > > Also, as long as 700 is on a national major cable
> channel,
> >
> > > meaning extra exposure for Pat and his drivel, Disney
> can
> > > offer Pat Fort Knox, but wouldn't be enough to dissolve
> > the
> > > contract.
How about this idea:
ABC cancels all programming on Family other than 700 Club, replacing it with infomercials.
Then they start a new channel, which they market to all the cable and satellite operators, agreeing to cancel the contracts to carry Family in return for carrying the new channel.
ABC then gets the infomercial revenue from whatever cable operators still carry Family, but Robertson gets fewer and fewer viewers until he has to give up the ghost (preferably Casper).
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studiotwenty
Guest
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> How about this idea:
>
> ABC cancels all programming on Family other than 700 Club,
> replacing it with infomercials.
>
> Then they start a new channel, which they market to all the
> cable and satellite operators, agreeing to cancel the
> contracts to carry Family in return for carrying the new
> channel.
>
> ABC then gets the infomercial revenue from whatever cable
> operators still carry Family, but Robertson gets fewer and
> fewer viewers until he has to give up the ghost (preferably
> Casper).
>
The 700 Club would have 700 lawyers before the FCC, and whatever other entities they could preach to....not to mention a slew of letters and emails to advertisers of all ABC/ESPN/Disney programming, claiming religious persecution.
Itll blow over...though I catagorically disagree with Robertson on this, I hope it brings US attention to Chavez and the entire Central/South American situation vis a vis the USA.
It ain't good, and it has the long term potential to make the Iraq war look small in comparison. One US chopper was forced to land Thursday after illegal immigrants brought it down with rocks..........
> How about this idea:
>
> ABC cancels all programming on Family other than 700 Club,
> replacing it with infomercials.
>
> Then they start a new channel, which they market to all the
> cable and satellite operators, agreeing to cancel the
> contracts to carry Family in return for carrying the new
> channel.
>
> ABC then gets the infomercial revenue from whatever cable
> operators still carry Family, but Robertson gets fewer and
> fewer viewers until he has to give up the ghost (preferably
> Casper).
>
The 700 Club would have 700 lawyers before the FCC, and whatever other entities they could preach to....not to mention a slew of letters and emails to advertisers of all ABC/ESPN/Disney programming, claiming religious persecution.
Itll blow over...though I catagorically disagree with Robertson on this, I hope it brings US attention to Chavez and the entire Central/South American situation vis a vis the USA.
It ain't good, and it has the long term potential to make the Iraq war look small in comparison. One US chopper was forced to land Thursday after illegal immigrants brought it down with rocks..........
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> > How about this idea:
> >
> > ABC cancels all programming on Family other than 700 Club,
>
> > replacing it with infomercials.
> >
> > Then they start a new channel, which they market to all
> the
> > cable and satellite operators, agreeing to cancel the
> > contracts to carry Family in return for carrying the new
> > channel.
> >
> > ABC then gets the infomercial revenue from whatever cable
> > operators still carry Family, but Robertson gets fewer and
>
> > fewer viewers until he has to give up the ghost
> (preferably
> > Casper).
> >
>
> The 700 Club would have 700 lawyers before the FCC, and
> whatever other entities they could preach to....not to
> mention a slew of letters and emails to advertisers of all
> ABC/ESPN/Disney programming, claiming religious persecution.
>
>
> Itll blow over...though I catagorically disagree with
> Robertson on this, I hope it brings US attention to Chavez
> and the entire Central/South American situation vis a vis
> the USA.
>
> It ain't good, and it has the long term potential to make
> the Iraq war look small in comparison. One US chopper was
> forced to land Thursday after illegal immigrants brought it
> down with rocks..........
>
On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on "i" and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime in just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage anymore, and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered him enough bucks to do so.
Really, though, I wish they'd sell it back to him. The original Family Channel was well-programmed with good classic shows and some decent original kids' stuff (anyone remember Maniac Mansion?). ABC just wants to use it as a dumping ground for recent reruns.
On Venezuela: Yes, the whole situation there is highly shady and is beginning to resemble our constant wacky attempts to knock off Fidel in the '60s. And Chavez isn't some sort of brutal dictator or even necessarily anti-US, his primary issue has always been being able to keep Venezuela's oil revenues in the country, which for some reason places a bug in the rectum of US officials.
The 700 Club has always been good for information on international situations that aren't necessarily big enough to make the mainstream media, mostly because Pat has shady business dealings across the globe.
> > How about this idea:
> >
> > ABC cancels all programming on Family other than 700 Club,
>
> > replacing it with infomercials.
> >
> > Then they start a new channel, which they market to all
> the
> > cable and satellite operators, agreeing to cancel the
> > contracts to carry Family in return for carrying the new
> > channel.
> >
> > ABC then gets the infomercial revenue from whatever cable
> > operators still carry Family, but Robertson gets fewer and
>
> > fewer viewers until he has to give up the ghost
> (preferably
> > Casper).
> >
>
> The 700 Club would have 700 lawyers before the FCC, and
> whatever other entities they could preach to....not to
> mention a slew of letters and emails to advertisers of all
> ABC/ESPN/Disney programming, claiming religious persecution.
>
>
> Itll blow over...though I catagorically disagree with
> Robertson on this, I hope it brings US attention to Chavez
> and the entire Central/South American situation vis a vis
> the USA.
>
> It ain't good, and it has the long term potential to make
> the Iraq war look small in comparison. One US chopper was
> forced to land Thursday after illegal immigrants brought it
> down with rocks..........
>
On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on "i" and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime in just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage anymore, and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered him enough bucks to do so.
Really, though, I wish they'd sell it back to him. The original Family Channel was well-programmed with good classic shows and some decent original kids' stuff (anyone remember Maniac Mansion?). ABC just wants to use it as a dumping ground for recent reruns.
On Venezuela: Yes, the whole situation there is highly shady and is beginning to resemble our constant wacky attempts to knock off Fidel in the '60s. And Chavez isn't some sort of brutal dictator or even necessarily anti-US, his primary issue has always been being able to keep Venezuela's oil revenues in the country, which for some reason places a bug in the rectum of US officials.
The 700 Club has always been good for information on international situations that aren't necessarily big enough to make the mainstream media, mostly because Pat has shady business dealings across the globe.
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Tom_Desmond
Guest
> If there's no way to remove Pat from the channel, Disney
> could afford to (and probably should) just take the channel
> dark. End it. Move some of the original programming over
> to the existing Disney channels to park it there before
> launching something new and better.
A better solution would be for ABC to create a new channel, that could perhaps be called something like "ABC Family Network" or something similar. "ABC Family Network" would simulcast all the programming and advertising that currently runs on "ABC Family Channel" -- except for the 700 Club. Cable operators and satellite services would be free to offer *either* version of the channel to their subscribers, but would be encouraged to move over to the "ABC Family Network".
After several years, the audience would be migrated over to the new channel and the old "ABC Family Channel" (with virtually no distribution left) could be sold off or taken dark. Thus, ABC could get out from under the requirement to carry the 700 Club.
Of course it would take some negotiating on program rights contracts in order to allow them to run mostly the same programming on both channels during the transition. But it would most likely pay off in the long run.
> could afford to (and probably should) just take the channel
> dark. End it. Move some of the original programming over
> to the existing Disney channels to park it there before
> launching something new and better.
A better solution would be for ABC to create a new channel, that could perhaps be called something like "ABC Family Network" or something similar. "ABC Family Network" would simulcast all the programming and advertising that currently runs on "ABC Family Channel" -- except for the 700 Club. Cable operators and satellite services would be free to offer *either* version of the channel to their subscribers, but would be encouraged to move over to the "ABC Family Network".
After several years, the audience would be migrated over to the new channel and the old "ABC Family Channel" (with virtually no distribution left) could be sold off or taken dark. Thus, ABC could get out from under the requirement to carry the 700 Club.
Of course it would take some negotiating on program rights contracts in order to allow them to run mostly the same programming on both channels during the transition. But it would most likely pay off in the long run.
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on "i"
> and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime in
> just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham
> market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA
> channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage anymore,
> and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered him
> enough bucks to do so.
I have never seen the 700 Club listed on "i", locally or nationally. Was it added recently? What time is it on?
Anyway, I agree that CBN/700 has plenty of outlets as it is.
I think if CBN doesn't want to buy it back, maybe TBN would. They could try their hand at an ad-supported network, or just simulcast JCTV and/or The Church Channel. In fact, why not run JCTV from 7pm to 7am, and all weekend long, with TCC filling in on weekdays.
The only other idea I have is the Hallmark Channel, but I think they would only agree to air CBN/700 in the early morning where they currently have infomercials. I doubt they'd want to give up any prime airtime. However it would help expand their distribution.
> On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on "i"
> and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime in
> just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham
> market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA
> channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage anymore,
> and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered him
> enough bucks to do so.
I have never seen the 700 Club listed on "i", locally or nationally. Was it added recently? What time is it on?
Anyway, I agree that CBN/700 has plenty of outlets as it is.
I think if CBN doesn't want to buy it back, maybe TBN would. They could try their hand at an ad-supported network, or just simulcast JCTV and/or The Church Channel. In fact, why not run JCTV from 7pm to 7am, and all weekend long, with TCC filling in on weekdays.
The only other idea I have is the Hallmark Channel, but I think they would only agree to air CBN/700 in the early morning where they currently have infomercials. I doubt they'd want to give up any prime airtime. However it would help expand their distribution.
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> I have never seen the 700 Club listed on "i", locally or
> nationally. Was it added recently? What time is it on?
>
> Anyway, I agree that CBN/700 has plenty of outlets as it is.
>
>
> I think if CBN doesn't want to buy it back, maybe TBN would.
> They could try their hand at an ad-supported network, or
> just simulcast JCTV and/or The Church Channel. In fact, why
> not run JCTV from 7pm to 7am, and all weekend long, with TCC
> filling in on weekdays.
>
> The only other idea I have is the Hallmark Channel, but I
> think they would only agree to air CBN/700 in the early
> morning where they currently have infomercials. I doubt
> they'd want to give up any prime airtime. However it would
> help expand their distribution.
>
Here are a couple of websites with information on Pat Robertson's Deal.
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DIZ/is_31_13/ai_77074088>From Cable World</a>
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/5045.html>From Carpetbaggerreport</a><P ID="signature">______________
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> I have never seen the 700 Club listed on "i", locally or
> nationally. Was it added recently? What time is it on?
>
> Anyway, I agree that CBN/700 has plenty of outlets as it is.
>
>
> I think if CBN doesn't want to buy it back, maybe TBN would.
> They could try their hand at an ad-supported network, or
> just simulcast JCTV and/or The Church Channel. In fact, why
> not run JCTV from 7pm to 7am, and all weekend long, with TCC
> filling in on weekdays.
>
> The only other idea I have is the Hallmark Channel, but I
> think they would only agree to air CBN/700 in the early
> morning where they currently have infomercials. I doubt
> they'd want to give up any prime airtime. However it would
> help expand their distribution.
>
Here are a couple of websites with information on Pat Robertson's Deal.
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DIZ/is_31_13/ai_77074088>From Cable World</a>
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/5045.html>From Carpetbaggerreport</a><P ID="signature">______________
Once I figured out the meaning of life....Then I forgot to write it down.</P>
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> > On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on
> "i"
> > and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime
> in
> > just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham
> > market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA
>
> > channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage
> anymore,
> > and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered
> him
> > enough bucks to do so.
>
> I have never seen the 700 Club listed on "i", locally or
> nationally. Was it added recently? What time is it on?
Apparently, that is only on certain local "i" affiliates, namely in D. C. and Portland, but not Birmingham anymore. . . He is on the national FamilyNet feed which my local access channel uses, which may have confused me.
>
> Anyway, I agree that CBN/700 has plenty of outlets as it is.
>
>
> I think if CBN doesn't want to buy it back, maybe TBN would.
> They could try their hand at an ad-supported network, or
> just simulcast JCTV and/or The Church Channel. In fact, why
> not run JCTV from 7pm to 7am, and all weekend long, with TCC
> filling in on weekdays.
They do NOT need another TV network, unless Robertson would be in full control of it. He understands television, whereas Crouch never really has.
>
> The only other idea I have is the Hallmark Channel, but I
> think they would only agree to air CBN/700 in the early
> morning where they currently have infomercials. I doubt
> they'd want to give up any prime airtime. However it would
> help expand their distribution.
What about American Life TV? It doesn't have the coverage of ABCFam or Hallmark, though . . .
> > On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on
> "i"
> > and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime
> in
> > just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham
> > market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA
>
> > channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage
> anymore,
> > and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered
> him
> > enough bucks to do so.
>
> I have never seen the 700 Club listed on "i", locally or
> nationally. Was it added recently? What time is it on?
Apparently, that is only on certain local "i" affiliates, namely in D. C. and Portland, but not Birmingham anymore. . . He is on the national FamilyNet feed which my local access channel uses, which may have confused me.
>
> Anyway, I agree that CBN/700 has plenty of outlets as it is.
>
>
> I think if CBN doesn't want to buy it back, maybe TBN would.
> They could try their hand at an ad-supported network, or
> just simulcast JCTV and/or The Church Channel. In fact, why
> not run JCTV from 7pm to 7am, and all weekend long, with TCC
> filling in on weekdays.
They do NOT need another TV network, unless Robertson would be in full control of it. He understands television, whereas Crouch never really has.
>
> The only other idea I have is the Hallmark Channel, but I
> think they would only agree to air CBN/700 in the early
> morning where they currently have infomercials. I doubt
> they'd want to give up any prime airtime. However it would
> help expand their distribution.
What about American Life TV? It doesn't have the coverage of ABCFam or Hallmark, though . . .
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> How about this idea:
>
> ABC cancels all programming on Family other than 700 Club,
> replacing it with infomercials.
>
> Then they start a new channel, which they market to all the
> cable and satellite operators, agreeing to cancel the
> contracts to carry Family in return for carrying the new
> channel.
>
> ABC then gets the infomercial revenue from whatever cable
> operators still carry Family, but Robertson gets fewer and
> fewer viewers until he has to give up the ghost (preferably
> Casper).
>
Pat might throw in Laramie, Thermopolis and Cheyenne too... Oh, you mean Casper the GHOST!!! In that case he might insist on holding on to Casper and offer Spooky instead.
ixnah
> How about this idea:
>
> ABC cancels all programming on Family other than 700 Club,
> replacing it with infomercials.
>
> Then they start a new channel, which they market to all the
> cable and satellite operators, agreeing to cancel the
> contracts to carry Family in return for carrying the new
> channel.
>
> ABC then gets the infomercial revenue from whatever cable
> operators still carry Family, but Robertson gets fewer and
> fewer viewers until he has to give up the ghost (preferably
> Casper).
>
Pat might throw in Laramie, Thermopolis and Cheyenne too... Oh, you mean Casper the GHOST!!! In that case he might insist on holding on to Casper and offer Spooky instead.
ixnah
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on "i"
> and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime in
> just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham
> market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA
> channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage anymore,
> and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered him
> enough bucks to do so.
Does CBS 42 still air the show on weekday afternoons?
>
> Really, though, I wish they'd sell it back to him. The
> original Family Channel was well-programmed with good
> classic shows and some decent original kids' stuff (anyone
> remember Maniac Mansion?). ABC just wants to use it as a
> dumping ground for recent reruns.
>
> On Venezuela: Yes, the whole situation there is highly
> shady and is beginning to resemble our constant wacky
> attempts to knock off Fidel in the '60s. And Chavez isn't
> some sort of brutal dictator or even necessarily anti-US,
> his primary issue has always been being able to keep
> Venezuela's oil revenues in the country, which for some
> reason places a bug in the rectum of US officials.
>
One other note on Chavez: He was democratically elected (and recently re-elected, IIRC) by a vast majority of Venezuelans, with international observation both times. There might be plenty bad about him, but not nearly enough to warrant US intervention. A better way to 'get' him would be to boycott Citgo.
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> On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on "i"
> and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime in
> just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham
> market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA
> channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage anymore,
> and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered him
> enough bucks to do so.
Does CBS 42 still air the show on weekday afternoons?
>
> Really, though, I wish they'd sell it back to him. The
> original Family Channel was well-programmed with good
> classic shows and some decent original kids' stuff (anyone
> remember Maniac Mansion?). ABC just wants to use it as a
> dumping ground for recent reruns.
>
> On Venezuela: Yes, the whole situation there is highly
> shady and is beginning to resemble our constant wacky
> attempts to knock off Fidel in the '60s. And Chavez isn't
> some sort of brutal dictator or even necessarily anti-US,
> his primary issue has always been being able to keep
> Venezuela's oil revenues in the country, which for some
> reason places a bug in the rectum of US officials.
>
One other note on Chavez: He was democratically elected (and recently re-elected, IIRC) by a vast majority of Venezuelans, with international observation both times. There might be plenty bad about him, but not nearly enough to warrant US intervention. A better way to 'get' him would be to boycott Citgo.
> <P ID="signature">______________
Why don't you ask yo' mama for a cute closing signature?</P>
Re: About the ABC Family/CBN-700 Club partnership...
> > On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on
> "i"
> > and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime
> in
> > just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham
> > market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA
>
> > channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage
> anymore,
> > and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered
> him
> > enough bucks to do so.
>
> Does CBS 42 still air the show on weekday afternoons?
No, it's on at 9 am now. . . The live airing is the one TBN carries at 2 pm, so it's on a 19-hour delay on WIAT . . .
> > Really, though, I wish they'd sell it back to him. The
> > original Family Channel was well-programmed with good
> > classic shows and some decent original kids' stuff (anyone
>
> > remember Maniac Mansion?). ABC just wants to use it as a
> > dumping ground for recent reruns.
> >
> > On Venezuela: Yes, the whole situation there is highly
> > shady and is beginning to resemble our constant wacky
> > attempts to knock off Fidel in the '60s. And Chavez isn't
>
> > some sort of brutal dictator or even necessarily anti-US,
> > his primary issue has always been being able to keep
> > Venezuela's oil revenues in the country, which for some
> > reason places a bug in the rectum of US officials.
> >
> One other note on Chavez: He was democratically elected (and
> recently re-elected, IIRC) by a vast majority of
> Venezuelans, with international observation both times.
> There might be plenty bad about him, but not nearly enough
> to warrant US intervention. A better way to 'get' him would
> be to boycott Citgo.
> >
>
I have yet to hear anything "plenty bad" about him actually. He seems to have a bit of an ego and a tendency to shoot off his yap, but he's quite clean by world-leader standards. The worst I've seen is that his police may have been a bit rough to the protesters calling for his head. No death squads, no minority persecution (actually, he has worked constantly to reduce the inequities in Venezuela), no insane miscarriages of justice...generally a major improvement over previous regimes.
We shouldn't want to "get" him. That would be extremely counterproductive, even by the wacky standards of almost every other US foreign intervention of the past 50 years.
> > On the partnership: Pat's already carried nationally on
> "i"
> > and TBN, not to mention I think he buys broadcast airtime
> in
> > just about every market anyway (here in the Birmingham
> > market, I can see him 4 different times on 4 different OTA
>
> > channels). He doesn't need ABC Family for coverage
> anymore,
> > and I'm sure he'd be willing to leave if Disney offered
> him
> > enough bucks to do so.
>
> Does CBS 42 still air the show on weekday afternoons?
No, it's on at 9 am now. . . The live airing is the one TBN carries at 2 pm, so it's on a 19-hour delay on WIAT . . .
> > Really, though, I wish they'd sell it back to him. The
> > original Family Channel was well-programmed with good
> > classic shows and some decent original kids' stuff (anyone
>
> > remember Maniac Mansion?). ABC just wants to use it as a
> > dumping ground for recent reruns.
> >
> > On Venezuela: Yes, the whole situation there is highly
> > shady and is beginning to resemble our constant wacky
> > attempts to knock off Fidel in the '60s. And Chavez isn't
>
> > some sort of brutal dictator or even necessarily anti-US,
> > his primary issue has always been being able to keep
> > Venezuela's oil revenues in the country, which for some
> > reason places a bug in the rectum of US officials.
> >
> One other note on Chavez: He was democratically elected (and
> recently re-elected, IIRC) by a vast majority of
> Venezuelans, with international observation both times.
> There might be plenty bad about him, but not nearly enough
> to warrant US intervention. A better way to 'get' him would
> be to boycott Citgo.
> >
>
I have yet to hear anything "plenty bad" about him actually. He seems to have a bit of an ego and a tendency to shoot off his yap, but he's quite clean by world-leader standards. The worst I've seen is that his police may have been a bit rough to the protesters calling for his head. No death squads, no minority persecution (actually, he has worked constantly to reduce the inequities in Venezuela), no insane miscarriages of justice...generally a major improvement over previous regimes.
We shouldn't want to "get" him. That would be extremely counterproductive, even by the wacky standards of almost every other US foreign intervention of the past 50 years.
A similarly branded ABC Family network without the 700 Club would cause major flare-ups with Robertson.
Also, satellite and cable operators would use it as a opportunity to drop ABC Family and not necessarily carry the new channel.
ABC Family is tied to several Disney channels (like ESPN) in contracts, right now. Any new channel wouldn't have any guaranteed households until Disney's next contract renewal with the providers.
Maybe, Disney should have tried to increase already established SoapNet's exposure and encouraged providers to swap ABC Family and SoapNet in their package tiering. Eventually, it would diminish ABC-Family's exposure, Disney could then make the channel optional for providers to carry it, and writing that channel's loss off wouldn't be as bad to digest. NBC/Universal basically is doing that with TRIO (TRIO wasn't a requirement for other NBC channels), and DirecTV dropped it.
Disney got their hands dirty buying the channel from Fox in the first place. Their evening lineup is all WB shows, shows bought from a competing media company, and they have The 700 Club right there to screw up their nights. Dish and DirecTV also carry ABC Family on the east coast time, so west coast subscribers will see The 700 Club right during primetime.
> > If there's no way to remove Pat from the channel, Disney
> > could afford to (and probably should) just take the
> channel
> > dark. End it. Move some of the original programming over
>
> > to the existing Disney channels to park it there before
> > launching something new and better.
>
> A better solution would be for ABC to create a new channel,
> that could perhaps be called something like "ABC Family
> Network" or something similar. "ABC Family Network" would
> simulcast all the programming and advertising that currently
> runs on "ABC Family Channel" -- except for the 700 Club.
> Cable operators and satellite services would be free to
> offer *either* version of the channel to their subscribers,
> but would be encouraged to move over to the "ABC Family
> Network".
>
> After several years, the audience would be migrated over to
> the new channel and the old "ABC Family Channel" (with
> virtually no distribution left) could be sold off or taken
> dark. Thus, ABC could get out from under the requirement to
> carry the 700 Club.
>
> Of course it would take some negotiating on program rights
> contracts in order to allow them to run mostly the same
> programming on both channels during the transition. But it
> would most likely pay off in the long run.
>
Also, satellite and cable operators would use it as a opportunity to drop ABC Family and not necessarily carry the new channel.
ABC Family is tied to several Disney channels (like ESPN) in contracts, right now. Any new channel wouldn't have any guaranteed households until Disney's next contract renewal with the providers.
Maybe, Disney should have tried to increase already established SoapNet's exposure and encouraged providers to swap ABC Family and SoapNet in their package tiering. Eventually, it would diminish ABC-Family's exposure, Disney could then make the channel optional for providers to carry it, and writing that channel's loss off wouldn't be as bad to digest. NBC/Universal basically is doing that with TRIO (TRIO wasn't a requirement for other NBC channels), and DirecTV dropped it.
Disney got their hands dirty buying the channel from Fox in the first place. Their evening lineup is all WB shows, shows bought from a competing media company, and they have The 700 Club right there to screw up their nights. Dish and DirecTV also carry ABC Family on the east coast time, so west coast subscribers will see The 700 Club right during primetime.
> > If there's no way to remove Pat from the channel, Disney
> > could afford to (and probably should) just take the
> channel
> > dark. End it. Move some of the original programming over
>
> > to the existing Disney channels to park it there before
> > launching something new and better.
>
> A better solution would be for ABC to create a new channel,
> that could perhaps be called something like "ABC Family
> Network" or something similar. "ABC Family Network" would
> simulcast all the programming and advertising that currently
> runs on "ABC Family Channel" -- except for the 700 Club.
> Cable operators and satellite services would be free to
> offer *either* version of the channel to their subscribers,
> but would be encouraged to move over to the "ABC Family
> Network".
>
> After several years, the audience would be migrated over to
> the new channel and the old "ABC Family Channel" (with
> virtually no distribution left) could be sold off or taken
> dark. Thus, ABC could get out from under the requirement to
> carry the 700 Club.
>
> Of course it would take some negotiating on program rights
> contracts in order to allow them to run mostly the same
> programming on both channels during the transition. But it
> would most likely pay off in the long run.
>
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