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The Adventures of Lionel on Liberal Talk...

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dampier

Now that he doesn't have Rita Cosby to kick around as much anymore, it has been interesting following WOR's Lionel who is working on finding a niche for his show. He seems to be heading more and more towards sensationalism topics (especially legal issues - surprise surprise) and is turning into the radio equivalent of MSNBC or Fox legal shows. It's been almost all Jon Benet all the time on his show as of late.

It actually seems to be working for him, because he is very plain spoken about what is "crap" and what isn't, and has had on forensic and other legal expert guests.

He hasn't forsaken politics, but is now definitely dwelling less on political topics and more on pop culture issues.

His on air persona is Joe Pesci without the profanity, and is at least entertaining. The only downside is the network schedule with loads a TON of commercial inventory on the schedule, especially at the bottom and near the top of the hour.

His show podcasts are available for free from WOR's website.
 
Phillip Dampier said:
Now that he doesn't have Rita Cosby to kick around as much anymore, it has been interesting following WOR's Lionel who is working on finding a niche for his show. He seems to be heading more and more towards sensationalism topics (especially legal issues - surprise surprise) and is turning into the radio equivalent of MSNBC or Fox legal shows. It's been almost all Jon Benet all the time on his show as of late.
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A late night show with little distribution. Sounds like a real losing combination.
 
Sounds like a real losing combination.

What?? No comment on calling it "liberal" instead of "progressive"???? Not starting a running count?
 
barooosk said:
A late night show with little distribution. Sounds like a real losing combination.
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Actually Lionel gets more distribution than Majority Report and Mike Malloy, especially on the Entercom and Clear Channel outlets.
 
Granted, he got cancelled on Premiere, but give Lionel a break...the WOR Network is the worst of the worst. I enjoy a show that can talk about other issues when the political scene is rather dry. And the free podcasts are great... I found myself listening to an hour or two everyday... at least until the Baseline Killer here is central Phoenix ended my ability to podcast and walk.
 
Boy, Baroosk, you just can't stand the idea of non-AAR progressive talk programming having a place in the world.
And exactly what is the source/basis for these numbers you cite as Gospel?

Let's start in New York (something like 6% of the surveyed population).
Lionel's on WOR (so add New Jersey, Connecticut and much of the Northeast corridor).
Malloy's on - no, he's not.
 
fred flintstone said:
barooosk said:
It's based on the Lionel affiliates listed on WOR website. Check it out.
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Please provide a link.
I see no list of Lionel affiliates on either:
http://www.wor710.com/ or
http://www.worradionet.com/.

And where did you get the numbers of Majority Report and Malloy?
And how were these percentages determined?
C'mon, you can do better than this.
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http://www.lionelonline.com/

FYI: Lionel's weekday show is carried on 57 affiliates and his Saturday show is on 69 stations.

I didn't do the math for MR and Malloy.
 
Baroosk is in Talker's Magazine country now. (although Lionel makes their top audiences list and MR and Malloy do not).

Majority Report is cleared on few AAR affiliates (due to Big Ed bumping Randi and stations dumping MR to take Randi on delay).
Mike Malloy also has clearance problems due to Lionel and Alan Colmes.
Both are carried only on AAR affiliates, many of which operate at very reduced nighttime power.

Lionel, on the other hand, is head on a substantial portion of non-AAR affiliates (including non-progressive talk stations). And he is heard on two Class A stations.
 
fred flintstone said:
Baroosk is in Talker's Magazine country now. (although Lionel makes their top audiences list and MR and Malloy do not).

Majority Report is cleared on few AAR affiliates (due to Big Ed bumping Randi and stations dumping MR to take Randi on delay).
Mike Malloy also has clearance problems due to Lionel and Alan Colmes.
Both are carried only on AAR affiliates, many of which operate at very reduced nighttime power.

Lionel, on the other hand, is head on a substantial portion of non-AAR affiliates (including non-progressive talk stations). And he is heard on two Class A stations.
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Colmes is on 64 affiliates currently, mostly on conservative stations in red states, and on some pretty obscure stations too (a station in my market, Milwaukee, airs him, but there's no way in hell that station, WRJN in Racine, can be received anywhere near Milwaukee at night. Yet, FOX lists it as Colmes' Milwaukee affiliate.). Colmes doesn't make it onto too many progtalk stations. He's on only one or two AAR affiliates, so his effect on Malloy clearances is almost nonexistent. The only AAR affiliate that I know of off-hand that airs Colmes is the new station in Palm Springs.

http://www.foxnews.com/alancolmesradio/index.html

I've heard that in the case of Clear Channel, for example, depending on which market their progtalker is in, they choose between either Malloy (often in more liberal markets like Portland or Detroit) or Lionel (for conservative markets like Cincinnati). Colmes is choice #3 usually.

MR gets time-shifted by a few stations. Sometimes it airs later in the evening (depending on time zone) or airs in overnights. Same with Malloy. Both shows tend to get replays on most affiliates on the weekends.
 
fred flintstone said:
Baroosk is in Talker's Magazine country now. (although Lionel makes their top audiences list and MR and Malloy do not)
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How could I be in "Talkers Magazine Country" when they say Lionel makes their top audience list. As you can see from my tabulation Lionel is on the bottom.

Majority Report/45.0
Malloy/35.4
Lionel/23.1

By the way, were you able follow FI's link to Lionel's webpage?
 
barooosk said:
How could I be in "Talkers Magazine Country" when they say Lionel makes their top audience list. As you can see from my tabulation Lionel is on the bottom.

Majority Report/45.0
Malloy/35.4
Lionel/23.1

By the way, were you able follow FI's link to Lionel's webpage?
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You are in Talker's Magazine country because you both pull numbers out of the air.

OK, there is an affiliate list for Lionel, although not on WOR's website (or the WOR Network website) as you had said. And, not surprisingly, Lionel provides no data about Majority Report or Malloy.
So, again, how did you come up with these percentages (for all three)?
AAR provides a list of stations which carry ANY programming (including Thom Hartmann, who is not part of the network feed - except for weekend "best ofs"). So, how did you determine which stations actually carry Majority Report or Malloy (keeping in mind not all stations have websites)?
Also keep in mind that some stations on any of these "lists" are rim shots and don't come close to reaching the entire market (especially at night).

You keep avoiding answering the question. One might suspect you are just making up numbers to make a point. It wouldn't be the first time.
AAR has a history of avoiding telling the truth and of making things up.
This is what happens when you are dealing with politicians (of any ideology).
 
...interesting. WIZM/1410 La Crosse carries one hour of Lionel's weekend show (leading into Matt Drudge on Sunday nights) but Lionel's website doesn't list it...
 
KJCB said:
Colmes was also on PT monster WWKK/Petoesky, MI, where poor programming would be an understatment.
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You've got that right! I remember when they became an AAR affiliate. Plopped down right in the middle of the schedule in early evenings was...Michael Savage. Their rationale was "Sorry liberals, he was there first."

This situation has been remedied.

http://www.wjml.com/programs/

They also consider Dr. Joy Brown a liberal.

Good thing this isn't a rated market.

BTW: I don't even know why people reference "Talkers Magazine". Their list is for entertainment purposes only, and it's all subjective. No science there.
 
BTW: I did a tally of affiliates carrying Majority Report and Mike Malloy. MR is carried on weekdays on approximately 43 stations and Malloy is on approximately 39. This figure does not count weekend 'best of' shows, which are carried by most AAR affiliates.
 
Lionel's coverage was derived from his website. The AAR coverage was derived from a non-published database
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Non-published data base? Maybe you walked down the hall and got some figures from the AAR sales promotion department? That would explain your reactions to any criticism of AAR and your antipathy to non-AAR progressive talk shows and hosts.
 
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