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The 9-5-0 just lost me as a listener.
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"Dropping Mancow for Joe Pags. Lets just slowly turn it into a carbon copy of KTRH..... boring radio."
Boo-hoo!!! No one there cares what you do, nor do I. Mancow is a twit anyway and Pags is a family man who talks about relevant topics so get over it. There is so much complaining here on these boards that I only log in once in a while. Since I'm here today, I'll poke fun at you and the others who constantly whine and moan about the deterioration of the industry that you just can't seem to live without. "Oh but it's my passion in life, and yet I'm being paid less the the guy at 7-11." [EDIT-inflammatory content]Move on with your life and stop drooling over the way it used to be. Remember now, change is inevitable. God bless all of you and have a nice day.
Boo-hoo!!! No one there cares what you do, nor do I. Mancow is a twit anyway and Pags is a family man who talks about relevant topics so get over it. There is so much complaining here on these boards that I only log in once in a while. Since I'm here today, I'll poke fun at you and the others who constantly whine and moan about the deterioration of the industry that you just can't seem to live without. "Oh but it's my passion in life, and yet I'm being paid less the the guy at 7-11." [EDIT-inflammatory content]Move on with your life and stop drooling over the way it used to be. Remember now, change is inevitable. God bless all of you and have a nice day.
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rbrucecarter5
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What's up with them? 5000W, non-directional, I should have them here in Dallas, at least weakly - now that the 950 in Denison Sherman signed off for good. Instead - nothing.
Mancow was un-listenable anyways.. Glad I have XM Sirius
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snoman
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It's pathetic that we have all of these Right-Winged Blow Hards on the air, and we can't get any Progressive Talk in this top ten market. That's great programming, putting Joe Pags up against Hannity on KTRH. Even Dallas has Progressive Talk now on 1360 there. I am glad I have XM and Sirius, too, but it would be nice to have an alternative to the Limbaugh/Hannity/Ingraham/O'Reilly/Pags/Prager Republican propaganda radio networks. It's no wonder why this state is bright red. 
The problem with "progressive" radio
is that almost nobody listens.
Here's a fact of life: Radio station owners are the most mercenary people on this planet, and they will put absolutely anything on the air if they think it will make money. They would put the sounds of people dying of lung cancer on the air 24 hours a day if they thought it would raise their ratings.
Conservative talk dominates radio these days for one reason and one reason only: they attract huge audiences and the stations that carry them are making money by the ton.
Let's face it. Conservative talkers are fun to listen to. It's why so many people listen and it's why they're everywhere you look.
Liberal "progressive" talkers are no fun at all. Most are insufferable whiners whose only talent is making people want to listen to something else. Even other liberals can't stand to listen to them.
is that almost nobody listens.
Here's a fact of life: Radio station owners are the most mercenary people on this planet, and they will put absolutely anything on the air if they think it will make money. They would put the sounds of people dying of lung cancer on the air 24 hours a day if they thought it would raise their ratings.
Conservative talk dominates radio these days for one reason and one reason only: they attract huge audiences and the stations that carry them are making money by the ton.
Let's face it. Conservative talkers are fun to listen to. It's why so many people listen and it's why they're everywhere you look.
Liberal "progressive" talkers are no fun at all. Most are insufferable whiners whose only talent is making people want to listen to something else. Even other liberals can't stand to listen to them.
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snoman
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Re: The problem with "progressive" radio
Conservative talkers "fun"?! I find nothing funny about Hannity, Rush, or O'Reilly, with the exception of their bold faced lies.
And, I guess you haven't heard Stephanie Miller's show lately. Talk about fun. It's chock full of jokes and humor. Also, The Young Turks on Air America have a great show. Yes, there are a few of those "whiner" shows, but you will find that in quite a few Conservative Shows, too.
It's a matter of opinion, what you want to listen to. I just think it's only fair, when you have a city of over 4,000,000 people and you have four stations geared toward Right-Winged, Conservative Talk, it is only fair to have something for us Liberals/Progressives to listen to as well. I know there is quite a few of us here.
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Conservative talkers "fun"?! I find nothing funny about Hannity, Rush, or O'Reilly, with the exception of their bold faced lies.
And, I guess you haven't heard Stephanie Miller's show lately. Talk about fun. It's chock full of jokes and humor. Also, The Young Turks on Air America have a great show. Yes, there are a few of those "whiner" shows, but you will find that in quite a few Conservative Shows, too.
It's a matter of opinion, what you want to listen to. I just think it's only fair, when you have a city of over 4,000,000 people and you have four stations geared toward Right-Winged, Conservative Talk, it is only fair to have something for us Liberals/Progressives to listen to as well. I know there is quite a few of us here.
"Fairness" has nothing to do with it
The "marketplace" is not fair. Anyone who expects it to be "fair" has no understanding of how an open marketplace works. Radio station owners are free to program their stations any way they see fit. That's as it should be.
In a free and open marketplace, these owners want programs that will draw listeners, which attracts advertisers, which means the station makes money and is able to pay its bills, which includes salaries for its employees.
It seems clear to me that the radio market is dominated by conservative talkers because that's what attracts listeners, advertisers, etc. If liberal talkers attracted listeners, they would dominate the airwaves. It's not a conservative plot to silence liberals. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
I didn't mean to say that ALL conservative talkers are fun. Some are, some aren't. I can't stand to listen to Hannity either. But Rush Limbaugh is a scream. I don't agree with everything he says but he's fun to listen to. It's no mystery to me that he's the most successful and richest radio personality in history. He's earned it.
Now if a free, open and unregulated radio marketplace doesn't appeal to you, then by all means you should join the campaign to restore the socalled Fairness Doctrine. Radio owners would be required to air the views of "the other side", with programs almost nobody listens to. That will result in lower ratings and less income, and many if not most owners will drop talk programming altogether. If you were an owner, would you want to carry programs that lose money?
Restoring the Fairness Doctrine will kill talk radio dead dead dead quicker than anything I can think of, and that seems to be the goal of those who want to bring it back.
The "marketplace" is not fair. Anyone who expects it to be "fair" has no understanding of how an open marketplace works. Radio station owners are free to program their stations any way they see fit. That's as it should be.
In a free and open marketplace, these owners want programs that will draw listeners, which attracts advertisers, which means the station makes money and is able to pay its bills, which includes salaries for its employees.
It seems clear to me that the radio market is dominated by conservative talkers because that's what attracts listeners, advertisers, etc. If liberal talkers attracted listeners, they would dominate the airwaves. It's not a conservative plot to silence liberals. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
I didn't mean to say that ALL conservative talkers are fun. Some are, some aren't. I can't stand to listen to Hannity either. But Rush Limbaugh is a scream. I don't agree with everything he says but he's fun to listen to. It's no mystery to me that he's the most successful and richest radio personality in history. He's earned it.
Now if a free, open and unregulated radio marketplace doesn't appeal to you, then by all means you should join the campaign to restore the socalled Fairness Doctrine. Radio owners would be required to air the views of "the other side", with programs almost nobody listens to. That will result in lower ratings and less income, and many if not most owners will drop talk programming altogether. If you were an owner, would you want to carry programs that lose money?
Restoring the Fairness Doctrine will kill talk radio dead dead dead quicker than anything I can think of, and that seems to be the goal of those who want to bring it back.
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snoman
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I never said anything about restoring the "Fairness Doctorine". I am not for that. Radio Owners have the right to do whatever they want. All I am asking for is for someone to try giving Liberal/Progressive talk a try. It has come a long way over the past few years. Yes, it used to be a lot of what you said, but there are a lot of good, entertaining hosts out there now. And, with so many people supporting a change in this country and more people moving toward the center and left. It just gives another outlet for those of us that want to hear something besides the constant barage of what I feel are Conservative Lies that just aren't working anymore. I am not asking for "equal time" or "Fairness Doctorine". I should not have used the word "Fairness" in my previous post, because it was misconstrued. I am just asking someone to please try a Liberal/Progressive format, because as I said before, there are 4,000,000 people here and a lot of Liberals/Progressives that would like to have something to listen to as well.
I am just asking someone to please try a Liberal/Progressive format, because as I said before, there are 4,000,000 people here and a lot of Liberals/Progressives that would like to have something to listen to as well.
I have no doubt that you are right. There are millions of people out there, but where are they when the radio ratings are measured? I also agree with your wish that at least one Houston station would put a moderate or liberal talker on the air in prime radio time. Try it and see if he/she can attract an audience. If they don't, replace them.
I know you didn't say anything about the Fairness Doctrine. I brought it up to explain why the idea of fairness does not and should not play a role in what radio station owners put on the air. Marketability and the power to pull an audience are the only factors owners should use in picking their shows.
Snoman I promise you that if and when owners think liberal talkers will make money for them, we'll have liberals wall-to-wall on the radio dial. It's really no more complicated than that.
One more thing. It's worth noting at this point that most if not all of those liberal talkers working in other parts of the country are on radio stations that stream their programming on their websites. Find out which ones are doing that and listen to them to your heart's content. You don't need a radio to do that.
I have no doubt that you are right. There are millions of people out there, but where are they when the radio ratings are measured? I also agree with your wish that at least one Houston station would put a moderate or liberal talker on the air in prime radio time. Try it and see if he/she can attract an audience. If they don't, replace them.
I know you didn't say anything about the Fairness Doctrine. I brought it up to explain why the idea of fairness does not and should not play a role in what radio station owners put on the air. Marketability and the power to pull an audience are the only factors owners should use in picking their shows.
Snoman I promise you that if and when owners think liberal talkers will make money for them, we'll have liberals wall-to-wall on the radio dial. It's really no more complicated than that.
One more thing. It's worth noting at this point that most if not all of those liberal talkers working in other parts of the country are on radio stations that stream their programming on their websites. Find out which ones are doing that and listen to them to your heart's content. You don't need a radio to do that.
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snoman
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Oh, I do listen to a lot of Streaming Radio shows and as I said, I have XM and Sirius. Sirius is a bit disappointing. They have three of their own shows, one is good, but it deals with issues mostly pertaining to the African-American community. I enjoy listening to it, but sometimes it's just not what I want to listen to. The other two shows, both hosts hate Obama and they spend most of their time talking bad about him, because they were big Hillary supporters from New York, and despite Hillary's pleas to support Obama both of them refuse and just pile on. They only carry one hour of Thom Hartmann's program live. They only carry two hours of Ed Schultz's show delayed. They only carry one hour of Stephanie Miller's show live. They are three of the most popular Liberal hosts and I just wished Sirius would carry them live and in their entirety. I have an XM Roady 2, and it only works part of the time. I have been waiting to upgrade until the merger was complete. I think I'll go look at new radios this week. Not everyone is as fortunate as I am, and can afford it. Not to mention, I would just like to hear it on Houston Radio.
KTRH carried Ed Schultz for awhile, and they buried him late at night and did not promote him. They dropped him in favor of Dennis Miller's show.
KTRH carried Ed Schultz for awhile, and they buried him late at night and did not promote him. They dropped him in favor of Dennis Miller's show.
Not really sure how my thread turned into rant for liberal radio but that was not my intention. I dont care about liberal radio. I was just saying I am mad cuz 950 cut Mancow. Mancow may be liberal on some social issues but he is way more conservative than he is liberal. But the bottom line is that his show is entertaining to me. I like informative radio, but i like it to be entertaining. The concept is not rocket science ppl. Shows like Rush, Hannity and Pags are great but they bore me to the point where i want to stab my eyesballs with a fork for entertainment. Its nice to have radio shows that entertain while informative like Mancow. Or even barely informative like Phil Hendrie which i cant even listen to because I"m not stayin up till midnight to listen to. And I listen to W&J some only because i like the topics they talk about, besides that, they are lame as hell to me. I have got to where i listen to Rod Ryan more in the mornings and just put up with the times tehy talk about the dancing with the stars/american idol crap.
I dont' know what listeners liked about Mancow. I thought he sucked. Granted I think it sucked because it ALWAYS sounded like a Best-of show which I think are unlistenable. I could have liked it if he was live - WHAT A CONCEPT!
Joe Pags>Mancow and that's not saying much.
Hey Joe, how about you let your listeners TALK and not just cut them off!?!? Even if you think they're wrong! Democrats are people too. At least that what they tell me. ;D
Joe Pags>Mancow and that's not saying much.
Hey Joe, how about you let your listeners TALK and not just cut them off!?!? Even if you think they're wrong! Democrats are people too. At least that what they tell me. ;D
This decision comes down to two things...ratings and revenue. Mancow was not getting the ratings and I doubt that many were buying time in his show.
As for those who want a progressive station in Houston I think it would have the same fate as Mancow...a small dedicated base but not enough to drive ratings and revenue. Just looked at Phase II numbers from Dallas and the new Lib Talker there failed to make a blip on the radar.
I know that the left tires of the success of the conservative talk radio but the fact remains that outside of a few pockets of success left radio just doesn't work.
I think this is a good move for KPRC...this switch puts them live and local in afternoon drive and should give them a bigger lead for Savage who, despite getting no audience from Mancow, was putting up Killer numbers.
As for those who want a progressive station in Houston I think it would have the same fate as Mancow...a small dedicated base but not enough to drive ratings and revenue. Just looked at Phase II numbers from Dallas and the new Lib Talker there failed to make a blip on the radar.
I know that the left tires of the success of the conservative talk radio but the fact remains that outside of a few pockets of success left radio just doesn't work.
I think this is a good move for KPRC...this switch puts them live and local in afternoon drive and should give them a bigger lead for Savage who, despite getting no audience from Mancow, was putting up Killer numbers.
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Ever heard of NPR? or KPFT? I'd like to see what you had to say if government supported radio had conservative programming instead of the extreme left propaganda it currently broadcasts.snoman said:
Seriously, you guys have 3 of 4 major networks, All major newspapers, the Associated Press, most of the music, movie, & art communities, 90% of college acadamia, Gwen Ifill, Oprah, The View, Comedy Central, PBS, and Letterman.
And the Right gets. . . Am radio. Wow. We a need "fairness doctrine."
Next thing you know, our kids will be pro-America.
I think this state was "red" long before the advent of talk radio. Started with this guy named Santa Anna. I hear Vermont has lovely weather.snoman said:
Dont take me too seriously. My best friends think I'm full of it. They're wrong, of course, but lovable nonetheless.
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