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The "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" Story

This actually happened a couple of weekends ago and I wasn't quite sure if I wanted to post it. Obviously, I've come to the conclusion that it is worth sharing. Part of my reluctance has been that I have just grown tired of the business of radio. In my own personal experience, I have come to believe that a lot of what many of us say on these boards amount to spinning wheels and little more. This board appears to be different from a lot of the local ones in that I do believe many of you will "get it." So here goes.

A couple of Saturdays ago I had to go into work in the morning to catch up and I thought I would treat myself to a nice lunch on the way home. Near where I live there is a classic old time diner where pictures of the early rockers such as Buddy Holly, Elvis and many others literally cover the walls. The atomosphere is just as good as the food. Anyway, the jukebox began to play "Ain't Too Proud" and almost on cue the cashier began singing along with one of the guys in the kitchen. It became contagious. A group of workers from the super market who were there got up and started singing too. I really can't do justice here to explain the experience.

I suppose I should have gone into marketing because I love talking to people to find out what makes them tick. Virtually everyone who participated in the sing-a-along were folks in their 20s and 30s. After thanking them all for the "show," I asked how they knew the song so well. The universal answer was that their parents or older sibblings played that type music regularly as they were growing up. I smiled and I felt validated once again that those who are running things in radio have no idea what they are doing. A good deal of the music of the 60s and even the 70s was so popular that it transended generations, gender and race. Whether you lived in the inner city or the burbs, the music was universal and even to this day, it has a special place for many.

There was a time this particular establishment advertised on what was the local oldies station. Now the radio is off and the CD jukebox has replaced it. Obviously, they no longer use radio as part of their marketing plan. In this same strip shopping mall, I can recall two other establishments who had on occasion advertised with the local oldies station. They have taken their business elsewhere as well and I might add, the radio is off when I step in these places.

Radio where I live is in a word, pathetic. In my humble opinion, if local business can't relate to what is on the air in the way of format and the overall quality of the product, they will take their business elsewhere. In my little strip mall example, three businesses have gone elsewhere and have turned the radio off. Multiply that across an entire market and it's easy to see why radio is where it is. Yeah, it's a lousy economy and a lot of business does not have the bucks to advertise. But there has to be an incentive to both listen and to do business. It seems radio, in general, has just given up. Sure, there is a lot of competition but we need more fight and not just going through the motions. That is not how to ensure your survival.

On a positive note, I listen to a lot of internet radio. I celebrate those who work very hard to be the best they can be and who offer something different to the listener. Obviously I can't listen to everything but I really like what I hear on WCBS-FM (NYC) and WOGL in Philly. By a mile, they are my favs and apparently the audience feels the same way. With all the competion the format is thriving in those markets. WOGL is currently playing over 2000 songs from their library. I love their emphasis on soul and Motown. They represent the market very well. Why we don't see more of a fight to grow listeners and develop creative programming, I don't understand. The format is viable, if done right. Nothing is perfect but I like how the format has evolved. We need more people to put away their prejudices and become more inclusive of their markets.

So, there it is. In the meantime where I live, we will eventually have 3 AC formats. We currently have 3 country stations and a few rockers and that's the extent of local music radio. It makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? Anyway, thanks for listening. I love radio but I remain so damn frustrated at the continued stupidity of many who are in charge.
 
Amen....Amen...Amen.. (especially net radio)

Those that were not fortunate enough to have access to a siblings collection can thank Hollywood.

Big Chill - Ain't Too Proud To Beg (most memorable scene from many offered in this flick)
Top Gun - You've Lost That Loving Feelin'
Karate Kid- Earth Angel
Ghost - Unchained Meleody
Blues Brothers - entire sountrack
etc
 
My daughter is in her early 30s and because of my wife and I she knows more 50s & 60s music than most people
who lived in that era. The music is timeless.
 
gunterm said:
I'm 27 and run an oldies station :) indeed the music crosses generations.

radioman148 said:
My daughter is in her early 30s and because of my wife and I she knows more 50s & 60s music than most people
who lived in that era. The music is timeless.

And I will bet that both youngsters would never embarrass themselves by diminishing Smokey Robinson's accomplishments by claiming to be knowledgeable and telling all that he spent some time with The Miracles, considering that he was not only a founding member of The Miracles, but was also the Vice President of Motown Records for 27 years, as well as "The King of Motown", second in line only to Berry Gordy.

I recently heard someone who claims to love the oldies do just that on the air. How embarrassing for the station! Fortunately the regularity of stale information and misinformation does not reach many, because hardly anbody knows the person exists, and nobody cares. The real oldies station got it right and was rewarded for it. Big banner across their website.

But Smokey didn't write "Ain't Too Proud To Beg", which is part of the title of this thread.
 
Thank you all so much for the great responses. In particular, I really appreciated seeing the song acted out in the Big Chill. I had a very rough day yesterday and that just brought a much needed smile to my face. Thanks Gunterm. I don't think anyone of us would disagree that the "Ain't to Proud to Beg" scene in that movie is the most memorable part of the flick. Up there too is the opening of Marvin Gaye's "Heard it through the Grapevine."

But really, to see you Gunterm as a 27 year old running an oldies station and admitting the music crosses generations is so refreshing to witness. I have grown so weary of those who run things be too blind to see the obivious. Carefully chosen songs have stood the test of time and they should never be forgotten.

Hopefully, I'm not repeating myself from what I have mentioned in another post but this past winter I took part in a research project involving teen agers and the technology they most used and liked. Cutting to the chase, I was very happy to see that those born long after the 60s and 70s have downloaded tons of British Invasion, particularly the Beatles, Motown, soul and good 'ol rock 'n roll. People like variety and the music lives on as it should.

So, I keep hoping a "Gunterm" could be given the opportunity to program a station where I live (Jacksonville, Fl). Having a personal music library is one thing but giving listeners more format choice can only help commercial radio be more inclusive and responsive to the community served. But it's not about the listener. Thanks again!
 
Silkie said:
gunterm said:
I'm 27 and run an oldies station :) indeed the music crosses generations.

radioman148 said:
My daughter is in her early 30s and because of my wife and I she knows more 50s & 60s music than most people
who lived in that era. The music is timeless.

And I will bet that both youngsters would never embarrass themselves by diminishing Smokey Robinson's accomplishments by claiming to be knowledgeable and telling all that he spent some time with The Miracles, considering that he was not only a founding member of The Miracles, but was also the Vice President of Motown Records for 27 years, as well as "The King of Motown", second in line only to Berry Gordy.

I recently heard someone who claims to love the oldies do just that on the air. How embarrassing for the station! Fortunately the regularity of stale information and misinformation does not reach many, because hardly anbody knows the person exists, and nobody cares. The real oldies station got it right and was rewarded for it. Big banner across their website.

But Smokey didn't write "Ain't Too Proud To Beg", which is part of the title of this thread.

As Silkie pointed out not too many people are aware of Smokeys contribution to the success of Motown Records, performer, producer, songwriter...he wrote some of the biggest hits at Motown "MY Guy" for Mary Wells and four monsters for the Temptations, and yes "Aint too proud" was not written by smokey (Norm whitfield and Eddie Holland)....Silkie your guy is as bad as my guy who last week played "First Quarrel" by Paul and Paula and was quick to add that "Paul was of course Paul Anka" ...I laughed so had I had to run to the bathroom, I started listening to his show now on a regular basis, because his goofs are so out of the planet, that they are truly hilarious. I am surprised that he didn't identify Paula as Paula Abdul...maybe next time he plays "Hey Paul, Hey Paula" He Might, knowing the level of his imcompetence.
 
>>"First Quarrel" by Paul and Paula and was quick to add that "Paul was of course Paul Anka" ...I laughed so had I had to run to the bathroom, I started listening to his show now on a regular basis, because his goofs are so out of the planet, that they are truly hilarious. I am surprised that he didn't identify Paula as Paula Abdul...maybe next time he plays "Hey Paul, Hey Paula" He Might, knowing the level of his imcompetence.>>

Now that is funny! ;D
 
Silkie, Hornet - There is no excuse for incompetence in the business of radio - period! If we think about the great roster of talent who now finds themselves displaced and pounding the beat looking for a gig, it's just too mind-boggling for me in realizing those who excel in broadcasting are the exception today and not the rule. Another nail in the coffin.

Given jocks today are given little time to execute anything, one would think station owners would still want the very best - those who can think on their feet, have a proven track-record and knowledge of the format and who can have the ability to shine even with all the restrictions.

I hear mistakes too and most revolve around completely wrong song titles. It shows there is no focus and really no regard for the listener. Perhaps as the expression goes, you get what you pay for. Unless the jock knows beyond a shadow of doubt that his/her info is correct, facts are just a click away. If I ever had the honor to be on the air, I'd have my trusty Top 40 hits book with me. It's aging badly with all the use I give it, but at least I wouldn't loose credibility and that is something no station can afford to loose.
 
JohnJax said:
Silkie, Hornet - There is no excuse for incompetence in the business of radio - period! If we think about the great roster of talent who now finds themselves displaced and pounding the beat looking for a gig, it's just too mind-boggling for me in realizing those who excel in broadcasting are the exception today and not the rule. Another nail in the coffin.

Given jocks today are given little time to execute anything, one would think station owners would still want the very best - those who can think on their feet, have a proven track-record and knowledge of the format and who can have the ability to shine even with all the restrictions.

I hear mistakes too and most revolve around completely wrong song titles. It shows there is no focus and really no regard for the listener. Perhaps as the expression goes, you get what you pay for. Unless the jock knows beyond a shadow of doubt that his/her info is correct, facts are just a click away. If I ever had the honor to be on the air, I'd have my trusty Top 40 hits book with me. It's aging badly with all the use I give it, but at least I wouldn't loose credibility and that is something no station can afford to loose.

I agree with you totally however this is what minimum wage gets you.
 
The Irony is that, the same station has the best DJ I have ever heard, and I have been listening since Eisenhower was president. As long as Joel Whitburn books are available, there no excuse for any kind of error, much less of that magnitude. But, in his defense, 88% if the listening audience probably said "I didn't know that" and went about their business.
 
Hornet, yes, you are correct in that most of the audience is not aware of the "stories" behind the songs or the artists. That's still not the issue. Radio is a medium of communication and entertainment. I often wonder if senior managment actually listens to stations in their cluster. If they do and the delivered products continues to be what it is, then shame on them.

Look, I think the majority of us here know the answer. The higher ups virtually only look at the monthly revenue goals and if targets are hit. No one cares what the jock says unless it is offensive and they certainly don't care about being creative in programming. It's just going through the motions. Perhaps another reason the talent is limited to just repeating a sweeper and saying what is coming up next. YAWN.

As far as those on the air who work for practically nothing, to me it's still no excuse for at least not trying to be the best you can be. Maybe it's an old fashoned concept from generations past but if you think about it, working hard and having a dedicated team who want to win just makes good business sense. Sorry to sound preachy here folks but I grow tired seeing what is happening to radio and I'm sick of the excuses.
 
JohnJax said:
Hornet, yes, you are correct in that most of the audience is not aware of the "stories" behind the songs or the artists. That's still not the issue. Radio is a medium of communication and entertainment. I often wonder if senior managment actually listens to stations in their cluster. If they do and the delivered products continues to be what it is, then shame on them.

Look, I think the majority of us here know the answer. The higher ups virtually only look at the monthly revenue goals and if targets are hit. No one cares what the jock says unless it is offensive and they certainly don't care about being creative in programming. It's just going through the motions. Perhaps another reason the talent is limited to just repeating a sweeper and saying what is coming up next. YAWN.

As far as those on the air who work for practically nothing, to me it's still no excuse for at least not trying to be the best you can be. Maybe it's an old fashoned concept from generations past but if you think about it, working hard and having a dedicated team who want to win just makes good business sense. Sorry to sound preachy here folks but I grow tired seeing what is happening to radio and I'm sick of the excuses.

You hit the nail right on the head JohnJax in all respects.
 
>>"First Quarrel" by Paul and Paula and was quick to add that "Paul was of course Paul Anka" ...I laughed so had I had to run to the bathroom, I started listening to his show now on a regular basis, because his goofs are so out of the planet, that they are truly hilarious. I am surprised that he didn't identify Paula as Paula Abdul...maybe next time he plays "Hey Paul, Hey Paula" He Might, knowing the level of his imcompetence.>>

Now that is funny! ;D

The funny thing about the one 60 miles up the road from here is that she puts her misinformation out there while making certain to use perfect diction to sound real proper and all. So imagine your guy getting it wrong while making absolutely certain that he fully pronounced every single word - slowly and deliberately - while shouting into the microphone. That occurs all within any two-to-three minute period that I happen to hear her. Information from a silver knight in the home office with a chink-in-the-armor thing going on prolly.
 
Silkie said:
>>"First Quarrel" by Paul and Paula and was quick to add that "Paul was of course Paul Anka" ...I laughed so had I had to run to the bathroom, I started listening to his show now on a regular basis, because his goofs are so out of the planet, that they are truly hilarious. I am surprised that he didn't identify Paula as Paula Abdul...maybe next time he plays "Hey Paul, Hey Paula" He Might, knowing the level of his imcompetence.>>

Now that is funny! ;D

The funny thing about the one 60 miles up the road from here is that she puts her misinformation out there while making certain to use perfect diction to sound real proper and all. So imagine your guy getting it wrong while making absolutely certain that he fully pronounced every single word - slowly and deliberately - while shouting into the microphone. That occurs all within any two-to-three minute period that I happen to hear her. Information from a silver knight in the home office with a chink-in-the-armor thing going on prolly.

You know, an off the cuff goof we have all made, but total mis-information every time you open your mouth is a little much, especially when you have the reference data available to you...here is the real horror, he is voice tracked. I am a notorious mis-speller(is that a real word), so I use spell check where available, making that many errors when you are voice tracked, when you can check yourself, and correct It??

Hey I am sounding Mike and Mike in the morning "beating a dead horse to death" which they due with superior results, thats why I don't listen to them anymore...so onward, to better things.
 
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